MM calling plays worries me for this reason

[quickccc]

McCarthy was already a bad in game manager when he didn’t have the responsibilities of calling plays. Our time management was always poor we rarely challenged calls...

I really hope we have someone on the staff that’s in charge of clock management cause MM couldn’t do it when that was one of his only few responsibilities on gameday.

- Huge key is getting him a very reliable OC, that can translate his offense in game on the playing field. Game plan well pre-game, as well as what McCarthy wants to do
in-game , ala making adjustments on the fly.

- Mcarthy may say " let's get package- 12 Liberty attacking their Coverage 2 shell coverage on this drive, " and the OC knows exactly what X's and O's to bring up
for MCCarthy's likings and call them out ..

- Eric Bienemy calls those X's and O's and packages thru Andy Reid ... ditto when Pete McMichael was OC for Sean Payton in Saints land.

- McCarthy will have it tougher without a premium HOF QB at hand as he had in GB with Rodgers, ... Payton had with Brees,... and what Reid is enjoying now with Mahomes
Currently he seems to be dealing with a Donovan McNabb like QB, (without the mobility or improvisional skills of course)

 

[quickccc]

My concern would be getting away from the run game. McCarthy passed 58% of the time as a playcaller in GB. Kellen's 4 year average of run plays is >470 runs per year, a number Mike never reached in Green Bay. The most runs he ever had was 459 in 2013. That was with Scott Tolzien and Seneca Wallace starting three games. His offenses averaged ~414 rushes per year.

This year Dallas passed 556 times and ran it 531 times. Unless he's changed his philosophy, McCarthy could be even pass happier than Moore. Yeah, McCarthy talks about the run game, but it seems just talk, as you can find him talking about it in the same way when he was in Green Bay. Guess we'll wait and see. Would be hilarious if his "different philosophy," with Kellen was wanting to throw more.

Did McCarthy do so because he had Rodgers at hand .?

I tend to noticed that all "aggressive " play calllers, even the better ones, tend to abandon the run, ... Payton, Reid, .McVey....

And McVey did not even have a HOF quarterback at hand.. al Goff, Stafford .

 

[Haimerej]

Did McCarthy do so because he had Rodgers at hand .?

I tend to noticed that all "aggressive " play calllers, even the better ones, tend to abandon the run, ... Payton, Reid, .McVey....

And McVey did not even have a HOF quarterback at hand.. al Goff, Stafford .

We'll just have to wait and see. I remember a lot of people talking about how he wasn't using Grant or Jones as much as he should've.

 

[Rockport]

As long as we can remain balanced the offense should still put up empty calorie stats like it always does and people will applaud it.

You refuse to answer my question as to why you’re here. I mean you’ve given up so why?

 

[Acceptablename]

McCarthy was already a bad in game manager when he didn’t have the responsibilities of calling plays. Our time management was always poor we rarely challenged calls...

I really hope we have someone on the staff that’s in charge of clock management cause MM couldn’t do it when that was one of his only few responsibilities on gameday.

I could see Tony starting out as a quarterback coach and then moving up. You certainly quick and has a lot of really good experience through the eyes of a quarterback. But I don’t see him with any experienceWhat it takes to put together the office Department of an offense

 

[quickccc]

We'll just have to wait and see. I remember a lot of people talking about how he wasn't using Grant or Jones as much as he should've.

Ryan Grant and Aaron Jones ?

And was that the same Jones that has utterly totally brutalized us the last two times we've faced him ?

 

[conner01]

McCarthys time management issues are overblown

Besides time management and play calling is totally different. At GB they passed a bunch on early downs, something Moore rarely did. It’s easier to pass on first and 10 than 3rd and 7
I think more early passing helps any QB. My worry with MM is more about abandoning the run. He did in GB but was that because he had Rodgers?

 

[noshame]

His OL won't be able to hold like they did all his successful years in GB . In fact one of our last games our rookie T tried the "hug" technique and was immediately called for holding, they showed the replay and there it was. I would have fired Philbin at halftime.
Anyway what I'm getting at is MM is a fruad, a box of rocks, along with his cronies, Nolan, Philbin etc.
He will epic fail and Quinn will be in charge before you can spit.

 

[75boyz]

What worries me more than MMs play calling is his scrub QB executing the play.

Herein lies the problem.
QB decision making in real time.
For my 1,000th time mentioning it,
QB decision making; "It's kinda important to team success".

Doesn't matter what the play or who the playcaller is if the guy executing said play makes poor decisions in real time.

AND that's precisely what Dak does.
It doesn't matter what GM, HC, OC or personnel support we have.

DAK SUCKS AT REAL TIME DECISION MAKING WHICH IS WHY WE LOSE!

Thanks bigE.
Got that off my chest yet again, lol.

 

[blueblood70]

Herein lies the problem.
QB decision making in real time.
For my 1,000th time mentioning it,
QB decision making; "It's kinda important to team success".

Doesn't matter what the play or who the playcaller is if the guy executing said play makes poor decisions in real time.

AND that's precisely what Dak does.
It doesn't matter what GM, HC, OC or personnel support we have.

DAK SUCKS AT REAL TIME DECISION MAKING WHICH IS WHY WE LOSE!

Thanks bigE.
Got that off my chest yet again, lol.

yets Hes not and we do not lose over that

try again,

we lose when our Offense becomes one dimensional and stagnate, easy for the better defenses to read and shutdown most of what we try and do..

How about this , GIVE Dak an OL the one Rush had with a Run game rush had, and defense all season that rush had , not the facts that actually went down the last 5 games of the season and reared back up in the 9er game.

seriously,
fix the OL, get a run game, and X-QB can succeed. we saw rogers, brady, carr PLUS many other qbs etc all struggle when their offense struggled around them, we beat brady on the road the rest didn't make the playoffs...neither did many top 10 highly pad QBS

laughable, thats all dak needs as well..

you all are in denial on why we fail in many of these playoff games, we were out physicaled along the OL, run game shut down, dirty pocket, WR not getting separation or allowing themselves to be knocked off their route and have a CB beat them to spot to Intercept the ball ie zero effort, and Schultz 2 mental gaffs on a 3min drive, and an OC play calls suspect once pollard goes down 16 runs and not even use Malik at all in the 2nd half to fight for some run yards. a one-dimensional offense with an OL that was not creating a cleaner consistent pocket is going to struggle against the best Defenses in the league.

right, when Dak has an offense that even shows up and plays average around him like some type of run game, oc sticking to the run, and an OL not being knocked back a yard at the snap and literally having Dak instantly having to decide to run or get rid of it before he was ready and before the routes developed.

how about that?? so its all dak once again that disappears in big games or is it games where he also doesn't have a Run game, and OL not playing well, and skill payers making mistakes??

2016 he played well, offense was great actually, defense choked.
2018 Beat Seattle then go and have defense give up 250yards rushing, not much of a run game
2021 14 Penalties 11 by the OL played behind the chains all game, 3 by the defense that helped the 9ers further keep the ball as they already have with running the ball down the defenses throats all first half, and NO RUN GAME to speak of.


2022 Beat TB great team win, bam 9er game run game once again doisapears, skil payers makig mistakes as i mentioned and listed abovere, defnse played great but Diggs had shiot to make 2 huge oayes and does not..lose by 7.. Yes Dak INTs didnt help but that 1st one is clear Gallupo gets shoved off his route and dint make an dfefrot to come back and allowed the defnder free to go get the ball.. that is also thoring thoirug dirty pocket under pressure alot..

seriously again its dak that cant make decisions, umm not really but doesn't function well with the team falling apart around him., sure that most QBs.

NEXT!


Dak goes ats the team goes.. team game tired of this nonsense,
best thing you haters have to understand, hes playing this year and maybe next.. move on to something that actually can be changed to improve the current team...

team is already trying ie changing a lot of defensive and offensive coaches and changing the offense and hopefully get that OL shored up..it was mess down the stretch with injuries and musical chairs and against the top DLs got their azz kicked. Effect the entire offense.

 

[75boyz]

Not ONE single word of your BS changes Dak's inability to make the right decisions in real time.

Next!

 

[Haimerej]

we lose when our Offense becomes one dimensional and stagnate, easy for the better defenses to read and shutdown most of what we try and do..

Yep. When teams decide to shut down your run game, they're gambling your pass game can't take advantage. That's generally where QBs become important.

How about this , GIVE Dak an OL the one Rush had with a Run game rush had, and defense all season that rush had , not the facts that actually went down the last 5 games of the season and reared back up in the 9er game.

The 9er game? Where the defense held them to 19 points after the offense put them in bad position and gave away the ball multiple times?

How about this- the offense produce what Cooper produced in those games. Cooper scored 25 points getting only 62 yards on 29 carries against WAS. Dak scored 6 getting 64 from 27 carries against them. That's apples to apples, right? Cooper did it without Gallup or Hilton, too.

fix the OL, get a run game,

I guess a top 10 running game isn't good enough. Only the best will do for Dak. Because he's so good.

you all are in denial

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[blueblood70]

Yep. When teams decide to shut down your run game, they're gambling your pass game can't take advantage. That's generally where QBs become important.
generally where a beter OC designs better plays to get wrs open and not have them get pushed off routes and able to jump in from of a wr who doesnt make an effort to go back and break up a ball that intercepted. or route trees to get open sooner and an OL that can pass protect with a pocket that doesn't look look like a forest vs an umbrella, its where you should expect schultz to get his feet down and or not go out of bounds and get the clock stopped. it where you expect your WRs to not have good passes bounce off them and turn into INTs..

The 9er game? Where the defense held them to 19 points after the offense put them in bad position and gave away the ball multiple times?

Defense was great but still in the moments they could have made game changing plays ie Diggs he whiffs..great defenses dont do that, the 9ers showed why they were better. they made more plays when the opportunity's were there.

How about this- the offense produce what Cooper produced in those games. Cooper scored 25 points getting only 62 yards on 29 carries against WAS. Dak scored 6 getting 64 from 27 carries against them. That's apples to apples, right? Cooper did it without Gallup or Hilton, too.
Rush is not better than dak, wont even debate it,. the defense, sts, and OL were all better during Rushes stretch, Dak wins all those games. also rush was lucky to have those 2 Ints called back.. pure and simple. His play against the rams and eagles were horrible. nearly had 7 TOs in 5 games..Dak would have scored more easily.

I guess a top 10 running game isn't good enough. Only the best will do for Dak. Because he's so good.

its not top 10 in the biggest moments in the biggest games against the best Defenses. go check those numbers.

like i sad all hate and denial.. check my avatar meme, that who dak is period. Not perfect not elite but still top 10 no matter how much haters try and call him
trash.

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[Beastsfromthenfceast]

McCarthy couldn't handle the few items on his plate before . How is he going to manage a full plate in front of him ?

 

[Beastsfromthenfceast]

Can we just hit the fast forward button to 2025 when useless Dak is history ?

 

[shabazz]

I’m more concerned with daks ability to take what the defense is giving him.

all these steps are taken because they won’t/can’t get rid of the Qb yet.

I won’t be surprised to see Kellen open up his playbook wide open ,Boise State style, now that he’s got a stud of a QB in Herbert

 

[blueblood70]

- Huge key is getting him a very reliable OC, that can translate his offense in game on the playing field. Game plan well pre-game, as well as what McCarthy wants to do
in-game , ala making adjustments on the fly.

- Mcarthy may say " let's get package- 12 Liberty attacking their Coverage 2 shell coverage on this drive, " and the OC knows exactly what X's and O's to bring up
for MCCarthy's likings and call them out ..

- Eric Bienemy calls those X's and O's and packages thru Andy Reid ... ditto when Pete McMichael was OC for Sean Payton in Saints land.

- McCarthy will have it tougher without a premium HOF QB at hand as he had in GB with Rodgers, ... Payton had with Brees,... and what Reid is enjoying now with Mahomes
Currently he seems to be dealing with a Donovan McNabb like QB, (without the mobility or improvisional skills of course)

Dak and Mcnabb are very similar about as good a comp as you can find for 2 players.

their career stats are nearly identical. dont act like Mcnabb was better in some ways as id disagree and also see reid was his coach and OC while we had garett and many OCs way below what reid has brought to the game.

 

[Bobhaze]

Playcalling itself is very often vastly overrated by many fans.

Sure it’s important, but when a play does not work, it doesn’t automatically mean it was “a bad call”. Or that the play run was even the play called. In today’s game, the QB changes the play at the los as often as 50% of the time. Sometimes there are two plays called in the huddles as relayed by the play caller and the QB looks at the defense and then calls out which of the two called will actually be run.

All that to say this: What’s more important than play calls are these two things:

• Having an excellent offensive scheme.
• Executing the play with precision as it‘s designed.

If having Big Mac calling plays improves execution it will be better. If a bunch of players miss blocks, run the wrong route, misread the defense, etc, then the actual called play doesn’t really matter that much.

 

[75boyz]

Playcalling itself is very often vastly overrated by many fans.

Sure it’s important, but when a play does not work, it doesn’t automatically mean it was “a bad call”. Or that the play run was even the play called. In today’s game, the QB changes the play at the los as often as 50% of the time. Sometimes there are two plays called in the huddles as relayed by the play caller and the QB looks at the defense and then calls out which of the two called will actually be run.

All that to say this: What’s more important than play calls are these two things:

• Having an excellent offensive scheme.
• Executing the play with precision as it‘s designed.

If having Big Mac calling plays improves execution it will be better. If a bunch of players miss blocks, run the wrong route, misread the defense, etc, then the actual called play doesn’t really matter that much.

BUT If the quarterback STILL makes bad decisions like throws picks when other options are open or not run when there's open field it does not matter the play called or playcaller.

Quarterback real time decision making is at the base of this team's failures imo.

 

[gimmesix]

My concern would be getting away from the run game. McCarthy passed 58% of the time as a playcaller in GB. Kellen's 4 year average of run plays is >470 runs per year, a number Mike never reached in Green Bay. The most runs he ever had was 459 in 2013. That was with Scott Tolzien and Seneca Wallace starting three games. His offenses averaged ~414 rushes per year.

This year Dallas passed 556 times and ran it 531 times. Unless he's changed his philosophy, McCarthy could be even pass happier than Moore. Yeah, McCarthy talks about the run game, but it seems just talk, as you can find him talking about it in the same way when he was in Green Bay. Guess we'll wait and see. Would be hilarious if his "different philosophy," with Kellen was wanting to throw more.

Could be. I'm interested in seeing if he actually did learn anything during his year off concerning his own offensive tendencies. We've seen him spend three years essentially letting someone else run the offense. I'm ready to see what he will do in charge of it.

I don't know how much of what we did under Moore had McCarthy's fingerprints on it, but the whole thing now should be his (even with Schottenheimer as the listed OC), so we'll find out for sure if he can get it done or if we need to move on.