MMA Rankings Updated

[NeOnDeioN]

Heavyweight

1. Fedor
2. Cain Velezques
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Shane Carwin
5. Junior Dos Santos
6. Overeem

Light Heavyweight

1. Shogun
2. Evans
3. Lil nog
4. Machida
5. Jon Jones
6. King mo

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Heavyweight

1. Fedor
2. Cain Velezques
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Shane Carwin
5. Junior Dos Santos
6. Overeem

Light Heavyweight

1. Shogun
2. Evans
3. Lil nog
4. Machida
5. Jon Jones
6. King mo

And you got these from where? Can you provide a link to a reputable source because you're not one.

 

[NeOnDeioN]

And you got these from where? Can you provide a link to a reputable source because you're not one.

Its a thread for everybody to rate what you think is your top rankings... if you don't agree with it tell me why someone should be higher than the other..

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Its a thread for everybody to rate what you think is your top rankings... if you don't agree with it tell me why someone should be higher than the other..

Your thread title was misleading then. You posted it with the appearance of being a thread about official updated MMA Rankings.


As far as my opinion they'd look like this:


Heavyweights:

1) Lesnar
2) Carwin
3) Cain Velezquez
4) Junior Dos Santos
5) Fedor


Fedor doesn't ever get the #1 spot on mine because he fights so sporadically and for 4 or 5 years now has fought chumps, wanna-bes, or guys well past their usefullness (like Tim Sylvia and Andrei). The guy is great, and I don't deny that, but he doesn't fight anywhere near the top guys anymore, and hasn't in a long time, so I just can't see why anyone would give him the #1 ranking knowing that.

Lesnar I don't honestly believe is the #1 HW in the world. I think Carwin will beat him and I do believe Cain has a great shot of beating him but he is the UFC Heavyweight Champion and that holds some weight for me. If some of these other organizations would stay around for more than a cup of coffee, and build their titles up, then there is a good shot he'd be further down the list behind some other champs.


LHW Division

1) Shogun
2) Machida
3) Evans
4) Jon Jones
5) Insert pretty much any name you want I suppose.



I would like to do them for the MW, WW, and LW as well but I'll admit that I don't watch very much outside of UFC and so my knowledge of fighters within those divisions outside of UFC is very limited.

Although pretty much my other two are only UFC as well but I've at least seen some of the other guys outside of the UFC on some occassions in those divisions.

 

[NeOnDeioN]

Fedor has never lost besides 1 DQ, that's the bottom line and until someone beats him he is the undisputed #... that's crazy you put a guy that got submitted by frank mir ahead of fedor... that's never lost in 30 some fights, it doesnt matter who he's fought because its the best competetion under the circumstances for him... in Pride he fought the best.

You put Machida over Lil nog which is crazy and i wont even go into why jon jones is ahead of lil nog that's just funny but that's a whole different story



luiz cane is better than 95% of the competition jones fought and nog just knocked him out couple months ago within two mins...



Btw I think if Junior Dos santos went up against fedor, fedor would lose... not shane carwin tho he would get smashed by fedor... it's about match-ups how another fighter matches up. Brock lesnar would get submitted by big nog... he will lose to carwin and Cain and Junior will be the #1, #2 for years to come.

 

[NeOnDeioN]

I would like to do them for the MW, WW, and LW as well but I'll admit that I don't watch very much outside of UFC and so my knowledge of fighters within those divisions outside of UFC is very limited.

Although pretty much my other two are only UFC as well but I've at least seen some of the other guys outside of the UFC on some occassions in those divisions.



I can tell you never watched PRIDE either which had the best fighters of all time



you must of saw someone where an affliction shirt liked it saw ufc and jumped on

 

[zrinkill]

1. Lesnar
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2. everyone else.

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[BigWillie]

Heavyweight

1.) Fedor
2.) Lesnar
3.) Velasquez
4.) Carwin
5.) JDS

Light Heavyweight

1.) Shogun
2.) Machida
3.) Evans
4.) Rampage
5.) King Mo

Middleweight

1.) Anderson
2.) Wanderlei
3.) Vitor
4.) Sonnen
5.) Henderson

*I gave thought to putting Shields in here, but I am only putting a fighter in one weight class. But 185 is weak enough to have Shields in there if I wanted him to be.

Welterweight

1.) GSP
2.) Shields
3.) Fitch
4.) Alves
5.) Kos

Lightweight

1.) Penn
2.) Melendez
3.) Maynard
4.) Florian
5.) Edgar

*I know Frankie is the champ, but fluke junk happens. BJ, when he fights as he should, is on a complete another level from anyone in this division. I was really even tempted to put Eddie Alvarez over Frankie, but I didn't only for the fact Frankie has the belt.

Featherweight

1.) Aldo
2-5.) WGAF, Aldo will kill them.

No really, it would be ..

1.) Aldo
2.) Brown
3.) Faber
4.) Manny
5.) Bibiano

And yes, I know Manny beat Mike Brown, but I want to see Manny against more competitors at 145 before I move him up too high. I feel weird even having him at #4.

Don't really know enough about the 35'ers, TBQH.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I would like to do them for the MW, WW, and LW as well but I'll admit that I don't watch very much outside of UFC and so my knowledge of fighters within those divisions outside of UFC is very limited.

Although pretty much my other two are only UFC as well but I've at least seen some of the other guys outside of the UFC on some occassions in those divisions.



I can tell you never watched PRIDE either which had the best fighters of all time



you must of saw someone where an affliction shirt liked it saw ufc and jumped on

Wow you're stupid. Just plain, flat out, ignorant and stupid.

I have seen lots of PRIDE fights, thanks for asking, it's how I knew who the hell Shogun, Rampage, Henderson, Silva, and countless others were before they got to UFC. I've seen a TON of great PRIDE fights. They had amazing fighters and amazing fights.

That said I STLL won't rank Lil Nog Top 5 in the world based on a fight 5 years ago. When Shogun first came to the UFC I was super disappointed and unimpressed by his early UFC fights. I thought he should have waited till he healed up properly and could be in shape so he didn't look like trash against Griffin and Coleman.

The Shogun who came into the UFC I wouldn't have ranked #1 in the LHW division, no matter what he did in PRIDE, cause he didn't deserve it based on his first two UFC showings. His last 3, however, now that he's back on form makes him easily the #1 guy.

But, yeah, way to have absolutely no idea of what I've seen, watched, or how I got into watching MMA and just throw stuff out there that you pulled out of your ***. Though I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from a poster like you.

Fedor has never lost besides 1 DQ, that's the bottom line and until someone beats him he is the undisputed #... that's crazy you put a guy that got submitted by frank mir ahead of fedor... that's never lost in 30 some fights, it doesnt matter who he's fought because its the best competetion under the circumstances for him... in Pride he fought the best.

You put Machida over Lil nog which is crazy and i wont even go into why jon jones is ahead of lil nog that's just funny but that's a whole different story



luiz cane is better than 95% of the competition jones fought and nog just knocked him out couple months ago within two mins...



Btw I think if Junior Dos santos went up against fedor, fedor would lose... not shane carwin tho he would get smashed by fedor... it's about match-ups how another fighter matches up. Brock lesnar would get submitted by big nog... he will lose to carwin and Cain and Junior will be the #1, #2 for years to come.

And thats fine. People can continue to rank him that highly if they please. Personally I don't like ranking someone #1 who doesn't fight anyone worth a piss for years at a time. I'm impressed by the fact that he's never lost, and I give that much respect, but I simply won't rank him #1 simply because he keeps that sparkling record by fighting second class fighters.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Heavyweight

1.) Fedor
2.) Lesnar
3.) Velasquez
4.) Carwin
5.) JDS

Light Heavyweight

1.) Shogun
2.) Machida
3.) Evans
4.) Rampage
5.) King Mo

Middleweight

1.) Anderson
2.) Wanderlei
3.) Vitor
4.) Sonnen
5.) Henderson

*I gave thought to putting Shields in here, but I am only putting a fighter in one weight class. But 185 is weak enough to have Shields in there if I wanted him to be.

Welterweight

1.) GSP
2.) Shields
3.) Fitch
4.) Alves
5.) Kos

Lightweight

1.) Penn
2.) Melendez
3.) Maynard
4.) Florian
5.) Edgar

*I know Frankie is the champ, but fluke junk happens. BJ, when he fights as he should, is on a complete another level from anyone in this division. I was really even tempted to put Eddie Alvarez over Frankie, but I didn't only for the fact Frankie has the belt.

Featherweight

1.) Aldo
2-5.) WGAF, Aldo will kill them.

No really, it would be ..

1.) Aldo
2.) Brown
3.) Faber
4.) Manny
5.) Bibiano

And yes, I know Manny beat Mike Brown, but I want to see Manny against more competitors at 145 before I move him up too high. I feel weird even having him at #4.

Don't really know enough about the 35'ers, TBQH.

I agree with you completely on Penn. When he's on, focused, and really wants to fight his best at 155 he's just a whole other level better than everyone else.

If him and Frankie ever fight again I think you'll see a totally different Penn for that fight and a totally different outcome.

 

[Ren]

Fedor shouldn't even be ranked anymore, all he does is exhibition fights. He's dodging Overheem of all people. His promoters are demanding drug tests before he agrees to the fight, that in it self is fair enough since Overheem juicing is the worst kept secret in MMA, but when they follow that up with saying he'd be happy to fight Barnett in Japan...

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Fedor shouldn't even be ranked anymore, all he does is exhibition fights. He's dodging Overheem of all people. His promoters are demanding drug tests before he agrees to the fight, that in it self is fair enough since Overheem juicing is the worst kept secret in MMA, but when they follow that up with saying he'd be happy to fight Barnett in Japan...

That's my only knock on the guy anymore is that he just fights against hand picked chumps like Rogers and stuff. I think Fedor is a great fighter, and has been for years, and he's beaten some of the best fighters in the world in the past.

The problem is that all his best stuff is now years ago cause he continues to fight second class fighters to pad his win/loss record with.

When he was in PRIDE and fighting tough fights I did think he was the best HW in the world. In fact I thought he was the best PFP fighter in the world at that time. That time simply has passed and he's done nothing in the last handful of years to make me want to see him fight or to make me believe he belongs at #1 anymore.

 

[BigWillie]

Fedor shouldn't even be ranked anymore, all he does is exhibition fights. He's dodging Overheem of all people. His promoters are demanding drug tests before he agrees to the fight, that in it self is fair enough since Overheem juicing is the worst kept secret in MMA, but when they follow that up with saying he'd be happy to fight Barnett in Japan...

The only thing is, who do you put over him if you want to talk about the quality of opponents?

Lesnar? He has 5 career wins, two of which are over Frank Mir, one over Min Soo Kim, another over a 45 year old 220lbs Randy Couture, and journeyman Heath Herring. Not exactly a terrifying lists of fighters.

Carwin? Devastating wins over Mir and Gonzaga in his last two fights. Outside of that, nobody.

Velasquez? Big Nog, Kongo and Rothwell.

JDS? Werdum, Crocop, Gonzaga, Yvel.

Honestly, the most impressive win list of that bunch is Velasquez, if we want to compare opponents.

But it is tough to argue that Fedor is fighting any less of fighters than the guys trying to take his spot atop the HW rankings. Arlovski, Sylvia and Rogers isn't murderers row of fighters, but it is no less than any other guys.

And honestly, if we want to compare talent, performance, and quality of opponent - the only arguable fighter you could put up there right now is Cain.

But as Ric Flair said, "TO BE THE MAN, YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN .."

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[Ren]

That's my only knock on the guy anymore is that he just fights against hand picked chumps like Rogers and stuff. I think Fedor is a great fighter, and has been for years, and he's beaten some of the best fighters in the world in the past.

The problem is that all his best stuff is now years ago cause he continues to fight second class fighters to pad his win/loss record with.

When he was in PRIDE and fighting tough fights I did think he was the best HW in the world. In fact I thought he was the best PFP fighter in the world at that time. That time simply has passed and he's done nothing in the last handful of years to make me want to see him fight or to make me believe he belongs at #1 anymore.

Once he loses he's no longer worth the ridiculous pay checks he gets for his fights so M1 is milking it for all it's worth. I still think he's better then pretty much every HW but that says more about the HW division then anything else, as long as all he does is show up once a year to collect his pay check he doesn't deserve to be ranked over people who actually compete.

He's doing more damage to his legacy by doing this then any loss ever would. Fedor is a legend but not for what he's doing now, all he has to do is agree to fight Overheem and a lot of the respect he's losing would stop but he's not doing that every fight he fights is carefully picked by M-1 to make sure he doesn't lose.

It has just gotten worse in the last year, a year ago he was about to fight Barnett who before he got caught juicing again was considered a top HW but since that fight went down the crapper M-1 has made no effort to get him a decent opponent even though people are damn near lining up to fight him, it shouldn't be hard for the guy to get a decent fight yet for some reason it is, it's not Strikeforce getting in the way of a Overheem/Fedor fight they actually want that fight to happen, M-1 on the other hand...

He's irrelevant unless he competes for a title, his wamma belt is completely worthless now, it will probably disappear once he loses. It's essentially the Fedor championship he gets to have for being Fedor

 

[NeOnDeioN]

The only thing is, who do you put over him if you want to talk about the quality of opponents?

Lesnar? He has 5 career wins, two of which are over Frank Mir, one over Min Soo Kim, another over a 45 year old 220lbs Randy Couture, and journeyman Heath Herring. Not exactly a terrifying lists of fighters.

Carwin? Devastating wins over Mir and Gonzaga in his last two fights. Outside of that, nobody.

Velasquez? Big Nog, Kongo and Rothwell.

JDS? Werdum, Crocop, Gonzaga, Yvel.

Honestly, the most impressive win list of that bunch is Velasquez, if we want to compare opponents.

But it is tough to argue that Fedor is fighting any less of fighters than the guys trying to take his spot atop the HW rankings. Arlovski, Sylvia and Rogers isn't murderers row of fighters, but it is no less than any other guys.

And honestly, if we want to compare talent, performance, and quality of opponent - the only arguable fighter you could put up there right now is Cain.

But as Ric Flair said, "TO BE THE MAN, YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN .."

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Exactly and Cain beat the man of the UFC in big nog and like I said in my post before I ranked them perfectly...

Junior Dos Santos and Cain are the future..

Fedor is #1 until someone takes him out and I already know who that will be..

Roger Gracie

Damn im good.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The only thing is, who do you put over him if you want to talk about the quality of opponents?

Lesnar? He has 5 career wins, two of which are over Frank Mir, one over Min Soo Kim, another over a 45 year old 220lbs Randy Couture, and journeyman Heath Herring. Not exactly a terrifying lists of fighters.

Carwin? Devastating wins over Mir and Gonzaga in his last two fights. Outside of that, nobody.

Velasquez? Big Nog, Kongo and Rothwell.

JDS? Werdum, Crocop, Gonzaga, Yvel.

Honestly, the most impressive win list of that bunch is Velasquez, if we want to compare opponents.

But it is tough to argue that Fedor is fighting any less of fighters than the guys trying to take his spot atop the HW rankings. Arlovski, Sylvia and Rogers isn't murderers row of fighters, but it is no less than any other guys.

And honestly, if we want to compare talent, performance, and quality of opponent - the only arguable fighter you could put up there right now is Cain.

But as Ric Flair said, "TO BE THE MAN, YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN .."

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This is true. He hasn't exactly fought anyone worse than these guys but the difference, to me anyway, is these guys are fighting the best that they can get their hands on at the moment. Fedor simply signs with whatever ragtag joint will have him and thus ensures that he fights nothing but cans. At least in a bigger organization there is the chance, the hope, that they'll come up with someone tougher.

For example Lesnar is about to have to fight Carwin who I think is better than any of the last 3 people that Fedor has fought.

in fact I like Mir over all 3 of the last guys that Fedor has fought. Mir has a win over Tim in fact when he broke his arm in a submission.


So I agree that none of these guys is fighting anything great, but that's just a sad indictment of the lack of talent at the HW level, but I still think that Lesnar and Carwin and Cain are fighting guys better than anyone that Fedor has fought in at least 3-4 years.

Once he loses he's no longer worth the ridiculous pay checks he gets for his fights so M1 is milking it for all it's worth. I still think he's better then pretty much every HW but that says more about the HW division then anything else, as long as all he does is show up once a year to collect his pay check he doesn't deserve to be ranked over people who actually compete.

He's doing more damage to his legacy by doing this then any loss ever would. Fedor is a legend but not for what he's doing now, all he has to do is agree to fight Overheem and a lot of the respect he's losing would stop but he's not doing that every fight he fights is carefully picked by M-1 to make sure he doesn't lose.

It has just gotten worse in the last year, a year ago he was about to fight Barnett who before he got caught juicing again was considered a top HW but since that fight went down the crapper M-1 has made no effort to get him a decent opponent even though people are damn near lining up to fight him, it shouldn't be hard for the guy to get a decent fight yet for some reason it is, it's not Strikeforce getting in the way of a Overheem/Fedor fight they actually want that fight to happen, M-1 on the other hand...

He's irrelevant unless he competes for a title, his wamma belt is completely worthless now, it will probably disappear once he loses. It's essentially the Fedor championship he gets to have for being Fedor

Agreed. Completely.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Exactly and Cain beat the man of the UFC in big nog and like I said in my post before I ranked them perfectly...

Junior Dos Santos and Cain are the future..

Fedor is #1 until someone takes him out and I already know who that will be..

Roger Gracie

Damn im good.

I agree with you on Cain. I'm super impressed by him. I do like Dos Santos as well. I think they're both top notch.

As for Gracie...when are they going to fight? Is that something that has a realistic shot of being put together? Cause it doesn't seem like the kind of fight that Fedor, or his people, would hand pick for him to fight.

 

[Ren]

The only thing is, who do you put over him if you want to talk about the quality of opponents?

I don't rate him at all

i don't think there's to many fighters better then him but the way his carer is being run he's pretty much on the outside of everything doing his own thing. He's not competing for anything he just shows up every now and then to beat up some carefully picked opponent. Strikeforce is damn near begging M-1 for a Fedor/Overheem fight and have been ever since they made the deal with M-1 yet Fedor is fighting Werdum...

I don't think to highly of Lesnar or the hype with his 5 wins but if you put Fedor over him or anyone at this point it's by default only so what's the point?

 

[BigWillie]

This is true. He hasn't exactly fought anyone worse than these guys but the difference, to me anyway, is these guys are fighting the best that they can get their hands on at the moment. Fedor simply signs with whatever ragtag joint will have him and thus ensures that he fights nothing but cans. At least in a bigger organization there is the chance, the hope, that they'll come up with someone tougher.

For example Lesnar is about to have to fight Carwin who I think is better than any of the last 3 people that Fedor has fought.

in fact I like Mir over all 3 of the last guys that Fedor has fought. Mir has a win over Tim in fact when he broke his arm in a submission.

So I agree that none of these guys is fighting anything great, but that's just a sad indictment of the lack of talent at the HW level, but I still think that Lesnar and Carwin and Cain are fighting guys better than anyone that Fedor has fought in at least 3-4 years.

But you are going down a slippery slope when you are willing to put someone down because he doesn't have the ability to fight what some deem top competitors, while other potentially lesser fighters do.

Until a Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez or JDS are able to win fightS (notice the capitalized S) over multiple quality opponents, the point in arguing that Fedor fights lesser handpicked opponents is really moot.

But you are right in saying the HW division is so messed up right now. So many fighters who could be on top of this porous division (i.e., Mir, Nog) but cannot string together wins at this point.

Right now, the division is relying on the potential of 3 fighters, who if they don't deliver, will decimate that division completely.

And to thing, just 4-5 years ago (when PRIDE was kickin'), the HW division was the place to be if you wanted the huge marquee fight. Now, they are hoping to pull off good fights each time they trot a couple of fighters out.

Do not get the Mir love either - especially over any of those other guys. Mir, historically, will be a fighter who had a crap ton of hype, lost it, and nevr really gained it back. Sure he won the belt again, but when your legacy consists of beating Lesnar in his 2nd career fight, a win over a guy battling staph in Nog, and a win over Kongo - it isn't exactly a great career.

Mir, really, he has beaten very little competition in his entire career, as sad as it is to say.

I don't rate him at all

i don't think there's to many fighters better then him but the way his carer is being run he's pretty much on the outside of everything doing his own thing. He's not competing for anything he just shows up every now and then to beat up some carefully picked opponent. Strikeforce is damn near begging M-1 for a Fedor/Overheem fight and have been ever since they made the deal with M-1 yet Fedor is fighting Werdum...

I don't think to highly of Lesnar or the hype with his 5 wins but if you put Fedor over him or anyone at this point it's by default only so what's the point?

Mafia .. errr .. shady characters have always had a hand in all of Fedor's affairs. You can go back to '03 when the Japanese mafia nearly lost their minds when Fedor decided to replace CroCop at a Bom-ba-ye show. The Japanse mafia tried to squeeze the promoter of that show for tons of money for Fedor, but the matter was ultimately turned over to the police.

Plus Fedor's brother Aleksander has always had ties with the Russian mob, so the business of shady dealing isn't something that just began to happen with Fedor.

That isn't excusing anything either, but it shouldn't change peoples thoughts of Fedor. You fight who you fight, and let the critics decide how your performances change anything. And so far, Fedor's in-ring performance has changed nothing, IMO.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

But you are going down a slippery slope when you are willing to put someone down because he doesn't have the ability to fight what some deem top competitors, while other potentially lesser fighters do.

Until a Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez or JDS are able to win fightS (notice the capitalized S) over multiple quality opponents, the point in arguing that Fedor fights lesser handpicked opponents is really moot.

But you are right in saying the HW division is so messed up right now. So many fighters who could be on top of this porous division (i.e., Mir, Nog) but cannot string together wins at this point.

Right now, the division is relying on the potential of 3 fighters, who if they don't deliver, will decimate that division completely.

And to thing, just 4-5 years ago (when PRIDE was kickin'), the HW division was the place to be if you wanted the huge marquee fight. Now, they are hoping to pull off good fights each time they trot a couple of fighters out.

Do not get the Mir love either - especially over any of those other guys. Mir, historically, will be a fighter who had a crap ton of hype, lost it, and nevr really gained it back. Sure he won the belt again, but when your legacy consists of beating Lesnar in his 2nd career fight, a win over a guy battling staph in Nog, and a win over Kongo - it isn't exactly a great career.

Mir, really, he has beaten very little competition in his entire career, as sad as it is to say.



Mafia .. errr .. shady characters have always had a hand in all of Fedor's affairs. You can go back to '03 when the Japanese mafia nearly lost their minds when Fedor decided to replace CroCop at a Bom-ba-ye show. The Japanse mafia tried to squeeze the promoter of that show for tons of money for Fedor, but the matter was ultimately turned over to the police.

Plus Fedor's brother Aleksander has always had ties with the Russian mob, so the business of shady dealing isn't something that just began to happen with Fedor.

That isn't excusing anything either, but it shouldn't change peoples thoughts of Fedor. You fight who you fight, and let the critics decide how your performances change anything. And so far, Fedor's in-ring performance has changed nothing, IMO.

That is the one thing where I really just totally disagree with you.

He does have the ability to get those fights. In fact he probably has more ability to get those fights then anyone else in the entire MMA business. The problem is that he, and the folks he has around him, choose to continue to go to nothing companies, since PRIDE closed, so that they can have the deals they want and so that they can handpick the opponents they want him to face.

He's not missing out on better competition because he has no choice. He's missing out on the guys that are considered better competition cause they're avoiding them. Rather that's him, or the guys who manage him, doesn't matter to me. They're keeping him, more often than not now days, from fighting the tougher competition out there in order to milk that #1 ranking without him actually having to break a sweat to continue to prove he's the #1 fighter in the world.