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[Rampage]

Shogun gives his opinion at the 2:27 mark

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[BigWillie]

That is the one thing where I really just totally disagree with you.

He does have the ability to get those fights. In fact he probably has more ability to get those fights then anyone else in the entire MMA business. The problem is that he, and the folks he has around him, choose to continue to go to nothing companies, since PRIDE closed, so that they can have the deals they want and so that they can handpick the opponents they want him to face.

He's not missing out on better competition because he has no choice. He's missing out on the guys that are considered better competition cause they're avoiding them. Rather that's him, or the guys who manage him, doesn't matter to me. They're keeping him, more often than not now days, from fighting the tougher competition out there in order to milk that #1 ranking without him actually having to break a sweat to continue to prove he's the #1 fighter in the world.

But why is that completely on Fedor to comply to what the UFC wants? In fact, how is one to believe that the blame solely falls on Fedor? Sure, we have heard the Iole stories, but as we all have seen, if you don't fall in line with Dana and the UFC, you get kicked to the back of the bus. Loretta Hunt says hi.

Further, it doesn't change my point. You are willing to move a fighter up just for the reason he has the mere opportunity to fight someone with a UFC label. You downgrade Fedor for the mere reason he doesn't have that opportunity. Nothing in-ring related, just for semantics, essentially.

That is unfair to a fighter, especially one who has proven as much as Fedor has in his career. To this day, no one in the HW division can or has matched what he has accomplished. Instead, people have gotten blinded by the fact he doesn't cave to Dana and the UFC, so the easy thing to do is knock him down a bit.

But in reality, the arguments they make against him are really pointless.

As I said before - take his spot. But show me someone who has rightfully earned it. Do not show me someone with the potential to do it.

 

[CATCH17]

Lesnar will lose to Carwin. He has just been out of the cage for too long.

 

[Ren]

But why is that completely on Fedor to comply to what the UFC wants? In fact, how is one to believe that the blame solely falls on Fedor? Sure, we have heard the Iole stories, but as we all have seen, if you don't fall in line with Dana and the UFC, you get kicked to the back of the bus. Loretta Hunt says hi.

Further, it doesn't change my point. You are willing to move a fighter up just for the reason he has the mere opportunity to fight someone with a UFC label. You downgrade Fedor for the mere reason he doesn't have that opportunity. Nothing in-ring related, just for semantics, essentially.

That is unfair to a fighter, especially one who has proven as much as Fedor has in his career. To this day, no one in the HW division can or has matched what he has accomplished. Instead, people have gotten blinded by the fact he doesn't cave to Dana and the UFC, so the easy thing to do is knock him down a bit.

But in reality, the arguments they make against him are really pointless.

As I said before - take his spot. But show me someone who has rightfully earned it. Do not show me someone with the potential to do it.

He could have taken the Overheem fight, that would at least show he was interested in fighting the best challengers available to him

 

[Rampage]

He could have taken the Overheem fight, that would at least show he was interested in fighting the best challengers available to him

he plans to after he whoops Werdum

 

[TellerMorrow34]

But why is that completely on Fedor to comply to what the UFC wants? In fact, how is one to believe that the blame solely falls on Fedor? Sure, we have heard the Iole stories, but as we all have seen, if you don't fall in line with Dana and the UFC, you get kicked to the back of the bus. Loretta Hunt says hi.

Further, it doesn't change my point. You are willing to move a fighter up just for the reason he has the mere opportunity to fight someone with a UFC label. You downgrade Fedor for the mere reason he doesn't have that opportunity. Nothing in-ring related, just for semantics, essentially.

That is unfair to a fighter, especially one who has proven as much as Fedor has in his career. To this day, no one in the HW division can or has matched what he has accomplished. Instead, people have gotten blinded by the fact he doesn't cave to Dana and the UFC, so the easy thing to do is knock him down a bit.

But in reality, the arguments they make against him are really pointless.

As I said before - take his spot. But show me someone who has rightfully earned it. Do not show me someone with the potential to do it.

Actually wrong again. But thanks.

It doesn't have to be a UFC fighter. It never has. But if he's going to continue to go to scrub companies then I'd rather see him fight the toughest guys there rather than having cherry picked bums like Rogers and such.

Now instead of Overheem he's fighting Werdum. No offense to Werdum but who cares?

And the reasoning for not fighting Overheem, if its indeed what I've heard reported that it's because he wants him tested for roids, is just pathetic.

He was willing to take on Barnett without such demands, and has even said he'd still take him on, but he won't Overheem?

There is always something with Fedor and his people. Always. So, yeah, call me crazy but I do believe that the vast majority of the fault falls on him and his people and the demands they make for various things.

Lesnar will lose to Carwin. He has just been out of the cage for too long.

That and the fact that I believe Carwin is just flat better. I think he's probably just as strong a Brock, maybe slightly less talented on the ground, but he's got far superior stand up, IMO, and clearly has more power as evidence by his fights.

I think Brock is in for a lot of trouble with Carwin.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

he plans to after he whoops Werdum

And reportedly after Overheem and his people agree to drug testing for roids.

 

[NeOnDeioN]

let strikeforce put Roger Gracie against Fedor so he can snap his arm, let him fight a guy that he's never fought before, Fedor has never fought a guy that has BJJ like Roger.. even when he fought nog.. nog has great bjj but no where near Rogers, I'd like to see fedor try and escape one of rogers triangles

 

[Ren]

let strikeforce put Roger Gracie against Fedor so he can snap his arm, let him fight a guy that he's never fought before, Fedor has never fought a guy that has BJJ like Roger.. even when he fought nog.. nog has great bjj but no where near Rogers, I'd like to see fedor try and escape one of rogers triangles

Strikeforce doesn't pick his opponents, M-1 does, that's the problem.
If it was up to Strikeforce he'd be fighting Overheem this month not Werdum

 

[Rampage]

And reportedly after Overheem and his people agree to drug testing for roids.

the last time Fedor was gonna fight a dude with suspicion(sp) regarding steroids(Josh Barnett) the fight got canceled and the company shut down.

and lol at Roger Gracie vs Fedor.

 

[Jon88]

1. Lesnar
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Agreed. Fedor could not handle Lesnar. I don't care what anyone says.

 

[Jon88]

the last time Fedor was gonna fight a dude with suspicion(sp) regarding steroids(Josh Barnett) the fight got canceled and the company shut down.

and lol at Roger Gracie vs Fedor.

Fedor needs just join a real company and face real competition.

He only beats up on scrubs now. Wow. Impressive.

 

[NeOnDeioN]

Fedor needs just join a real company and face real competition.

He only beats up on scrubs now. Wow. Impressive.

lol at Roger vs Fedor why? Rogers stand up is improving and he is definetly up to par as far as that goes.. his defense is great and he has the best BJJ in the world.. what do you mean lol @ that? let Fedor throw a strike on the ground and see how Roger snaps his arm.

 

[Jon88]

lol at Roger vs Fedor why? Rogers stand up is improving and he is definetly up to par as far as that goes.. his defense is great and he has the best BJJ in the world.. what do you mean lol @ that? let Fedor throw a strike on the ground and see how Roger snaps his arm.

I'm lost.

 

[NeOnDeioN]

Originally Posted by Rampage
the last time Fedor was gonna fight a dude with suspicion(sp) regarding steroids(Josh Barnett) the fight got canceled and the company shut down.

and lol at Roger Gracie vs Fedor.








ment to reply to Rampage sorry

 

[Rampage]

Roger has 3 pro fights and his best win was against a gun-shy Randleman who hasn't been any good since 2003/2004. so impressive......... Fedor would smash Roger, not to mention doesn't Roger fights at lhw?

 

[NeOnDeioN]

He's usually listed around 230 but he lost some weight recently he fought heavyweights i would say Yuki Kondo was a better win than randleman.. and ron waterman fights heavyweight he wouldnt have any problem packing on some weight for the fight, the class he's in bjj wise is world class, if fedor didn't come out blasting him and if roger holds a good chin, in enough time to grab an arm or get his back fedor would not be able to escape him.

 

[Rampage]

He's usually listed around 230 but he lost some weight recently he fought heavyweights i would say Yuki Kondo was a better win than randleman.. and ron waterman fights heavyweight he wouldnt have any problem packing on some weight for the fight, the class he's in bjj wise is world class, if fedor didn't come out blasting him and if roger holds a good chin, in enough time to grab an arm or get his back fedor would not be able to escape him.

I doubt Fedor would let it go to the ground. Roger would get tooled standing up vs Fedor imo, I mean he's a Gracie after all

 

[NeOnDeioN]

He's the best Gracie since Rolls Gracie Sr. that died in a hang glyding accident when he was 30, who beat Rickson numerous times.. Roger has skills that no other gracie has right now, his potential is out of this world, give him a couple more fights under his belt put him against king mo i bet he'd smash him, then let him pack on weight and fight fedor

 

[neosapien23]

I doubt Fedor would let it go to the ground. Roger would get tooled standing up vs Fedor imo, I mean he's a Gracie after all

The Gracies are extremely overrated. I know Royce was alot older than Matt Hughes when they fought, but I would expect the same senario to play out even if they were the same age. I think the MMA game has changed so much were being great in one skill set is no longer enough. The fighters that are champions right now are well rounded in BJJ, striking, and even wrestling.