MMQB - Dallas Draft: Looking Back

[Prossman]

Many people in the draft section questioned his leadership

I liked cook until I saw him vs Alabama . I realise the pressure was high but he caved like a card house. No fight in him at all

 

[yimyammer]

"Farther down, on one side of the card, a box with six grades in small print: one assigned by the scouting director, two by scouts, one by the head coach, one by the offensive coordinator and one by the quarterbacks coach.

In large type next to the name: "1.44."

That was the team grade for the player, and it was the reason the card was placed in the middle of the fourth round.

According to Jones, Linehan was "on the table" for the Cowboys to draft Prescott. Linehan had him rated with the top quarterbacks in the draft, Wentz and Goff, and he pushed for the team to rate him higher than it did. Linehan studied the Mississippi State offense as well as the quarterback. His impression was that Prescott was making more whole-field reads than most spread quarterbacks."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2672393-why-everyone-missed-on-dak-prescott

Excellant, thank you.

Linehan's stock just went through the roof in my worthless eyes

 

[yimyammer]

sounds like Dak though?

I'm about as clueless as they come when it comes to evaluating talent, so I'm not saying he doesn't have talent but I did go to Tech so I just don't trust their offense to prepare a QB for the rigors of the NFL. Playing in the Big 12 for Tech for 2 years is nothing like starting for Miss St in the SEC for 4 years.

So, while I am no talent scout, I'll go on a limb and bet this guy will need a few years to learn how to be an NFL QB and should be viewed as a developmental player at best but in the right circumstances he might turn into a great QB. I just don't believe he can come out of the chute running and its going to take him some time.

 

[waldoputty]

I'm about as clueless as they come when it comes to evaluating talent, so I'm not saying he doesn't have talent but I did go to Tech so I just don't trust their offense to prepare a QB for the rigors of the NFL. Playing in the Big 12 for Tech for 2 years is nothing like starting for Miss St in the SEC for 4 years.

So, while I am no talent scout, I'll go on a limb and bet this guy will need a few years to learn how to be an NFL QB and should be viewed as a developmental player at best but in the right circumstances he might turn into a great QB. I just don't believe he can come out of the chute running and its going to take him some time.

actually i am probably more clueless than you.
i am just curious after Dak provided a proof of principle that run option QBs may deserve attention.
his throwing motion does seem a little different to me in the one video i watched...

 

[DandyDon1722]

Limiting your opponent's possessions works as long as you outscore them on each possession. Against playoff teams, this strategy puts a lot of pressure a) on your defense to play over their heads, or b) on your offense to finish every drive with a score.

The strategy backfired on us in Green Bay in 2014 because we didn't do either. Even though we outrushed them and won the TOP battle, they outscored us on each possession.

As you always say - It's all about Points Per Drive - right?

 

[yimyammer]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2672393-why-everyone-missed-on-dak-prescott

Just want to say thanks again for the link, I cant believe I never saw it before, this is a really great article.

I highly recommend it if you haven't read it.

 

[yimyammer]

actually i am probably more clueless than you.
i am just curious after Dak provided a proof of principle that run option QBs may deserve attention.
his throwing motion does seem a little different to me in the one video i watched...

Could be, I'm probably just jaded from being a tech fan and dont trust that system to prep a QB to play in the NFL like Miss St did for Dak.

 

[percyhoward]

Excellant, thank you.

Linehan's stock just went through the roof in my worthless eyes

It's interesting to speculate how they came up with the 1.44 grade from among those six people. According to Al Michaels, Linehan and Wilson loved Prescott, and Garrett liked Prescott. McClay has not been mentioned at all.

Garrett 2 (x2)
Linehan 3 (x2)
Wilson 3
McClay 0 (x2)
scout 0
scout 0

Garrett 1 (x2)
Linehan 2 (x2)
Wilson 2
McClay 1 (x2)
scout 2
scout 1

Pure speculation, of course, but they both come out to a 1.44 grade.

 

[Risen Star]

First, remember why the Cowboys picked Elliott. They loved the running back from Ohio State, and they didn’t love a single defensive player in the draft.

This should make Jaylon Smith, Maliek Collins, Charles Tapper, Anthony Brown and Kavon Frazier feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What's so great about Ramsey? Jags defense has not improved and he has no picks that I'm aware of. Do you know how many PB he has had?

Better question, how many picks, tackles, sacks, and PB does he need to warrant taking at #4

According to PFF, he has 2.5 yards allowed per target, which is a more insightful stat than interceptions.

Interceptions are often faulty to look at because it depends on scheme and opportunity. Antonio Cromartie had 10 INT"s in his second year, but got them because he was targeted because he would beat a lot.





YR

 

[yimyammer]

It's interesting to speculate how they came up with the 1.44 grade from among those six people. According to Al Michaels, Linehan and Wilson loved Prescott, and Garrett liked Prescott. McClay has not been mentioned at all.

Garrett 2 (x2)
Linehan 3 (x2)
Wilson 3
McClay 0 (x2)
scout 0
scout 0

Garrett 1 (x2)
Linehan 2 (x2)
Wilson 2
McClay 1 (x2)
scout 2
scout 1

Pure speculation, of course, but they both come out to a 1.44 grade.

I saw that 1.44 grade and couldn't make any sense out of the number or the math behind how they arrive at 1.44, do you understand it?

 

[Melonfeud]

It's funny .. I see none of these so-called experts calling themselves out for all of the negative things they said about Prescott after the draft, yet they love to make other people look bad even when the situation never happened.

I just perused a fox sports article written by a complete moron by the name of: Chris Chase(think that was his name) it was written back in may of this year(again,IIRC) and he was TOTALLY ripping Jerry Jones/DALLAS on the stupidity of blowing the #4 draft pick on an offensive player,most notably a running back at that, CUZ' only in Jerry's world would that strengthen his defense,it was titled " how the DALLAS COWBOYS had the worst draft of 2016",,,or something similar to that,,,( I've been lurking in a bunch of the comments section of articles lately, what a hoot!)

 

[ConstantReboot]

I am so grateful for Oakland for jumping us and drafting Cook,he is not a Leader and not a good QB .We would not be 9-1 him,he is not a clutch player.

Actually Im shocked that the Cowboys would be willing to take him at that spot. From all reports his not that good of a QB to begin with.

 

[AsthmaField]

Many people in the draft section questioned his leadership.

I did, for sure. Didn't like Cook at all.

Of course, I was a Dak fan so I wanted him in the mid rounds... but didn't want Cook at all At. All.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I'll admit it, I HATED this draft. I really liked what I saw out of Ramsey. I've watched him this year and he's already very good. I thought we needed a secondary given how awful our DB's where last year (sans Byron). The DB's have turned it around, but we are missing Church and Mo right now.

I was also very big into Paxton Lynch, who I think is going to be very good. I did like Dak and liked him as a 4th round pick, but at the time...when you have a chance to get a QB like Lynch, I thought you take it. I didn't think Romo was going to last next season.

I liked EE, I just didn't like him at #4 overall at the time. He's much more explosive than I thought he was and while I thought he was a well coached RB, he's so far ahead of the curve it's ridiculous to watch. I will say this, if you really believe that a RB is a future HoF'er, there's nothing wrong with taking him at #4 overall. It's just that you better make sure that the RB is rated that well because you can get really good RB's later on. EE was the highest graded RB out of college they ever had, so I commend them for making that decision.

I liked the Collins pick in the 3rd round. I was skeptical about the Brown pick, but did feel he could play special teams. Now I watch Brown and I'm stunned he wasn't drafted much higher. Great speed, great tackler and plays zone well and is very capable in man coverage.

I hated the Gathers pick because everybody forgets that Antonio Gates was an all-state HS football player in Michigan. Gathers has no real football experience whatsoever. But, they proved me wrong with this draft so far, so I've come around on Gathers. Although I think he might be better suited as an offensive tackle.

I did like the Frazier and Jackson picks. Frazier hasn't done much, but I liked what I saw out of Jackson in preseason. He's just a little lost on the depth chart.

So, we have Dak and EE. Dak has a Brady quality in him in that he doesn't make bad decisions, but doesn't exactly wow you other than making it look fairly easy. And EE reminds me of a cross between Emmitt and Roger Craig. Combine that with Collins being a solid looking player, Brown potentially being a Pro Bowl corner, Frazier being a Barry Church but with speed, Jackson being a Michael Bush type and then if Jaylon Smith can play and Gathers lives up to his potential, this could be the best draft in the team's history.




YR

Brown just did not have great speed - he was the fasted DB in this years draft. Thus the Cowboys were shocked that he was still on the board when they selected him.

 

[waving monkey]

Jury is still out on both Collins, Smith, and Tapper. Brown I think you can book as a success considering what he cost.

Collins is showing a lot for a rookie and so is Brown. Brown could very well start sometime next year

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

"Cleveland took picks 114 and 154 from Oakland, and the Raiders jumped Dallas and picked Cook. Dallas people were shocked. Why Oakland? Oakland had a star quarterback of the future, Derek Carr; this made no sense."

Oakland did that because they're smart. I mean, I have no idea about the player, but if you believe in the talent at the price, you take him, no matter what your current situation at the position is. The Patriots are always drafting QBs. The Vikings thought they had the position covered and found themselves scrambling this season. We had the same thing happen last season. If it's true that "Dallas people were shocked," I'm a little concerned.

I think it's silly. Patriots are great but it's not because they waste money or draft picks on a quarterback. Raiders doing it was stupid as well. I'm not wasting a fourth rounder on a quarterback when I have a young quarterback already. Raiders could've used that fourth rounder on personnel.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Brown just did not have great speed - he was the fasted DB in this years draft. Thus the Cowboys were shocked that he was still on the board when they selected him.

In a passing league I'm still curious how a guy like Brown falls that low. Cowboys even say they had a 3rd round grade....talk about great value. This draft was surreal and we don't even know what Tapper and Jaylan can be yet.

 

[percyhoward]

I saw that 1.44 grade and couldn't make any sense out of the number or the math behind how they arrive at 1.44, do you understand it?

We know there were six grades that averaged to 1.44, and that Linehan's (and probably Wilson's) grades for Dak were higher than most or all of the others. I don't think it's a coincidence that the 1.44 is 13 points divided by 9 grades. The way to turn 6 grades into 9 is to count 3 of them twice. If I were going to give more weight to 3 of the opinions, it would be those of the head coach, head scout, and OC.

Garrett 1 (x 2) = 2
Linehan 2 (x 2) = 4
Wilson 2 = 2
McClay 1 (x 2) = 2
scout 2 = 2
scout 1 = 1
total = 13 ÷ 9 = 1.44

Again, just a guess.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It's funny .. I see none of these so-called experts calling themselves out for all of the negative things they said about Prescott after the draft, yet they love to make other people look bad even when the situation never happened.

1000%

But we aren't allowed to do "call-out" threads apparently....