MM's Packer offense ranked top ten, in 9 of his 13 seasons

[jazzcat22]

I'm more questioning if MM called the plays or McCarthy.

In MM's first season in GN the offense ranked 22nd; Philbin came aboard the next season and for Philbin's tenure the offense ranked 4,5,3,10,1.

Just wondering if it was MM or Philibin that aided the offense more.

Combination of both? However it did work with Moore as to a lot of stats, but did not produce in the playoffs. It really didn't in GB after the one SB they won. Was Philbin there when they won the SB?
Just won divisions and got tot the NFCCG a few more times.
A change was needed, now we will see if it was for the better or not. Also depends on any player moves to get better of course.

 

[blueblood70]

Since he's taking over the offense and bringing his system, I thought would be interesting to see the rankings during his tenure with the Packers. This only gives points and yards but not bad.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/index.htm#

all that said and nice but different players different era but bigger new we got rid of OC that had us ranked top 5 since hes been here some years close to #1 in many category's.. was it the players or the play calls?

 

[Runwildboys]

Keep in mind, CV19 kinda threw his first year (2020) off so 2021 was the first full year working with KM. So 2022 he had seen enough.....

When I first read this, I was thinking, "Who the Hell is CV#19?"

 

[jazzcat22]

remember reading MM was refusing to help KM when he was floundering. I've never seen a HC do that to one of his leaders esp one who is asking for help. When someone will risk a whole teams success for his own gain hes not really a leader.
Because I managed people that always stuck with me as a major problem. That and the final year at GB with his hatred of Rodgers

That was some reporter writing that from some misinterpreted answer if not made up.
I don't recall anything ever coming out to prove that.
If Moore needed help, then I believe he would help him.

 

[USArmyVet]

Combination of both? However it did work with Moore as to a lot of stats, but did not produce in the playoffs. It really didn't in GB after the one SB they won. Was Philbin there when they won the SB?
Just won divisions and got tot the NFCCG a few more times.
A change was needed, now we will see if it was for the better or not. Also depends on any player moves to get better of course.

The SB victory in 2010 saw Philbin as the OC, yes.

Also, my argument would be that you referenced something similar that another referenced when pointing to a change needed at OC:

However it did work with Moore as to a lot of stats, but did not produce in the playoffs.

That very same statement can applied to Dak as well so here JJ & dumb son are saying they want Dak for another 10 years while he has put up regular season stats yet has failed in the playoffs.....and has been the starting QB for 7 seasons whereas Moore was the OC for 4 seasons.

 

[Flamma]

Since he's taking over the offense and bringing his system, I thought would be interesting to see the rankings during his tenure with the Packers. This only gives points and yards but not bad.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/index.htm#

To me this is all horse crap. Is fat Mike some play calling genius? I'd rather the QB call the plays. I would agree in certain circumstances a coach would step in, but for the most part, I think the QB can handle it.

 

[jazzcat22]

The SB victory in 2010 saw Philbin as the OC, yes.

Also, my argument would be that you referenced something similar that another referenced when pointing to a change needed at OC:



That very same statement can applied to Dak as well so here JJ & dumb son are saying they want Dak for another 10 years while he has put up regular season stats yet has failed in the playoffs.....and has been the starting QB for 7 seasons whereas Moore was the OC for 4 seasons.

Oh, yeah, need that change at QB also, but it won't happen in the next few years. However, if they do that 10 year extension. Jerry may be looking at a lot of empty seats.
I am ready for a new QB after this last Dak season, and that SF game. But we are stuck, so will still root for him as a team, but I will not defend him. (still working on not doing that, I did it mostly to be a contrarian anyway).

However the issue with that, 80% of the stadium is on PSL's, so he gets those seats sold anyway.
So are fans willing to give up their investment (which is a horrible one at this point). So many will need to give up, let the team take back over those seats, and resale the PSL or to the public. Or fans sell their tickets and possibly opposing fans buy them. Then Jerry sees them the over the stadium. Doubt it happens that way though.

The coaching staff will be gone before Dak is gone. And that is sad to think.

 

[Sydla]

I get it but we would be remiss to not mention he also had a Hall of Fame QB for much of that period. That kinda helps.

 

[fredp22]

That was some reporter writing that from some misinterpreted answer if not made up.
I don't recall anything ever coming out to prove that.
If Moore needed help, then I believe he would help him.

Ill go search for the story again but 1) Stephen just said the 2 didnt get along and 2) MM has done this before in GB with Rodgers. If he doesnt get his way he will risk the success of the team to try to prove his point.
I'm more of "if theres smoke" than "prove it" here because its happened before. MM has never denied the story that he refused to help KM when he was floundering and asked

 

[jazzcat22]

Ill go search for the story again but 1) Stephen just said the 2 didnt get along and 2) MM has done this before in GB with Rodgers. If he doesnt get his way he will risk the success of the team to try to prove his point.
I'm more of "if theres smoke" than "prove it" here because its happened before. MM has never denied the story that he refused to help KM when he was floundering and asked

Does it matter if he confirms or denies it?
There will still be many opinions as to what really happened.

To me, I don't really care. this type of offense and play calling was stale. We had it for what, 15 years between 3 different OC's and a HC.

Maybe MM keeps the base offense still, but all teams have that base offense, it is football 101. But a fresh approach to play calling was needed. It worked far better in GB with MM than with any of those other 3 guys here.
I am thrilled for the change. Even though I want a younger more innovative concept like SF has, or the Rams SB year. We will just have to see how it works out.

 

[GINeric]

Which of those seasons did he not have Aaron Rodgers? And what were The Packers’ offensive ranks in the 2 13 win seasons after he left?

Well in all fairness.... Rodgers is said to be the second best quarterback in history, but has only won one Superbowl..... and that was with MM. He hasn't won another without MM. IJS

 

[Cowboyny]

Dak's strength is running? Cool. We know it is not passing.
Eagles? CMon man. Dak was a miracle fumble recovery away from losing to the stache.

Dak's had an incredible game against the Eagles, not his fault Defense struggled that day.

 

[Reid1boys]

Since he's taking over the offense and bringing his system, I thought would be interesting to see the rankings during his tenure with the Packers. This only gives points and yards but not bad.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/index.htm#

and in those 13 years, how many of those years did he have a QB that would have been considered out of the top 10 qbs in the game? Now if he had a Geno playing qb for him and STILL finished in the top 10, that would be something worth talking about.

Having An A. Rodgers in his prime years and being in top 10??? uhm, you better be.

 

[lukemartin79]

Are we sure about that? If that was the case then why then would MM allow Moore to call plays when Mike came on board instead of having a bigger influence on the playcalling?

MM didn't allow it, Jerry told him Moore was going to be calling plays, lol. He had Moore forced on him the same way Wade Phillips had Garrett forced on him. Exact same thing. That was Jerry's deal if they wanted to be HC. Take it or leave it. Guess they both wanted to be HC bad enough they accepted it.