Mock Drafts

[casmith07]

So, does the release of Owens change anyone's mock draft boards? I still like Chung with our first pick. I wish we could get Sean Smith but he probably won't last that long.

Any 2nd-4th round WR prospects we could look at? Someone with sure hands and some speed? I haven't been tracking it that much this year as I have with free agency.

 

[SDogo]

So, does the release of Owens change anyone's mock draft boards? I still like Chung with our first pick. I wish we could get Sean Smith but he probably won't last that long.

Any 2nd-4th round WR prospects we could look at? Someone with sure hands and some speed? I haven't been tracking it that much this year as I have with free agency.

I think we were going to grab one in the 4th or 5th round either way

 

[jday]

I might place a little more emphasis on WR, but not much. I would hope the Cowboy's didn't make this decision with hopes of shoring up his loss through the draft, because with the 51st pick overall, it just isn't going to happen. I think Crabtree is probably the only receiver in the T.O. mold.

I would be okay with Patrick Chung, but with the loss of Tank and Canty, and my lack of faith in Hatcher and Bowen, I'm hoping the Cowboys address DE and DT early. My top choices are Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State in the 2nd Dorell Scott, Clemson in the third. The Cowboys have two 4th round picks, and both Daniel Holtzclaw, ILB, Eastern Michigan and David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame should still be available. To me, that would be a dream come true first 4 picks of the draft.

I realize the floor on Chung starts higher than David Bruton, but in terms of potential, the ceiling for Bruton is elite. He has the size, speed, and physicality to be the best Safety pick in this draft.

 

[DFWJC]

No. Unless a real value dropped into our lap. I'd still prefer to address defense with the 51st pick.

 

[silverbear]

So, does the release of Owens change anyone's mock draft boards? I still like Chung with our first pick. I wish we could get Sean Smith but he probably won't last that long.

Any 2nd-4th round WR prospects we could look at? Someone with sure hands and some speed? I haven't been tracking it that much this year as I have with free agency.

I can tell you the Cowboys have talked to Juaquin Iglesias from Oklahoma, a likely 2nd rounder, Derrick Williams from Penn State, a likely 3rd rounder, and Jarett Dillard, a 3rd or 4th round prospect... I like Dillard a lot, think he's gonna be a solid slot receiver in the pros... the guy set an NCAA record with 60 career TD catches, he knows how to find the end zone... late in the draft, they've shown an interest in LSU's Demetrius Byrd... none of them are really blazers, though...

Personal favorites include two likely 5th round prospects, Johnny Knox from Abilene Christian and Quan Cosby from Texas... Knox is just blazing fast, Cosby is another who I think will make a nice slot receiver in the NFL...

 

[DFWJC]

I can tell you the Cowboys have talked to Juaquin Iglesias from Oklahoma, a likely 2nd rounder, Derrick Williams from Penn State, a likely 3rd rounder, and Jarett Dillard, a 3rd or 4th round prospect... I like Dillard a lot, think he's gonna be a solid slot receiver in the pros... the guy set an NCAA record with 60 career TD catches, he knows how to find the end zone... late in the draft, they've shown an interest in LSU's Demetrius Byrd... none of them are really blazers, though...

Personal favorites include two likely 5th round prospects, Johnny Knox from Abilene Christian and Quan Cosby from Texas... Knox is just blazing fast, Cosby is another who I think will make a nice slot receiver in the NFL...

This is a very solid year for drafting WRs--with both quality and depth at the position.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

yeah I plan on changing my mock around.

 

[jday]

This is a very solid year for drafting WRs--with both quality and depth at the position.

I made mention of this on another thread, but keep in mind that the Cowboy's have already spent a 1st, 3rd and 5th on a receiver with acquiring Roy Williams from the Lions. That, I think is the guy they are looking to replace T.O. With considering how the Cowboy's drafted last year, one of the paramount factors in their decision making was not if the receivers available were the best overall player available but if they could actually replace any of the guys on the current roster in the top positions (e.g. Miles Austin and Crayton). I know, many of you will be eager to say that they can, but I'm not sure the Cowboy's will think that.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I made mention of this on another thread, but keep in mind that the Cowboy's have already spent a 1st, 3rd and 5th on a receiver with acquiring Roy Williams from the Lions. That, I think is the guy they are looking to replace T.O. With considering how the Cowboy's drafted last year, one of the paramount factors in their decision making was not if the receivers available were the best overall player available but if they could actually replace any of the guys on the current roster in the top positions (e.g. Miles Austin and Crayton). I know, many of you will be eager to say that they can, but I'm not sure the Cowboy's will think that.

We still need to be drafting WR IDC if we have Jerry Rice across from Irvin we still need to draft a WR.

 

[jday]

yeah I plan on changing my mock around.

Just remember, the release of T.O. did not create a need like the loss of Tank, Canty and Roy Williams (SS). Granted, his loss will be felt, but that loss will not be filled by anyone available in the draft anyway, unless the Cowboys make the mistake of trying to trade up high into the 1st round.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Just remember, the release of T.O. did not create a need like the loss of Tank, Canty and Roy Williams (SS). Granted, his loss will be felt, but that loss will not be filled by anyone available in the draft anyway, unless the Cowboys make the mistake of trying to trade up high into the 1st round.

I know we still need to draft someone so we can have insurance just in case god forbid RW goes down. TO was producing at a higher level than all of those players.....

 

[jday]

We still need to be drafting WR IDC if we have Jerry Rice across from Irvin we still need to draft a WR.

I think that would be more of want than a need, considering the real needs on the Defensive Line and in the Secondary. I mean, seriously, Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin are much better back ups than Stephen Bowen, Jason Hatcher, Keith Davis, Patrick Watkins and Courtney Brown. That's what I think the Cowboy's will be looking at. I think we have a better shot at find better replacements on defense than in our receiving core.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think that would be more of want than a need, considering the real needs on the Defensive Line and in the Secondary. I mean, seriously, Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin are much better back ups than Stephen Bowen, Jason Hatcher, Keith Davis, Patrick Watkins and Courtney Brown. That's what I think the Cowboy's will be looking at. I think we have a better shot at find better replacements on defense than in our receiving core.

We lost a legit player in TO. Canty is easily replaced so is all the other people you listed. RW will be hard pressed to find a replacement but I think WR is a bigger need that Safety.

 

[jday]

I know we still need to draft someone so we can have insurance just in case god forbid RW goes down. TO was producing at a higher level than all of those players.....

I think we are pretty much on the same page. But we aren't looking for insurance on defense, we will be looking for potential starters. I would think they would address starters before insurance.

I guess my question to you is where do you see the Cowboys picking up WR. Because if it's before the 5th round, I might take issue it. Not that it would suprise me; nothing the Cowboy's do at this point suprises me.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think we are pretty much on the same page. But we aren't looking for insurance on defense, we will be looking for potential starters. I would think they would address starters before insurance.

I guess my question to you is where do you see the Cowboys picking up WR. Because if it's before the 5th round, I might take issue it. Not that it would suprise me; nothing the Cowboy's do at this point suprises me.

I'd take a WR in the 2nd. Also the insurance is because Crayton is balls and whoever we draft should come in and be the #2. We can still get a good safety in the 3rd or 4th round that can start. I also feel that unless we have a shot at drafting Jarron Gilbert then we just don't even bother with DE.

 

[jday]

We lost a legit player in TO. Canty is easily replaced so is all the other people you listed. RW will be hard pressed to find a replacement but I think WR is a bigger need that Safety.

I think Demarcus Ware might have something to say about that. Without Canty doing his job, Ware doesn't accrue as many sacks as he did last year. It is extremely difficult to find players that are 3-4 defense ready. And since there are several teams switching to the 3-4, it's going to be even more difficult.

Do you think the Giants are idiots? That they paid way too much for a stop gap solution? No, believe me, as much as I hate to admit this, the Giants knew exactly what they were paying for. His stats might not seem like much, but 3-4 lineman rarely do have elaborate stats. They are blocker eaters, so linebackers can do their job. Considering that our LB group was considered a bright spot on our defense, you have to know that are DL were doing their job. My hope is the Cowboy's draft high to replace Tank, Canty, Roy, and Zach/Burnett, because after the 4th round, they are not going to find anyone worth the pick. WR is filled with players who could be competition, but with the Cowboy's first pick, no one will be considered adequate insurance for the "if" Roy Williams get's hurt.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think Demarcus Ware might have something to say about that. Without Canty doing his job, Ware doesn't accrue as many sacks as he did last year. It is extremely difficult to find players that are 3-4 defense ready. And since there are several teams switching to the 3-4, it's going to be even more difficult.

Do you think the Giants are idiots? That they paid way too much for a stop gap solution? No, believe me, as much as I hate to admit this, the Giants knew exactly what they were paying for. His stats might not seem like much, but 3-4 lineman rarely do have elaborate stats. They are blocker eaters, so linebackers can do their job. Considering that our LB group was considered a bright spot on our defense, you have to know that are DL were doing their job. My hope is the Cowboy's draft high to replace Tank, Canty, Roy, and Zach/Burnett, because after the 4th round, they are not going to find anyone worth the pick. WR is filled with players who could be competition, but with the Cowboy's first pick, no one will be considered adequate insurance for the "if" Roy Williams get's hurt.

Our D Line was cheeks and so was the defense last year. Ware is good because he's Ware he made every player on the line better.

 

[jday]

I'd take a WR in the 2nd. Also the insurance is because Crayton is balls and whoever we draft should come in and be the #2. We can still get a good safety in the 3rd or 4th round that can start. I also feel that unless we have a shot at drafting Jarron Gilbert then we just don't even bother with DE.

Funny you mention it, Jarron Gilbert is who I'm hoping we take in the second; so, good eye!

But, taking a WR in the 2nd, if he is not available, just seems crazy to me. I agree we can address ILB and SS in the 4th, which is where my draft board has us picking them up. But in the 3-4, you cannot have enough lineman. These guys are asked to be blocker eaters. Many times they are absorbing double teams. With the loss of Canty and Tank that leaves of with Jay, Ratliff, Marcus Spears, Jason Hatcher, Stephen Bowen, and Marcus Dixon. The last three were relief players only in 08. Without drafting some help that can contribute immediately, you are asking these guys to take on a much larger role; for me, they haven't earned that trust.

I guess, my biggest problem with not addressing our needs on the line early, is the fact that so many teams are moving to 3-4 from the 4-3. Think about it. A 4-3 defensive lineman, is typically better served as an OLB in the 3-4. See the transition of Demarcus Ware, Greg Ellis and Anthony Spencer. So, with that in mind, DL that fits the 3-4 mold are going to be hot commodities in the draft, meaning the Cowboy's need to address these deficiencies early. This also means, the of other positions will fall slightly, in particular, WR. So, I think the Cowboys could find players like Johnny Knox, Kevin Ogletree, Ramses Barden, Aaron Kelly, Mohamed Massaquoi, Tiquan Underwood, Mike Wallace, or Marko Mitchell as late as the 5th round. All of these guys could easily compete for has high as the 3rd spot on our roster, which is about the best your are going to do, even if you are picking a receiver up in the 2nd round.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Funny you mention it, Jarron Gilbert is who I'm hoping we take in the second; so, good eye!

But, taking a WR in the 2nd, if he is not available, just seems crazy to me. I agree we can address ILB and SS in the 4th, which is where my draft board has us picking them up. But in the 3-4, you cannot have enough lineman. These guys are asked to be blocker eaters. Many times they are absorbing double teams. With the loss of Canty and Tank that leaves of with Jay, Ratliff, Marcus Spears, Jason Hatcher, Stephen Bowen, and Marcus Dixon. The last three were relief players only in 08. Without drafting some help that can contribute immediately, you are asking these guys to take on a much larger role; for me, they haven't earned that trust.

I guess, my biggest problem with not addressing our needs on the line early, is the fact that so many teams are moving to 3-4 from the 4-3. Think about it. A 4-3 defensive lineman, is typically better served as an OLB in the 3-4. See the transition of Demarcus Ware, Greg Ellis and Anthony Spencer. So, with that in mind, DL that fits the 3-4 mold are going to be hot commodities in the draft, meaning the Cowboy's need to address these deficiencies early. This also means, the of other positions will fall slightly, in particular, WR. So, I think the Cowboys could find players like Johnny Knox, Kevin Ogletree, Ramses Barden, Aaron Kelly, Mohamed Massaquoi, Tiquan Underwood, Mike Wallace, or Marko Mitchell as late as the 5th round. All of these guys could easily compete for has high as the 3rd spot on our roster, which is about the best your are going to do, even if you are picking a receiver up in the 2nd round.

If our 3-4 were a 2 gap system I'd agree with you however, it's a 1-gap system. They aren't supposed to be blocker eaters like BP 3-4. IF they are even more reason not to draft them high. I've been high on GIlbert for a while now and he's been floating in and out of my mocks also.

 

[jday]

Our D Line was cheeks and so was the defense last year. Ware is good because he's Ware he made every player on the line better.

There is no question the Demarcus Ware deserves to be the highest paid defensive player in the league in my mind! With that having been said, I strongly disagree with your disacknowledgement of the DL's contribution last year.

Like I said, I wouldn't be suprised if the Cowboys went after a WR early, but I would be disappointed. Not that I know more than they do, but I think our season will suffer if we don't address shoring up the defense first. But that is just my opinion.