Mock with trade

[Bob Sacamano]

again using PFT's trade-value chart, http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/ we trade to Oakland, picks #51, #101, and #197, and move up to pick #40

2nd round, #40(v/Oakland): Northern Illinois DE Larry English - 6'2, 255

Explosive edge-rusher (36" vertical) takes over Greg Ellis' role as 3rd down pass-rushing threat, Wade Phillips re-introduced the 46 last year, and this year he can introduce the 3-3-5 to the Pro game

3rd round (v/Cleveland), #69: Florida WR Louis Murphy - 6'3" 203

Terrell Owen's clone, minus the hyper-active attitude, one of the draft's best deep threats, running a 4.32 40, along with a 1.48 10-yard dash at the Combine, and a 6.96 3-cone at his Pro Day, excels turning up field after he secures the football, flashes good hands

4th round, #117: Pittsburgh ILB Scott McKillop - 6'1" 244

Heady inside LB who moves through blocks well, very capable player in coverage who uses a mix of great instincts and athletic ability (4.39 short-shuttle, 7.00 3-cone), explosive athlete (1.59 10-yard, 35.5" vertical, 9'11" broad-jump) and a secure tackler, 2-time All-American, and Big-East player of the year in '08, eventual replacement for Keith Brooking and nickel LB as a rookie

5th round, #156: Furman OT Joel Bell - 6'7" 315

Small-school prospect with excellent height, long arms, strength, athleticism (4.57 short-shuttle), and explosion (1.69 10-yard, 30" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump), swing-tackle that is more suited to play LT than Pat McQuistan, immediately begins grooming to take over for Flozell Adams

5th round (v/Tennessee), #166: Cincinnati CB DeAngelo Smith - 5'11" 194

Versatile defender, has played CB, FS and returned kicks, shared the National lead in INTs in '07 (8), and followed it up with a solid Senior season, snaring 2 INTs and breaking up 10 passes, physical player who fits the mold of the "star" player

5th round (Compensatory), #172: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill - 6'4, 329

Naturally strong player with good explosion (1.72 10-yard, 28" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump) and 1st step quickness, athletic, started at DE as a Senior, can play all, 3 line positions in the 3-4

6th round (Compensatory), #208: Maryland C Edwin Williams - 6'2" 308

High-effort, highly intelligent C with good athleticism, leader on the field, possesses a strong-hand punch, comfortable snapping out of the shot-gun

7th round (v/Detroit), #210: BYU OG Rey Feinga - 6'4" 329

Huge, nimble OG able to move well laterally, 4-year starter, plays with a nastiness, strong hand-punch

7th round, #227: Utah CB Brice McCain - 5'9" 185

Not invited to the Combine, Brice posted a 4.33 40, 1.47 10-yard, 10'03" broad-jump and most impressively of all, a 3.99 20-yard shuttle at his Pro Day, comfortable playing in a man-cover scheme, despite not being thrown at much, he managed to break up 21 passes, and only picking off 3 passes his career, still managed to be voted 1st-team, All-MWC as a Senior

Fine

 

[RS12]

A couple things. Larry English will end up in either Miami or New England, both have multiple picks before the boys get up to pick. Also, as bad as I want a new LT, alot of sites have Joel Bell ranked towards the 7th round.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

A couple things. Larry English will end up in either Miami or New England, both have multiple picks before the boys get up to pick. Also, as bad as I want a new LT, alot of sites have Joel Bell ranked towards the 7th round.

they pick 3 times before us in my scenario (Miami w/ their 1st rounder, and New England with their 1st rounder and the Chief's 2nd rounder), and I'm gambling that they go for higher ranked OLBs (according to NFLDS) Brian Cushing, Clay Mathews, Connor Barwin, and even Clint Sintim, who NFLDS ranks 6th

NFLDS, where I'm basing my mock off has Joel rated as the 155th best player

 

[Woods]

they pick 3 times before us in my scenario (Miami w/ their 1st rounder, and New England with their 1st rounder and the Chief's 2nd rounder), and I'm gambling that they go for higher ranked OLBs (according to NFLDS) Brian Cushing, Clay Mathews, Connor Barwin, and even Clint Sintim, who NFLDS ranks 6th

NFLDS, where I'm basing my mock off has Joel rated as the 155th best player

What's your opinion on Paul Kruger?

The more I'm reading on him, I think he can play both ILB and OLB. Plus he can play with his hands down or up.

He's got really good size for ILB and OLB as well.

I'd guess his versatility is a big plus given we're thin at the LB position in terms of depth.

Finally, this guy is relentless and physical.

Not a finesse guy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What's your opinion on Paul Kruger?

The more I'm reading on him, I think he can play both ILB and OLB. Plus he can play with his hands down or up.

He's got really good size for ILB and OLB as well.

I'd guess his versatility is a big plus given we're thin at the LB position in terms of depth.

Finally, this guy is relentless and physical.

Not a finesse guy.

if we stayed put at 51, he would definitely be one of the guys I'm targeting there, he has great 1st-step quickness and can move around

and like you said, he's a relentless player

 

[jterrell]

I wouldn't trade up giving up some pretty good ammo for English.

He is a solid player but hard to compare his production at NIU with a lot of other guys.

Compared to Woodley and Greg Ellis (because he is more strong than fast) but has a history of injuries.

I'd try to sit at 51 and not give up 3 picks to move 11 spots. Paul Kruger and a few other guys(Aaron Maybin, Michael Johnson) offer similar value to English.

And I wouldn't call Murphy a T.O. clone because he doesn't have that strength or weight that T.O. carries.

Good values in many spots though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I wouldn't trade up giving up some pretty good ammo for English.

He is a solid player but hard to compare his production at NIU with a lot of other guys.

Compared to Woodley and Greg Ellis (because he is more strong than fast) but has a history of injuries.

I'd try to sit at 51 and not give up 3 picks to move 11 spots. Paul Kruger and a few other guys(Aaron Maybin, Michael Johnson) offer similar value to English.

And I wouldn't call Murphy a T.O. clone because he doesn't have that strength or weight that T.O. carries.

Good values in many spots though.

we're really only giving up 2 picks I did the trade so that we could move past some 3-4 teams making their 2nd picks

as far as Murphy goes, I'm speaking more of his speed to get downfield and ability to turn upfield quickly after catching the football

 

[jterrell]

we're really only giving up 2 picks I did the trade so that we could move past some 3-4 teams making their 2nd picks

as far as Murphy goes, I'm speaking more of his speed to get downfield and ability to turn upfield quickly after catching the football, I believe he has the frame to add the 20lbs. to get to that sizes, and not lose too much of his speed

I hear ya there but I like 101 a lot and 197

I'd rather trade up say 2-4 spots and give up no more than a late 5th or 6th.

We have done well with some picks in the 100's recently. Choice was 122, Scandrick 140 something just last year. Barber, Canty and Bradie were all also picks in the 100's for us the last few years.

And I guess I just rate English right with a few others is mostly the deal. I like Sintim, Kruger about the same and Michael Johnson probably has more upside if someone can stomach the lack of college production. Of all those guys English may have the biggest injury risk.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I hear ya there but I like 101 a lot and 197

stubborn fewl!

I'd rather trade up say 2-4 spots and give up no more than a late 5th or 6th.

We have done well with some picks in the 100's recently. Choice was 122, Scandrick 140 something just last year. Barber, Canty and Bradie were all also picks in the 100's for us the last few years.

And I guess I just rate English right with a few others is mostly the deal. I like Sintim, Kruger about the same and Michael Johnson probably has more upside if someone can stomach the lack of college production. Of all those guys English may have the biggest injury risk.

why's that? do you think he plays too tall?

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I like it..Can Brice return some punts with that speed?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I like it..Can Brice return some punts with that speed?

his build probably makes him strictly a punt returner, so I think so

plus he has a great quickness (3.99 short-shuttle)

 

[polinskijr1]

What kind of research did you do to get this mock draft? That is by far the best I've seen to date. Oh sure you can add maybe a project QB in the 6th or 7th and maybe something here or there, but that pretty much covers the needs, wants and extras on this team. Great job!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What kind of research did you do to get this mock draft? That is by far the best I've seen to date. Oh sure you can add maybe a project QB in the 6th or 7th and maybe something here or there, but that pretty much covers the needs, wants and extras on this team. Great job!

NFLDraftScout.com

they have a top 750 board, so I just put those ratings against our draft slots, I focus on BPA, then need

 

[jterrell]

stubborn fewl!



why's that? do you think he plays too tall?

He suffered severe injuries as a freshman and was granted a medical redshirt and then messed up his knee in the bowl game of his sophomore season. But also it is a size issue. Can a guy 255 handle beating his head against 320 pound right tackles every week? I mean this guy is a bull rusher not a speed guy.

He is the career high sack man of the draftees with 31.5 and showed well overall but knee injuries are worrisome and the other guys don't have those to deal with. It isn't enough to move him down at all but it might be a tie-breaker.

And English ran a 4.9 combine 40 at only 255 pounds. That's not poor it is awful.

I don't dislike him but he's just an in the pack guy for me not a leader of it.

I really like Connor Barwin.

 

[jterrell]

NFLDraftScout.com

they have a top 750 board, so I just put those ratings against our draft slots, I focus on BPA, then need

That site is very good and you did a great job of overall value where you picked.

I'd have to hope if we were moving up to 40 it meant Greg Ellis was the bait and perhaps then a Greg Ellis and 101 and 197 might make sense. Keep the 51 but get a mid 40's back. Ellis is a known commodity as a very solid nickel rusher who can get you 8 sacks like clockwork. And chances are in a new situation he stops whining. He reminds me a lot of Michael Finley.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He suffered severe injuries as a freshman and was granted a medical redshirt and then messed up his knee in the bowl game of his sophomore season. But also it is a size issue. Can a guy 255 handle beating his head against 320 pound right tackles every week? I mean this guy is a bull rusher not a speed guy.

He is the career high sack man of the draftees with 31.5 and showed well overall but knee injuries are worrisome and the other guys don't have those to deal with. It isn't enough to move him down at all but it might be a tie-breaker.

And English ran a 4.9 combine 40 at only 255 pounds. That's not poor it is awful.

I don't dislike him but he's just an in the pack guy for me not a leader of it.

I really like Connor Barwin.

same, but I think he'll be a New England Patriot for sure

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That site is very good and you did a great job of overall value where you picked.

I'd have to hope if we were moving up to 40 it meant Greg Ellis was the bait and perhaps then a Greg Ellis and 101 and 197 might make sense. Keep the 51 but get a mid 40's back. Ellis is a known commodity as a very solid nickel rusher who can get you 8 sacks like clockwork. And chances are in a new situation he stops whining. He reminds me a lot of Michael Finley.

that would work too, but I can't imagine any team wanting Greg Ellis as part of a trade, he's kind of like a throw-in

thanks for the kind words though

 

[28 Joker]

I would take Lawrence Sidbury Jr., but I like the fact that you see that value in the 3rd rusher.

Greg Ellis is going to cost over $ 5 million dollars this year.

There is no way Dallas will pay that to him this year (imo), especially, when you consider his selfish nature (as a football player). He's moved up to number 1 on my "he needs to get the boot" list. Bobby Carpenter is number 3, and Cory Proctor is number 3.5.

The question is this: Who will replace him?

I still like Lawrence Sidbury Jr. He could rush from both sides during his rookie year. He could be the pass rush specialist.

I wouldn't draft Clint Sintim. He's too stiff and slow, and I don't think he can cover. Bunting says he would be a solid rush linebacker specialist in a 3-4 but not a star, and he doesn't see upside in him. According to Bunting, Sintim is a 2nd-3rd round prospect. Sidbury had 11.5 sacks (4 in champioinship game and Sintim had over 11, too, I think.) Still, I'll take the upside and athletic ability.

I just don't know much about Larry English, but I do know Ellis is probably gone.

 

[dmoore]

This draft if full of win. I love the Murphy pick.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm with JT in not wanting to trade two top-200 picks for one guy, unless we're absolutely convinced he'll be a superstar. And odds of that are very slim.