CFZ Money and "head in the clouds" issues

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This is pure virtue signaling, can we play enough for someone to want to pay to see us play? It's supply and demand, their high level skills are limited but the demand is high
Once again, it’s a societal issue. It’s our fault.
 

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Because of the staggering salaries in pro sports, it is not surprising to read about some young star doing something completely outlandish or totally immature with their money.

But, it is not just the pro sports athlete or teen movie star that fall prey to these behaviors. Shortly before retiring a few years ago, I was advised by one of our corporate HR managers that the company had instituted a new on-boarding process for fresh University graduates.

Curious about the on-boarding, I decided to pop into a class for a bird's-eye view. I was somewhat appalled to see that, in addition to covering basic employee programs, there were blocks of time devoted to managing their salary and, even a discussion about the evils of large credit card debt.

While these sort of discussions were no doubt helpful to the new employee, I was taken aback that we (the company) felt it necessary to provide such very basic life skills.

Is it me, or does seem to be more a manifestation of the current generation?
 

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As I said, it’s a societal problem. We put our entertainment over the more important issues. It’s just a fact. You can ignore it if you so desire. It’s still a fact.

Well, there are countries out there that mandate what your choices and preferences should be. But don't worry. We're catching up.
 

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Your I.Q. probably can’t get any lower than it already is if you don’t get my point. The question is how important is their job. You seem to think the world would stop spinning if there were no professional athletes.
Thats not how things work. Ppl dont get paid based on how important their job is. You too old not to know this.
 

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I can see how suddenly having that much money and being told how great he is could go to a young guy's head. He might feel invincible, as if his NFL success is somehow predestined. It seems to me that's how a very talented young player could wind up a draft bust.
This is the second time today I'm mentioning Parcells.

Parcells took this roll on himself. He understood very well that these guys needed a counter to the hype machine as well as their own egos.

It's going to be interesting to see how Parsons evolves. No reason to think he won't be fine but even the best can start smelling themselves if everyone around them is telling him how good he smells.
 

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Because of the staggering salaries in pro sports, it is not surprising to read about some young star doing something completely outlandish or totally immature with their money.

But, it is not just the pro sports athlete or teen movie star that fall prey to these behaviors. Shortly before retiring a few years ago, I was advised by one of our corporate HR managers that the company had instituted a new on-boarding process for fresh University graduates.

Curious about the on-boarding, I decided to pop into a class for a bird's-eye view. I was somewhat appalled to see that, in addition to covering basic employee programs, there were blocks of time devoted to managing their salary and, even a discussion about the evils of large credit card debt.

While these sort of discussions were no doubt helpful to the new employee, I was taken aback that we (the company) felt it necessary to provide such very basic life skills.

Is it me, or does seem to be more a manifestation of the current generation?
Our generation will be better because we are teaching our kids the skills that the school system did not teach us and things our parents never did.
 

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I have no problem with the money the average football player makes.

Let’s be real, most pro athletes have God-given skills that they could’ve used in more than one sport. Yes, some people are more gifted in certain sport-specific skills, or just enjoy a sport more, but you’re either born or not with these types of abilities. For them to pick the most abusive sport of all, one that is far more likely to leave you with life-lingering injuries, they deserve everything they earn. Even if all sports earn the same average salary, the average football player has a much shorter career.

They also don’t make as much money as the other sports or even have the same opportunities if they’re not up to speed quickly. Baseball players make a gazillion dollars because of no cap and have a gigantic minor-league system and the Japanese leagues to fall back on. NBA players make a ton of money, even the scrubs, and have European, Chinese, and other leagues to go to. NHL is probably the closest and even they have more international options and less salary cap restrictions. Soccer is worldwide and always looking to hire players. The only option for a football player is CFL or one of these upstart leagues like the XFL, Arena, or USFL that never seem to last.

I’m probably biased because Football is my passion, but all things considered, these players are worth every penny they are getting. If we’re going to complain about anything it should be these quarterbacks that are making gazillions of dollars and protected by a new rule every year. And playing devils advocate, there is not a single position with more pressure in any professional sport than a quarterback of a major city.

How they choose to spend their money and their life is on them. The NFL offers several programs nowadays to help these guys, it’s personal choice, and if they choose to blow it all or spend it in unwise ways, so be it. The average person does that too, you just don’t hear it when they’re making less than $100,000 a year.
 

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Your I.Q. probably can’t get any lower than it already is if you don’t get my point. The question is how important is their job. You seem to think the world would stop spinning if there were no professional athletes.

Maybe you need to get some people together to agree to pay more taxes to help out your preferred professions. Let me know how that movement goes.

Hey, guys, I salute your passion, but at this point maybe it's best to agree to disagree. You're not going to agree on this thing, and that's okay. Life would be boring if we all agreed on everything. I request that you shake hands and move on.
 

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I have no problem with the money the average football player makes.

Let’s be real, most pro athletes have God-given skills that they could’ve used in more than one sport. Yes, some people are more gifted in certain sport-specific skills, or just enjoy a sport more, but you’re either born or not with these types of abilities. For them to pick the most abusive sport of all, one that is far more likely to leave you with life-lingering injuries, they deserve everything they earn. Even if all sports earn the same average salary, the average football player has a much shorter career.

They also don’t make as much money as the other sports or even have the same opportunities if they’re not up to speed quickly. Baseball players make a gazillion dollars because of no cap and have a gigantic minor-league system and the Japanese leagues to fall back on. NBA players make a ton of money, even the scrubs, and have European, Chinese, and other leagues to go to. NHL is probably the closest and even they have more international options and less salary cap restrictions. Soccer is worldwide and always looking to hire players. The only option for a football player is CFL or one of these upstart leagues like the XFL, Arena, or USFL that never seem to last.

I’m probably biased because Football is my passion, but all things considered, these players are worth every penny they are getting. If we’re going to complain about anything it should be these quarterbacks that are making gazillions of dollars and protected by a new rule every year. And playing devils advocate, there is not a single position with more pressure in any professional sport than a quarterback of a major city.

How they choose to spend their money and their life is on them. The NFL offers several programs nowadays to help these guys, it’s personal choice, and if they choose to blow it all or spend it in unwise ways, so be it. The average person does that too, you just don’t hear it when they’re making less than $100,000 a year.

I made peace some time back with the fact that football players make huge amounts of money. The system is how it is, and it yields those high amounts. Regardless of that fact, a team has an interest in having their draftees play well, contributing to the team's success. If a player's all drunk on his monetary success, that can sabotage his success on the field. It doesn't just happen in sports, btw. It's common for rock stars and celebrities to get so full of themselves that they become crappy people and make foolish decisions that hurt their lives and careers. The "head in the clouds" thing is cancer to quality football playing. That's why whatever counseling/advice program the Cowboys have set up I hope is successful. Besides making their lives better, it makes it more likely that a team gets a good return on their big investment. I personally don't care if some player buys a diamond necklace and a Ferrari. It's his money. He can buy what he wants. I only care if a player gets so caught up in all the hype that he thinks he's so great that he can win without hard work and preparation.

The smartest players have figured out that the big bucks maybe be great, but that they'll never be a substitute for a great work ethic.
 

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But which is more important? That’s the question. Anyone can play basketball, football, and baseball too. No, not anywhere as well as the pros, but we can all still do it. Like I said, our priorities are screwed up. It’s not even in question.
Those that can, Do. Those that can’t, Teach. Pretty much sums it up imo.
 

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Lol what???? These guys are the .01% in the world at their jobs. Everytime i come here i read something that tries to lower my iq.

I mean all that does is beg the question if the societal important jobs were better compensated, would it encourage more people to pursue it at higher levels and attract the elite of the elite. I understand the economics of it, but do feel that it's somewhat gross
 

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This is pure virtue signaling, can we play enough for someone to want to pay to see us play? It's supply and demand, their high level skills are limited but the demand is high
Again, that’s exactly my point. The demand IS high because our priorities are screwed up. You guys are making my point without realizing it. As much as I love sports (and I really do), the world would not suffer without them. Can you say the same thing about LEOs, teachers, medical professionals, our military, truck drivers, farmers, etc.? The answer is beyond obvious. I do NOT fault athletes for the money they make. I fault us for valuing it as much as we do.
 

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Many people are qualified to be law enforcement and teachers, not many people are qualified to be actors or athletes or doctors thus the disparity in pay.
No where near as many are as well qualified as you think. I was a federal agent for almost 30 years. I had to be a cop, an investigator, an attorney, a social worker (yuck), a very good interviewer, an accountant, a financial analyst, well qualified in firearms and defensive tactics, a tech agent, etc. The hats I had to wear were many and there was always some ******* looking over your shoulder waiting for a mistake to gig you with. Saying there are many qualified for the job is false.
 

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Well, there are countries out there that mandate what your choices and preferences should be. But don't worry. We're catching up.
No idea what this has to do with the topic at hand. I’m pretty sure no one is advocating for more government. I’m damn sure not. The less the better.
 

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One of my favorite stories of athletes not understanding money is the one where Ricky Henderson framed his $1m bonus check rather than cashing it and the team had to ask him why the money did not clear off their books.
 

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Because of the staggering salaries in pro sports, it is not surprising to read about some young star doing something completely outlandish or totally immature with their money.

But, it is not just the pro sports athlete or teen movie star that fall prey to these behaviors. Shortly before retiring a few years ago, I was advised by one of our corporate HR managers that the company had instituted a new on-boarding process for fresh University graduates.

Curious about the on-boarding, I decided to pop into a class for a bird's-eye view. I was somewhat appalled to see that, in addition to covering basic employee programs, there were blocks of time devoted to managing their salary and, even a discussion about the evils of large credit card debt.

While these sort of discussions were no doubt helpful to the new employee, I was taken aback that we (the company) felt it necessary to provide such very basic life skills.

Is it me, or does seem to be more a manifestation of the current generation?

I think this is more about getting people to not live beyond their means. I see it happening a lot over the last two decades. And I don't mean working class or poor people. Many times they have no choice. I mean those being paid well.

Back around the early part of this century, around 2000, I had a co-worker tell me he can't live on 80%. Being the reason he came back from disability early. Dude was making almost 30 bucks an hour. Back then that was pretty good. You got to give yourself some space.

More recently, around 2015, when I worked road maintenance, one of my supervisors talked about struggling because he wasn't getting enough snow overtime. That job starts at 74k a year, and he was at top pay. I don't know what top pay is. How do you put yourself in that position? I guess it's easy to do if you're not careful.
 

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I mean all that does is beg the question if the societal important jobs were better compensated, would it encourage more people to pursue it at higher levels and attract the elite of the elite. I understand the economics of it, but do feel that it's somewhat gross

I think so, yes. The higher the pay, the more competition for the job. So at some point you're left with the best.

The problem is some of these so called important jobs don't bring income to their employer. Although important, they are a monetary drain on society. The state isn't making any money off them. It's a lot easier for a business or franchise to pay their employees whatever necessary as long as the return is much higher.
 
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