Moore or Fat Mike's Offense

[buddahjoe445]

Check this out. The Packers haven't won another Superbowl without McCarthy.

The Cowboys produced a top 5 offense WITHOUT Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore HAS NOT produced a top 5 offense WITHOUT the Cowboys.

Like I've said. The Cowboys talent propped up anything positive about Kellen Moore and his results in LA this year proved that.

So you were saying what again....

Dude, you keep contradicting yourself. Fat Mike hasn't won a SB with the Cowboys even with all the good players. He won one SB with one of the greatest QB of all time. What does that say about him? What is your point?

 

[Kingofholland]

I think McCarthy had a plan for this offense but it became evident his plan couldn't work. I dont' know if it was a personnel issue or lack of run game or what. So he went back to what they did well.

You have Dak confused and they show the replay and there's no one open. Some guys even running their routes half ***......it's a strange day when Gallup was your best receiver ands it wasn't even close.

Yep, a lot on Dak today, but thought it was interesting the amount of times there was no where to go against a questionable pass defense. I wonder if we just figured we would hang our hat on whats been working no matter what.. The Packers ran their defense differently today than what the Cowboys expected or have seen but it was the same type of stuff we saw out of the teams that beat us by wide margins this year.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Check this out. The Packers haven't won another Superbowl without McCarthy.

The Cowboys produced a top 5 offense WITHOUT Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore HAS NOT produced a top 5 offense WITHOUT the Cowboys.

Like I've said. The Cowboys talent propped up anything positive about Kellen Moore and his results in LA this year proved that.

So you were saying what again....

Lol he's had a grand total of 1 year with a completely new team (who's HC sucked and was fired btw) and had beat up WRs. The book isn't written on Moore yet. And the fact that the Cowboys were top 5 again doesn't prove anything about Moore.

 

[WorkingMan2022]

At the end of the day Dak is the weak link here. He just can't read a defense, and it really doesn't matter who the coach is or who is calling plays. MM dumbed down the offense and Dak still had a hard time running it.

 

[Aven8]

Moore sucks

 

[WorkingMan2022]

At this point a real GM would tell Dak it's time to renegotiate that contract to help benefit the organization.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yep, a lot on Dak today, but thought it was interesting the amount of times there was no where to go against a questionable pass defense. I wonder if we just figured we would hang our hat on whats been working no matter what.. The Packers ran their defense differently today than what the Cowboys expected or have seen but it was the same type of stuff we saw out of the teams that beat us by wide margins this year.

I think it caught them off guard. And that sucks and that's in part why I feel coaching needs to change.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

At this point a real GM would tell Dak it's time to renegotiate that contract to help benefit the organization.

You could argue a real GM would just take his cap hit and let him walk.

 

[WorkingMan2022]

You could argue a real GM would just take his cap hit and let him walk.

Also true

 

[buddahjoe445]

You could argue a real GM would just take his cap hit and let him walk.

a better GM will convince Dak to accept a trade

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I think McCarthy had a plan for this offense but it became evident his plan couldn't work. I dont' know if it was a personnel issue or lack of run game or what. So he went back to what they did well.

You have Dak confused and they show the replay and there's no one open. Some guys even running their routes half ***......it's a strange day when Gallup was your best receiver ands it wasn't even close.

McCarthy had a plan but his limiting factor was the QB.

 

[Kingofholland]

I think it caught them off guard. And that sucks and that's in part why I feel coaching needs to change.

Most definitely, what actually changes, who knows? I will say if Bill wasn't available I don't know if there would be a lot of noise on a coaching change.

However, these types of losses can alter a locker room the mindset and that could carry forward into next yeat without some significant change.

 

[basel90]

Tell me how Fat Mike's offense was better than Moore's. Dak still was confused by zone and offense was supposed to be Dak friendly.

Moore > McCarthy . The experiment and numbers show it .
jerry went with the wrong guy after a few johnny walker blues and nachos . Amazing how Jerry’s instincts are so wrong .

 

[buddahjoe445]

where would the offense rank without so many turnovers and short fields created by the defense?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

a better GM will convince Dak to accept a trade

A GM can’t convince someone to do that when you have a no trade clause.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Answer: irrelevant with Dak Prescott at quarterback when not playing a terrible team.

And Dak happened to be lucky to be playing an 8 year stretch where most of the NFC East is terrible. So within the division itself it's potentially 5-6 wins a year. Look at this season. They split with the eagles and won both meetings against the Giants and Washington - we basically went 5-1 in the division. So 5 wins, then we had 7 wins against some average to bad teams.

 

[buddahjoe445]

A GM can’t convince someone to do that when you have a no trade clause.

thats why I say a better GM. maybe throw in some chicken nuggets.

 

[GINeric]

Lol he's had a grand total of 1 year with a completely new team (who's HC sucked and was fired btw) and had beat up WRs. The book isn't written on Moore yet. And the fact that the Cowboys were top 5 again doesn't prove anything about Moore.

Ahhh.... the beat up receivers and new team and etc excuses. That's not flying here my friend.

You can believe what you want but Moore is trash. How can you forget all the games we had running backs averaging 4, 5, 6 yards a carry and then .Moore would call pass plays on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and short or goal to go.


Let me see if you're intelligent enough to tell me why Moore would call three pass plays for 3 yards or less in the same games our backs are averaging 5, 6 yards a carry.....

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

A GM can’t convince someone to do that when you have a no trade clause.

Trade Ceedee, he is no longer a luxury we can have, not when we don't have an actual QB. Same with Micah. Prescott plays with the cheapest receivers around. The objective won't be to win games it will be getting past the last year of Dak's contract and toss him out.

 

[removed_20241105]

Lol he's had a grand total of 1 year with a completely new team (who's HC sucked and was fired btw) and had beat up WRs. The book isn't written on Moore yet. And the fact that the Cowboys were top 5 again doesn't prove anything about Moore.

Don’t forget coach Mike hasn’t won a playoff game with this team without Kellen running the offense.

Ahhh.... the beat up receivers and new team and etc excuses. That's not flying here my friend.

You can believe what you want but Moore is trash. How can you forget all the games we had running backs averaging 4, 5, 6 yards a carry and then .Moore would call pass plays on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and short or goal to go.


Let me see if you're intelligent enough to tell me why Moore would call three pass plays for 3 yards or less in the same games our backs are averaging 5, 6 yards a carry.....

But they were getting 4, 5, and 6 yards a carry. They also won a playoff game under a Kellen led offense. Hate Kellen all you want but there’s no story on Mac being better at offense. After today, isn’t that clear?