Moore or Fat Mike's Offense

[BoyzBlaster]

Ahhh.... the beat up receivers and new team and etc excuses. That's not flying here my friend.

You can believe what you want but Moore is trash. How can you forget all the games we had running backs averaging 4, 5, 6 yards a carry and then .Moore would call pass plays on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and short or goal to go.


Let me see if you're intelligent enough to tell me why Moore would call three pass plays for 3 yards or less in the same games our backs are averaging 5, 6 yards a carry.....

My point was you contradicted yourself in your own post. I couldn't care less about Moore.

 

[GINeric]

My point was you contradicted yourself in your own post. I couldn't care less about Moore.

And I already proved to you that I didn't contradict my self with clear cut proof. Reading is fundamental.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Don’t forget coach Mike hasn’t won a playoff game with this team without Kellen running the offense.

But they were getting 4, 5, and 6 yards a carry. They also won a playoff game under a Kellen led offense. Hate Kellen all you want but there’s no story on Mac being better at offense. After today, isn’t that clear?

I think you meant this for the guy I was replying to.

 

[GINeric]

Don’t forget coach Mike hasn’t won a playoff game with this team without Kellen running the offense.

But they were getting 4, 5, and 6 yards a carry. They also won a playoff game under a Kellen led offense. Hate Kellen all you want but there’s no story on Mac being better at offense. After today, isn’t that clear?

All that is fair, but Mac won his division and made it to the playoffs and also a top 5 offense WITHOUT Kellen Moore.

Kellen Moore's team didn't win the division, didn't field a top 5 offense, and didn't make it into the playoffs.

Most of all, Mac is a headcoach that coached a team to a Superbowl victory. Kellen Moore isn't intelligent enough to even dream of doing that.

 

[buddahjoe445]

All that is fair, but Mac won his division and made it to the playoffs and also a top 5 offense WITHOUT Kellen Moore.

Kellen Moore's team didn't win the division, didn't field a top 5 offense, and didn't make it into the playoffs.

Most of all, Mac is a headcoach that coached a team to a Superbowl victory. Kellen Moore isn't intelligent enough to even dream of doing that.

So looks like you're saying Barry Switzer and Fat Mike are same level coach since they both won a SB. I agree with you on this.

 

[removed_20241105]

I think you meant this for the guy I was replying to.

Nope I was adding to your points.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Nope I was adding to your points.

Gotcha.

 

[GINeric]

So looks like you're saying Barry Switzer and Fat Mike are same level coach since they both won a SB. I agree with you on this.

Yep, just like Nick Foles and Trent Dilpher are the same level quarterback as Aaron Rodgers because they all won the same amount of Superbowls.

I don't know how you took Kellen Moore out of the conversation and added Switzer, but I can play that game too.

 

[Swagger]

And Dak happened to be lucky to be playing an 8 year stretch where most of the NFC East is terrible. So within the division itself it's potentially 5-6 wins a year. Look at this season. They split with the eagles and won both meetings against the Giants and Washington - we basically went 5-1 in the division. So 5 wins, then we had 7 wins against some average to bad teams.

Indeed.

The fact the team went 5-1 with a practice squad calibre QB speaks volumes about so much.

 

[removed_20241105]

All that is fair, but Mac won his division and made it to the playoffs and also a top 5 offense WITHOUT Kellen Moore.

Kellen Moore's team didn't win the division, didn't field a top 5 offense, and didn't make it into the playoffs.

Most of all, Mac is a headcoach that coached a team to a Superbowl victory. Kellen Moore isn't intelligent enough to even dream of doing that.

All that is fair, but Mac won his division and made it to the playoffs and also a top 5 offense WITHOUT Kellen Moore.

Kellen Moore's team didn't win the division, didn't field a top 5 offense, and didn't make it into the playoffs.

Most of all, Mac is a headcoach that coached a team to a Superbowl victory. Kellen Moore isn't intelligent enough to even dream of doing that.

If he’s not intelligent, then why did Mac use much of the same offense, and why did Dak and CeeDee emphasize his intelligence when he left?

Who gives a crap about division if you don’t get any playoff wins?

Kellen did achieve those things running the offense here though. Seems like Mac has achieved less offensively than Kellen on this team.

 

[buddahjoe445]

Yep, just like Nick Foles and Trent Dilpher are the same level quarterback as Aaron Rodgers because they all won the same amount of Superbowls.

I don't know how you took Kellen Moore out of the conversation and added Switzer, but I can play that game too.

You keep saying Fat Mike is a good coach because he won a SB. I keep pointing out thats stupid by comparing him to Barry Switzer. But now, you are making the same comparison I made. You need to think through your thoughts before you type.

 

[GINeric]

You keep saying Fat Mike is a good coach because he won a SB. I keep pointing out thats stupid by comparing him to Barry Switzer. But now, you are making the same comparison I made. You need to think through your thoughts before you type.

Your argument was McCarthy vs Moore.

McCarthy is a Superbowl winning coach who has made it to the playoffs and won the WITHOUT Moore and displayed a top 5 offense on top of that.

Moore has not displayed a top 5 offense, made it to the playoffs or won the division WITHOUT McCarthy.

Now put your spin job on that.

 

[WorkingMan2022]

Who really cares who is better Moore or fat ***. I know damn sure who sucks, Dak by a country mile.

 

[buddahjoe445]

Your argument was McCarthy vs Moore.

McCarthy is a Superbowl winning coach who has made it to the playoffs and won the WITHOUT Moore and displayed a top 5 offense on top of that.

Moore has not displayed a top 5 offense, made it to the playoffs or won the division WITHOUT McCarthy.

Now put your spin job on that.

Fat Mike has not won a playoff game without Moore in Dallas. Fat Mike's offenses in GB were not great, especially last few years, even with a great QB. Fat Mike's offense sucked this year until he went back to what Moore was doing last year. Moore has been in LA one year with a crap OL and receivers. Let Moore coach this team with Herbert and offense will be much better.

My argument of Moore > Fat Mike is pretty clear. Fat Mike does less with more. All this to say Dak is a coach and franchise killer. Just can't win with him. Can't pay Dak $60M and build a solid team. Just play Rush/Lance and build a solid team around them.

 

[GINeric]

Fat Mike has not won a playoff game without Moore in Dallas. Fat Mike's offenses in GB were not great, especially last few years, even with a great QB. Fat Mike's offense sucked this year until he went back to what Moore was doing last year. Moore has been in LA one year with a crap OL and receivers. Let Moore coach this team with Herbert and offense will be much better.

My argument of Moore > Fat Mike is pretty clear. Fat Mike does less with more. All this to say Dak is a coach and franchise killer. Just can't win with him. Can't pay Dak $60M and build a solid team. Just play Rush/Lance and build a solid team around them.

Moore will never accomplish what McCarthy has because Moore isn't intelligent enough. Period. You can give Moore all the excuses in the world.

I can see giving Lance a shot, but Rush is not an NFL level starting quarterback for more than a handful of games..

 

[buddahjoe445]

Moore will never accomplish what McCarthy has because Moore isn't intelligent enough. Period. You can give Moore all the excuses in the world.

I can see giving Lance a shot, but Rush is not an NFL level starting quarterback for more than a handful of games..

Moore may or may not end up being a good coach and coordinator, but Fat Mike is an idiot. Has been and always will be. His offense was crap early on this year. It was suppose to dumb down and make things easier for Dak. Well, that didn't work. My guess on that based on history is both Dak and Fat Mike do not have the brain to quickly process. The offense looked much better once they went to more of the things they used to run under Moore. Thats why you saw the offense go more vertical and multiple route tree patterns by WRs.

The article below tells you everything you need to know about Fat Mike.

 

[Zekeats]

Moore is the dumbest offensive coordinator in the NFL with the lowest IQ and horrible in-game situational adjustments.

McCarthy's playbook wasn't the issue, it was a lack of intensity and focus from the players. THAT is McCarthy's fault as well.

But please never put Kellen Moore in the same sentence as McCarthy. Kellen Moore doesn't have the intelligence to coach at this level.

McCarthy coached a team to a Superbowl victory. It's levels.

Wrong. It’s Dak. Brady Manning randy moss all made their OCs great. They could be coached by anyone, even a Byron leftwich. It’s not the coaching, it’s not the scheme it’s the limited qb end of story

 

[Chuck 54]

Tell me how Fat Mike's offense was better than Moore's. Dak still was confused by zone and offense was supposed to be Dak friendly.

Yesterday was a failure across the board. The defense being a failure was no surprise. The offensive failure early was.
That said, anyone who didn’t see how much smarter, synchronized, and effective the offense was under McCarthy is simply blinded by disappointment. Both Dak and Lamb had the best season of their careers. Everyone around the league and those analyzing film could easily see how much smarter and effective the offense was.

Now we must find a way to be effective with the run game, and the defensive philosophy needs to change dramatically or we will not have success in the playoffs.

 

[buddahjoe445]

Yesterday was a failure across the board. The defense being a failure was no surprise. The offensive failure early was.
That said, anyone who didn’t see how much smarter, synchronized, and effective the offense was under McCarthy is simply blinded by disappointment. Both Dak and Lamb had the best season of their careers. Everyone around the league and those analyzing film could easily see how much smarter and effective the offense was.

Now we must find a way to be effective with the run game, and the defensive philosophy needs to change dramatically or we will not have success in the playoffs.

McCarthy's offense was disappointing first few weeks. Dak and Lamb were having terrible year because McCarthy's offense is horizontal with quick one read throws. The run game was predictable and was the entire year. Its like they were running the 90's west coast offense, which is what McCarthy knows. Once they changed their offense to more of what they were doing last year, went more vertical, their offense took off. They were mid to bottom offense first part of the year, horrible red zone. The issues with the offense were the same as when McCarthy was with GB. Its the same things Aaron Rodgers used to complain about.