News: Moore: What future for Morris Claiborne, Byron Jones looks like with Cowboys

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Cowboys need help at RT, he's played T in college and right now Leary is a better G than Doug Free at T. Collins can be just as successful at T as he's been at G.
I see some of the traits of Larry Allen, good at either position.

That makes no sense to me though. Collins has potential to be dominant at guard. That's going to be his position more than likely for the majority of his career. Why ruin that development? You have Chaz Green and with the as high as we drafted him it would make more sense for him to be your starter in the future.

Not to mention Leary was terrible early in there year. I like the potential of him being a backup guard with Bernadeau to create depth at the position.

 

[KingintheNorth]

There's real opportunity to fix the secondary this off-season. Claiborne is a free agent and cutting Carr & Church would free up an additional $8M plus in cap room.

My dream scenario would be making a run at Eric Berry if he hits the open market. I also like free agent corners Brandon Boykin, Trumaine Johnson, and Casey Heyward if they can be had at a reasonable rate.

I just think you have to stop rewarding mediocrity by bringing back guys who under-perform. I also think it's time to move on from Jerome Henderson. Perform or get out.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Makes sense, although I want to get rid of as many 'Rob Ryan guys' as I can in this scheme. That would mean Carr has to go and so does Church (another guy we overpaid for).

My move would be to move Byron to FS because we can fix that position quicker than we can at corner. It would also give us more options to play man or zone. I think with Church at Wilcox at safeties, we really can't play man because they aren't good enough and we can't play zone because we don't really have zone corners with Claiborne and Carr (Patmon is a zone corner and Scandrick can play both).

Get a legitimately good SS and move Byron to FS and now we can at least have a plan as to what type of corners to look for. And I still don't mind Patmon at all (but he's a zone corner, not a man corner). We can then move Byron around a bit in special situations, like having to defend somebody like Gronk or Beckham and move Heath (or Wilcox) in at safety.

This is where having a GM comes into play. If Marinelli still wants to go cheap at safety, he has to realize that the game has changed and work to find a good safety tandem or otherwise, look for work elsewhere.




YR

 

[StarBoyz83]

Unless Claiborne comes back on the way cheap he's gone.

 

[Junglist]

Why is everyone focusing on Mo's injuries? You don't sign the guy because he flat out SUCKED for 3 out of 4 years. Why would anyone even entertain keeping this JAG around?

 

[Ender]

Who we keep depends on the draft, but i literally have no feeling on Claiborne. He's played ok this year. But i dont know what up with our corners, its seems like we always end up with guys that a step to late, or dont turn their heads.

 

[mattjames2010]

Another aspect of Mo's situation is he may not want to come back. He might just think a change of scenery is what he needs. Dallas will have a lot of money under the cap to spend. I could see them letting both Mo and Carr go, and replace them in the draft/FA.

Depending on where we pick, draft is a solid option. But FA, there isn't any CB outside of Jenkins I'd consider a good replacement. I think Rams will bring him back though.

 

[Longboysfan]

Need someone in the Cowboys organization to light a fire under these guys.

 

[perrykemp]

Why is everyone focusing on Mo's injuries? You don't sign the guy because he flat out SUCKED for 3 out of 4 years. Why would anyone even entertain keeping this JAG around?

Signing guys who sucked for nearly their entire contract and then came back and had a semi-bounce back contract year is receipe for disaster.

 

[Picksix]

Depending on where we pick, draft is a solid option. But FA, there isn't any CB outside of Jenkins I'd consider a good replacement. I think Rams will bring him back though.

I think if you're looking top tier, perhaps. Not sure we'll go that route. Usually we wait for 2nd/3rd tier guys.

 

[Nightman]

I want to improve at all the secondary spots

CB- Carr and Claiborne can both go. Too expensive and no production. INTs are allowed.

FS- Keep BJones

SS- bench Church, see if Wilcox is better at SS

Slot CB- Oscan is fine but may need to move outside.

 

[Picksix]

Makes sense, although I want to get rid of as many 'Rob Ryan guys' as I can in this scheme. That would mean Carr has to go and so does Church (another guy we overpaid for).

My move would be to move Byron to FS because we can fix that position quicker than we can at corner. It would also give us more options to play man or zone. I think with Church at Wilcox at safeties, we really can't play man because they aren't good enough and we can't play zone because we don't really have zone corners with Claiborne and Carr (Patmon is a zone corner and Scandrick can play both).

Get a legitimately good SS and move Byron to FS and now we can at least have a plan as to what type of corners to look for. And I still don't mind Patmon at all (but he's a zone corner, not a man corner). We can then move Byron around a bit in special situations, like having to defend somebody like Gronk or Beckham and move Heath (or Wilcox) in at safety.

This is where having a GM comes into play. If Marinelli still wants to go cheap at safety, he has to realize that the game has changed and work to find a good safety tandem or otherwise, look for work elsewhere.




YR

That's why I can see us letting both Carr and Claiborne go. They're primarily man corners, and I really think Marinelli would be more comfortable playing more zone concepts.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

That's why I can see us letting both Carr and Claiborne go. They're primarily man corners, and I really think Marinelli would be more comfortable playing more zone concepts.

Sounds logical, but then you have personnel issues with not enough corners. We can assume that we'll get O-Scan and Patmon back...but after that we don't have much. I'd rather have Claiborne back at a low price and add some cheap zone corner FA's along with a 3rd round pick.





YR

 

[CCBoy]

Typical Cowboy fans in a nutshell

So, you are claiming to be average?

 

[CCBoy]

Funny how in Training Camp, everything was directed towards accumulating turn overs. Now, when points are extremely difficult to come by, why is the defense striving to not tip the cart...but leaving possible points on the curb.

I don't think that secondary coverage should await a real pass rush...that also is missing. Hardy and all.

 

[Picksix]

Sounds logical, but then you have personnel issues with not enough corners. We can assume that we'll get O-Scan and Patmon back...but after that we don't have much. I'd rather have Claiborne back at a low price and add some cheap zone corner FA's along with a 3rd round pick.





YR

I hear you, but they have a number of picks (I could see them drafting 2), and they have a good amount of money under the cap to spend (I could see them picking up 1 or 2 guys in FA). I also wonder how they feel about the kid they promoted from the PS. And personally, I don't think Mo wants to come back (just a gut feeling).

 

[Zekeats]

This secondary is in shambles... Overpaid for Carr. Claiborne has woefully under-achieved. Wilcox and Church are bargain bin safeties and shouldn't be starting-- but since the Roy Williams debacle, we simply don't view safety as a position worth investing money in.

Jones looks great, and Scandrick is a solid starter-- but we either need to invest and upgrade the position through the draft or FA, or bring in a coach and a scheme that can actually develop these guys so they make plays. It's mind blowing how bad this defense is at forcing turnovers.

But Rod preaches turnovers

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

I think the Cowboys should move Collins to RT and put Leary back in at guard. I think the combo of Leary at G and Collins at T is better than what we have now. I now Leary will be a free agent but a deal could be reached.

Leary probably signs elsewhere for a decent contract and guarantee to start. I cant see the Cowboys spending more than a few million a year for him. And look what parnell got to leave town