More Important: A Dominating Pass Rusher(s) or a Shutdown CB(s)?

[ThreeSportStar80]

I personally would have to go with a pass rusher like Demarcus Ware, they can make the game so much more unstable for a QB... Because if given time a QB can throw average receivers open. If the pass rush is down their throat then you get rushed throws and they can lead to INT's.

So with all that being said... I would take Ware over Revis!


I want to know everyone's opinion...

*Mods can you make it a poll question?* Ware or Revis?

 

[TheSport78]

It can go either way. The Jets don't have a dominating pass rusher, but have one of, if not the best defensive coaches in the league, and the best CB in the league.

Then, you can look at a team like Baltimore or Pittsburgh that have dominant pass rushers (Suggs, Harrison and Woodley), but aren't strong at the CB position.

Goes both ways, but I think pass rusher because he can affect EVERY play, the QB can choose not to throw at a certain CB.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see it as the Jack and Jill situation, when one falls down the other comes tumbling after. :laugh2:

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

It can go either way. The Jets don't have a dominating pass rusher, but have one of, if not the best defensive coaches in the league, and the best CB in the league.

Then, you can look at a team like Baltimore or Pittsburgh that have dominant pass rushers (Suggs, Harrison and Woodley), but aren't strong at the CB position.

Goes both ways, but I think pass rusher because he can affect EVERY play, the QB can choose not to throw at a certain CB.

I agree...

 

[Stautner]

I see it as the Jack and Jill situation, when one falls down the other comes tumbling after. :laugh2:

There is some truth to this, but the thing that throws the question in favor of the pass rusher is that he affects the entire passing game whereas a shut down corner only directly affects the passing game as to the player he is covering. That has some trickle down effect on the passing game as a whole, but the fact remains that it is still possible for an offense to be effective passing the ball if one of their receivers is shut down. If a QB is on his back or consistently havng to avoid pressure that effects his ability to pass to every receiver.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

There is some truth to this, but the thing that throws the question in favor of the pass rusher is that he affects the entire passing game whereas a shut down corner only directly affects the passing game as to the player he is covering. That has some trickle down effect on the passing game as a whole, but the fact remains that it is still possible for an offense to be effective passing the ball if one of their receivers is shut down. If a QB is on his back or consistently havng to avoid pressure that effects his ability to pass to every receiver.

Yep... How many times have you heard the commentator on TV say "boy he had so and so wide open but the pressure cause him to rush the throw.."

 

[Doomsday101]

There is some truth to this, but the thing that throws the question in favor of the pass rusher is that he affects the entire passing game whereas a shut down corner only directly affects the passing game as to the player he is covering. That has some trickle down effect on the passing game as a whole, but the fact remains that it is still possible for an offense to be effective passing the ball if one of their receivers is shut down. If a QB is on his back or consistently havng to avoid pressure that effects his ability to pass to every receiver.

I don't disagree with that but I will say if the QB can get the ball out quick vs poor CB play then the pass rush never gets there.

 

[Stautner]

I don't disagree with that but I will say if the QB can get the ball out quick vs poor CB play then the pass rush never gets there.

I can't argue with that either, but it still comes back to a shut down CB only being able to prevent the quick pass to a single receiver, with the QB having the option to avoid that CB altogether and go to any of several other receivers instead. It also comes down to the QB being forced to limit his game plan and having to throw a lot of quick passed to avoid the pass rush.

 

[tomson75]

I don't disagree with that but I will say if the QB can get the ball out quick vs poor CB play then the pass rush never gets there.

When a QB does this, it's usually because of the pass rush, not the play of the CB. Short drops and quick/short passes make a CB's life much easier.

A good pass rusher can be disruptive on every pass play...even the quick ones. Once a QB is forced to take short drops, a defense can adjust and put pressure on the outside.

Not to mention, a good pass rusher is also typically asked to be a force against the run as well.

Pass rusher >>> CB

Although good CB play is still very important.

 

[perrykemp]

All things being equal I'd take a dominating pass rush. You can't really manufacture a pass rush... you can deficiencies in a secondary playing zone, etc.

When you can get both however, (think Clay Matthews and Charles Woodson + Tramon Williams) the result isn't surprising (ie Superbowl).

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

All things being equal I'd take a dominating pass rush. You can't really manufacture a pass rush... you can deficiencies in a secondary playing zone, etc.

When you can get both however, (think Clay Matthews and Charles Woodson + Tramon Williams) the result isn't surprising (ie Superbowl).

Exactly... I thought Dallas would have both in 2010 based off what they did in 2009 however they decided NOT to get a real FS.

 

[TheSport78]

Exactly... I thought Dallas would have both in 2010 based off what they did in 2009 however they decided NOT to get a real FS.

And Mike Jenkins decided to retire...

 

[Doomsday101]

When a QB does this, it's usually because of the pass rush, not the play of the CB. Short drops and quick/short passes make a CB's life much easier.

A good pass rusher can be disruptive on every pass play...even the quick ones. Once a QB is forced to take short drops, a defense can adjust and put pressure on the outside.

Not to mention, a good pass rusher is also typically asked to be a force against the run as well.

Pass rusher >>> CB

Although good CB play is still very important.

I'm just saying if you are weak at CB it can hurt as much. All a QB has to do is buy that split second and there are many QB's who seem to be good at that. Most games are determined by a few plays and all it takes is a couple of passes that go the distance to change the outcome. See the Tenn game we sacked Young 3 times knocked him down held him to 173 passing but gave up a couple of big TD passes.

Not saying pass rush is not important

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

And Mike Jenkins decided to retire...

:laugh2: Yep...

 

[tyke1doe]

The pass rusher is first and foremost. This is a passing league. Even the best corner can't provide blanket coverage if a quarterback has seven to 10 seconds to find a receiver.

 

[Doomsday101]

The pass rusher is first and foremost. This is a passing league. Even the best corner can't provide blanket coverage if a quarterback has seven to 10 seconds to find a receiver.

True but then again Det had the 6th most sacks and yet their secondary let them down. Even the best pass rusher is not going to get there every single time.

 

[Stautner]

True but then again Det had the 6th most sacks and yet their secondary let them down. Even the best pass rusher is not going to get there every single time.

It can easily be viewed in either direction. To me it just boils down to a CB can only prevent passes getting to one receiver whereas a pass rusher can prevent passes getting to any receiver.

 

[Doomsday101]

It can easily be viewed in either direction. To me it just boils down to a CB can only prevent passes getting to one receiver whereas a pass rusher can prevent passes getting to any receiver.

True but a good secondary can force the QB to pull the ball down and give the defensive front time to get there. We see coverage sacks quite often. If I was going to put a defense together your right I would go for a stud on the front line who can get after the QB but right behind him I'm going to find a CB who shut down the target.

I think weakness of either line or secondary can make for a long season for a defense.

 

[Stautner]

True but a good secondary can force the QB to pull the ball down and give the defensive front time to get there. We see coverage sacks quite often. If I was going to put a defense together your right I would go for a stud on the front line who can get after the QB but right behind him I'm going to find a CB who shut down the target.

I think weakness of either line or secondary can make for a long season for a defense.

I'm a little confused on this. The point of mine you were responding to is that a CB can only prevent passes from getting to a single receiver, whereas a pass rusher can prevent passes from getting to any receiver.

Your response isn't fair because you are commenting on an entire secondary being as important as a single pass rusher, not a single shurt-down CB vs. a single top pass rusher. That wasn't the question, and that doesn't address my point. Of course the secondary as a whole is easily as important (more so) as a single pass rusher.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm a little confused on this. The point of mine you were responding to is that a CB can only prevent passes from getting to a single receiver, whereas a pass rusher can prevent passes from getting to any receiver.

Your response isn't fair because you are commenting on an entire secondary being as important as a single pass rusher, not a single shurt-down CB vs. a single top pass rusher. That wasn't the question, and that doesn't address my point. Of course the secondary as a whole is easily as important (more so) as a single pass rusher.

Even if you go by single pass rusher look at what happened to us. Ware had 15.5 sacks yet Jenkings was toasted. So where did the great pass rusher solve the problem?

My point is having one without the other tends to cause major problems. Thus my Jack and Jill comparison. :laugh2: