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I take it you are high profile person and have had many run ins with allegations. Most lawyers want to control the situation. They put out well scripted statements so that what is said is not grossly misconstrued. The last thing they want is an emotionally charged client to say something that can be used as possible ammo in the next step. Better to keep your mouth shut and let them think one thing, then say something that can be used to reinforce what they think. Media is well versed in asking questions that can make an innocent person look guilty.

This is not true. If the client says they are 100% innocent and are wrongly accused, the attorneys will advise the client to say that to the public. It is criminal defense 101, and exactly the path Michael Irvin followed on the recent sexual assault allegation against him.
 

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All of them? Idk. Neither do you and that's the point.

If you take the rumors that you agree with sure. But that requires you to ignore the rest and then blame other people for doing what you're doing. Weird huh?

Could be. Lots of people in that circle don't talk to police for a number of reasons. From culture to warrants. Of course you want to take that and run with an anti-Cowboys narrative, but you're the boy who cried wolf here so no one buys it.


I'm neither. I don't tend to buy twitter rumors as definitive. Doing so would be ignorant. Zeke wasn't found guilty. Wasn't a subject of the investigation and was cleared by the NFL.
All of that vs. twitter means the people concluding he hit a DJ are the ignorant ones here.



You're the one basing your view on half of a rumor. Quit projecting.



Do you have any examples you can cite or is this just more of your own ignorance?
I don't even know where to start.

All of them. Yeah, it was a clin full of people, you cam see that on the video and unless Zeke was stamdimg there by himself and also not happened to see the guy who hit the DJ AND security did nothing than I would say its very logical to assume a lot more people thrn came forward knew something. It's stupid arguing this. Fine you win, a mysterious guy knocked out a guy right in front of Zeke, security didn't see him nor stop him from leaving, no one saw anything including Zeke, and the DJ didn't know who hit him but was aware enough to give false contact information. Makes perfect sense, I don't know why I didn't see this earlier. What other rumors am I ignoring? The one person who was a bouncer somehwhere else that disappeared after making the statement? Gotchya. As I said, you win.

Yeah, I'm sure lots of people in the trendy club have warrants. Again, I'm sure if I went in and knocked Zeke out then plenty of people would have seen it and come forward. I'm also pretty sure I wouldn't get two feet away without getting my azz kicked. If Zeke did get it are you telling me the same results would have happened? Dumb argument.

Have you even read enough to know what my view is or are you too busy cherry picking only words and sentences I've said. Even though I've literally said 100 times that I didn't think Zeke would get suspended and I think it will be reduced to zero to 3 games you still have a problem with my comments that his history raises concern and causes doubt.

Tank Johnson, TO, Hardy, Demarco, Pacman, etc. Crying that we're the only ones being targeted. Read the comment section of any article outside of this and see how many other fans criticize us for the same reasons of whining and crying when Jerry is the one who takes these players on. Even other athletes have said as much. I know every team has some die hard fans but after spending time on this MB I can see why we have this reputation. I get flamed just for being skeptical and concerned over a guy with a clear pattern of behavioral issues while everyone else makes lame excuses for him (not talking about the the DV case). Oh yeah, let's not forget about all the Mara BS. I promise there isn't one gan base that blames as many of their problems on one owner of another team then the Cowboys.
 

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This is not true. If the client says they are 100% innocent and are wrongly accused, the attorneys will advise the client to say that to the public. It is criminal defense 101, and exactly the path Michael Irvin followed on the recent sexual assault allegation against him.
This is not a criminal proceeding. It is probably closer to civil proceeding. His lawyers and the NFLPA probably are trying to limit exposure and ancillary info that the NFL could use against them.
 

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You have torn him apart without solid evidence in regards to who hit the dj? You even said it's part of his violent history. And because you admit to disliking him as a person it clouds your view.
And your point is what? I never said I didn't think he hit the dj and that is what I'm referring to with his violent history. And it's not because I dislike him that clouds my view, it's the reasons why I dislike him.
 

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You can can change the exif data and the file creation date etc. and it would not be impossible to determine it was modified.

Canon's custom verification was broken years ago. Tools exist to reset the verification after a file has been modified

Didn't know that.

Crazy
 

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Yeah I'd say 80-90% of people have no clue they ended up incident
Because the "rabid" mob that was convinced they did do what was alleged want nothing to do with the apology. They just moved onto the next incident where conclusions are jumped to and lives are wrecked.
 

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What are you are doing is shaming to discredit Elliott's character. What are you are doing is the equivalent of what should never happen to Tiffany Thompson and use things unrelated to this case (her profession, previous allegations, etc.) but the fact you are okay with doing that speaks volumes.
Elliot discredited his own character and if you don't think a pattern of someones character and past behavior influences someone's perception then you're very naive. I don't see you blasting the people here who brought up several times her history as it's unrelated to this case. Until the texts came out, that was the primary reason many people here assumed she was lying. That's fine if you don't agree with it but don't single me out because you don't happen to agree with my views on Zeke. Stay true to your word and call them out as well.
 
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Sorry, I guess he didn't specifically say three but he has been a multitude of car wrecks and joked/bragged about being in "bigger collisions". Point remains the same, a pattern of unlucky wrecks that he males light of through twitter or perhaps as with the bar fight, DV BS, weed store, boobie incident, etc that he continues to put himself in the wrong places at the wromg time. I'm sure many of you will say "have you seen the accident report, are you sure they were all his fault."? Again, this dude surrounds himself with questionable behavior.
 

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Sorry, I guess he didn't specifically say three but he has been a multitude of car wrecks and joked/bragged about being in "bigger collisions". Point remains the same, a pattern of unlucky wrecks that he males light of through twitter or perhaps as with the bar fight, DV BS, weed store, boobie incident, etc that he continues to put himself in the wrong places at the wromg time. I'm sure many of you will say "have you seen the accident report, are you sure they were all his fault."? Again, this dude surrounds himself with questionable behavior.
Zeke was a passenger in the only wreck I have heard.
 

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A good beating is what you see in my avi with cuts around the face along with bruises around the eyes and cheeks. Alternately you will see severe bruising on the back, buttocks and legs or around the torso and ribs when they kick you when you are down.

I don't think you have ever seen anyone what has been severely beaten before.

She looks like she got in a girl fight slapping and hair pulling where she threw a punch and did not hit squarely. That one on her neck looks like one you get when someone reaches to grab the back of your hair to pull it. That needs to be very clear, that bruise on her pinkie knuckle is an indication that she was an aggressor too. People don't do that to you. You do it to yourself.

Regardless of the severity of the injuries, how do they tie them to Zeke?
 

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Because the "rabid" mob that was convinced they did do what was alleged want nothing to do with the apology. They just moved onto the next incident where conclusions are jumped to and lives are wrecked.

Hard to shake that branding once it's on you...


::cough::wakeupNfL::cough::
 

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Zeke was a passenger in the only wreck I have heard.
Hopefully I'm doing this right. According to TMZ

"A witness tells us … Elliott was driving a “huge black GMC truck” which rear-ended a black BMW. Cops and Cowboys security responded to the scene. We’re told Zeke “looked frustrated” but was “extremely nice and polite” to everyone who stopped to check in on him." – TMZ Sports

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...elliott-involved-in-car-accident-no-injuries/
 

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This is not true. If the client says they are 100% innocent and are wrongly accused, the attorneys will advise the client to say that to the public. It is criminal defense 101, and exactly the path Michael Irvin followed on the recent sexual assault allegation against him.

Well you may have a point here. But guess what? Its not a criminal defense. Zeke is not on trail or being prosecuted for a crime. If he isn't under investigation by authorities then he does not need to say his innocent, especially if he didn't commit the crime.
 

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Hopefully I'm doing this right. According to TMZ

"A witness tells us … Elliott was driving a “huge black GMC truck” which rear-ended a black BMW. Cops and Cowboys security responded to the scene. We’re told Zeke “looked frustrated” but was “extremely nice and polite” to everyone who stopped to check in on him." – TMZ Sports

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...elliott-involved-in-car-accident-no-injuries/

I was referring to this one.

After the session ended, Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said Elliott would not practice Thursday and would return on Tuesday. He said Elliott was the passenger in a car that was rear-ended on Sunday night. The team learned about the incident on Monday, Garrett added.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ott-injures-head-in-car-crash-misses-practice
 

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I was referring to this one.

After the session ended, Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said Elliott would not practice Thursday and would return on Tuesday. He said Elliott was the passenger in a car that was rear-ended on Sunday night. The team learned about the incident on Monday, Garrett added.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ott-injures-head-in-car-crash-misses-practice
Haha...don't know what to tell you, conflicting information. Garrett said he wasn't the driver but an eye witness said he was. Who to believe? J/K I'm about ready to puke with all this he said/she said and witness talk.
 

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This may have been already mentioned (I didn't have time to post it yesterday when it struck me)...but when you review the text exchanges between Tiffany and Zeke (and others for that matter), does it strike anyone as odd that she just refers to "just got beat up" (paraphrase) in the most generic of terms? I mean, why didn't she say it directly that YOU beat me up as opposed to using this very political way of expressing herself (i.e., calling something out without naming names or attributing fault/guilt). Was she trying to protect her then on-again off-again boyfriend? That doesn't seem likely since she is willing to frame him later through her solicitation of her friend to lie as well as the contemplation of blackmail over the sex tapes.

So if the beating (and resulting bruises) she received came from Zeke as she asserted, then why doesn't she address him about it directly? Why the use of passive voice? That's very odd to me...what are other thoughts on that particular part of the exchange?
 

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This may have been already mentioned (I didn't have time to post it yesterday when it struck me)...but when you review the text exchanges between Tiffany and Zeke (and others for that matter), does it strike anyone as odd that she just refers to "just got beat up" (paraphrase) in the most generic of terms? I mean, why didn't she say it directly that YOU beat me up as opposed to using this very political way of expressing herself (i.e., calling something out without naming names or attributing fault/guilt). Was she trying to protect her then on-again off-again boyfriend? That doesn't seem likely since she is willing to frame him later through her solicitation of her friend to lie as well as the contemplation of blackmail over the sex tapes.

So if the beating (and resulting bruises) she received came from Zeke as she asserted, then why doesn't she address him about it directly? Why the use of passive voice? That's very odd to me...what are other thoughts on that particular part of the exchange?
Thought maybe that was when the girl beat her up at the night club?..

I had trouble following the text exchange.
 
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