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More Mayock: Cowboys did well in Lions trade for Roy Williams

by Tom Kowalski
Tuesday February 10, 2009, 3:05 PM

Mike Mayock, draft expert for the NFL Network, held a conference call with media from around the country today and here is Part Two of the highlights:

--- A writer from Dallas asked Mayock if, looking back, the Cowboys' trade with Detroit was a good one. The Lions got a first- and third-round pick in exchange for receiver Roy Williams. The Lions now have the Cowboys' 20th overall pick.


"Roy Williams is a pretty good football player,'' Mayock said. "To think you're going to get a guy who can be as productive as him (at No. 20), that's a little bit of a leap of faith. (Michael) Crabtree and (Jeremy) Maclin are going to be gone. (Darrius) Heyward-Bay is probably gone, too. Percy Harvin maybe, but he reminds me more of Reggie Bush than a traditional receiver.

"That's the long way of saying I think they're pretty good with Roy Williams.''

--- The Lions are going to be looking for guards in this draft but Mayock said the overall group is "poor compared to the last few years.'' Mayock does like the center position and said some of those guys could be moved to guard.

--- Mayock said he expects Mississippi tackle Michael Oher to go in the top 15 picks. He said Oher has all the physical tools to be a top 10 pick, but that his play is too inconsistent from snap to snap.

--- Mayock is very high on Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew. "He won't run 4.6 - a lot of coaches want him to run slow so he'll slide. He should go 15th to 20th. He's a good blocker and catches the ball well but he doesn't have explosive speed.''

Mayock also said that Southern Mississippi tight end Shawn Nelson has made a big impression: "At the Senior Bowl, he was as good as anybody. He knocked (Rey) Maualuga on his butt in a couple of drills. He's a willing blocker, but not a great blocker. He has innate toughness.''

--- On the 40-yard dash times for defensive backs, Mayock thinks people put too much emphasis on them. Part of the problem, he says, is that the players start from a three-point stance so it's more of a track skill than a football one.

"How often does a cornerback go into a three-point stance?'' Mayock said. "If a guy runs a 4.6 and then learns how to run out of the blocks and runs a 4.48, is he really any faster as a football player?

"I love the competition of the combine but sometimes where people get burned is when they fall in love with speed and times.''

--- Someone asked Mayock about Seattle's pick at No. 4 and he mentioned offensive tackles and possibly Crabtree, adding "It's too early for B.J. Raji.''

--- About West Virginia quarterback Pat White, Mayock said, "He's one of my favorite guys in the draft. He has the 'it' factor. I don't care how big he is or how accurate he is, but I want him on my team. To me, he's the best Wildcat quarterback in the league right now - he's better than anybody (currently) in the league. As long as he buys into the 'play slot and return punts and do whatever I have to do' ... if he does, he's a second-round guy. I don't know if people have him that high.''

--- About Iowa running back Shonn Greene: " He's got to win the interview (at the combine). I'm really not concerned with him on the field, but there are a bunch of off-field issues he has to deal with. I think he'll be fortunate to slip into the second round - I have five running backs rated ahead of him.''


http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/02/more_mayock_cowboys_did_well_i.html
 
I would love to have Pat White in Dallas. :starspin






Shut up Paint!
 
I've got a new respect for Mayock, he made some good calls last year on guys like Flowers who I hated at the time but played pretty darn well on a pretty bad team.
 
--- On the 40-yard dash times for defensive backs, Mayock thinks people put too much emphasis on them. Part of the problem, he says, is that the players start from a three-point stance so it's more of a track skill than a football one.

"How often does a cornerback go into a three-point stance?'' Mayock said. "If a guy runs a 4.6 and then learns how to run out of the blocks and runs a 4.48, is he really any faster as a football player?

"I love the competition of the combine but sometimes where people get burned is when they fall in love with speed and times.''
:clap2:
 
TheCount;2632432 said:
I've got a new respect for Mayock, he made some good calls last year on guys like Flowers who I hated at the time but played pretty darn well on a pretty bad team.
Flowers and Eddie Royal were my 2 most coveted players in last year's draft.

Yea, I'm that good.
 
Rampage;2632436 said:
--- On the 40-yard dash times for defensive backs, Mayock thinks people put too much emphasis on them. Part of the problem, he says, is that the players start from a three-point stance so it's more of a track skill than a football one.

"How often does a cornerback go into a three-point stance?'' Mayock said. "If a guy runs a 4.6 and then learns how to run out of the blocks and runs a 4.48, is he really any faster as a football player?

"I love the competition of the combine but sometimes where people get burned is when they fall in love with speed and times.''
:clap2:

I also agree with this. They should have them run in pads also. But thats probably just me.
 
I really think this guy is about as spot on as anyone n the business at his craft. He is one of the few guys who seems to know what he is talking about and is willing to stand in the trenches and defend his position, even when others don't agree with him.
 
Rampage;2632436 said:
--- On the 40-yard dash times for defensive backs, Mayock thinks people put too much emphasis on them. Part of the problem, he says, is that the players start from a three-point stance so it's more of a track skill than a football one.

"How often does a cornerback go into a three-point stance?'' Mayock said. "If a guy runs a 4.6 and then learns how to run out of the blocks and runs a 4.48, is he really any faster as a football player?

"I love the competition of the combine but sometimes where people get burned is when they fall in love with speed and times.''
:clap2:

That was the best part of it to me as well. I was glad to see him point that out. Mayock is the guy I enjoy listening to the most when it comes to the combine and the draft and such.
 
Verdict;2632447 said:
I really think this guy is about as spot on as anyone n the business at his craft. He is one of the few guys who seems to know what he is talking about and is willing to stand in the trenches and defend his position, even when others don't agree with him.

He's also wrong like everyone else though, he thought Vernon Gholston was the second coming of Merriman, and while it's early, Gholston has looked like a major bust so far.
 
Dallas;2632425 said:
I would love to have Pat White in Dallas. :starspin






Shut up Paint!

Heck no I won't...the few times we agree on something we should celebrate.:laugh2:
 
I still love the trade. With TO being cut, who would that leave us? I guess Boldin would be a possibility.
 
TheCount;2632470 said:
He's also wrong like everyone else though, he thought Vernon Gholston was the second coming of Merriman, and while it's early, Gholston has looked like a major bust so far.
Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
 
Mayock is my favorite too.

I'm actually kind of relieved to hear him say that about Roy Williams. But I don't think we will ever see Roy really shine as long as TO is here. If Roy is a #1, let's act like it.

I'm willing to forget about a lot of the things that Roy has popped off so far because I think there is some pressure and frustration when huge things are expected out of you and you come home. He didn't do much this year, and I think there could be several reasons for that. But he's going to have to do more next year. I think and hope he can.
 
Since Joel Buchsbam passed away, there hasn't been a draft guy that I've really put a lot of stock in what they say... but Mayock is probably closer to him than anyone else out there.
 
TheCount;2632432 said:
I've got a new respect for Mayock, he made some good calls last year on guys like Flowers who I hated at the time but played pretty darn well on a pretty bad team.

He also absolutely loved the Felix Jones pick when 90% of Cowboys fans thought it was the worst pick of all time.
 
AsthmaField;2632541 said:
Since Joel Buchsbam passed away, there hasn't been a draft guy that I've really put a lot of stock in what they say... but Mayock is probably closer to him than anyone else out there.

Don't think i've ever agreed with any one post more.
 
Dallas;2632425 said:
I would love to have Pat White in Dallas. :starspin






Shut up Paint!

didn't we try that with Stanback? :banghead:
 
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