Morris Claiborne

[Fredd]

Mo showed some improvement in the 2nd half last week...I truly think anyone can get beaten by the current Broncos team, but he did show a little bit...this week, we'll see if the improvement continues...this is certainly a different type of QB so the corners will have to cover a little longer when the turd, I mean the third starts running around

I, like people who actually watch the game, don't over-react when someone plays poorly...this guy is talented and along with Carr and Scandrick, are a pretty good unit IMO...the scheme is somewhat at fault for the huge # of yards given up, but this scheme is premised upon getting to the QB...the DL just hasn't done that of late..no pressure means a bad day for the defense

Mo will be fine, be patient all ye bridge jumpers

 

[Ren]

He's not really improving, that's the problem i have with the pick at this moment.

We drafted him cause he was this can miss sure fire shutdown CB, well if he was, wouldn't we at the very least have seen some flashes of that by now? For what we gave up expectations should be nothing less then Patrick Peterson anything short of that makes him a bust IMO

 

[Fredd]

I know he hasn't shown a lot yet, but I think he started showing signs of improvement in the Denver game (sorry, should have elaborated more)...it just appeared to my eye that he was different, more aggressive against Denver...if he stays aggressive, plays up on his man, I think he will show A LOT of improvement vs the first 4 games of the season...I am looking to just see him do the same this week and get a little better...the WR's of Washington aren't stellar (not bad, just not stellar)...should provide a decent litmus test to see if he truly has improved to any degree

 

[Bay10]

I know he hasn't shown a lot yet, but I think he started showing signs of improvement in the Denver game (sorry, should have elaborated more)...it just appeared to my eye that he was different, more aggressive against Denver...if he stays aggressive, plays up on his man, I think he will show A LOT of improvement vs the first 4 games of the season...I am looking to just see him do the same this week and get a little better...the WR's of Washington aren't stellar (not bad, just not stellar)...should provide a decent litmus test to see if he truly has improved to any degree

I believe he looked alot better in the 2nd half against denver.

 

[Fletch]

Guy just isn't very good.

Ok, whatever.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

He's not really improving, that's the problem i have with the pick at this moment.

We drafted him cause he was this can miss sure fire shutdown CB, well if he was, wouldn't we at the very least have seen some flashes of that by now? For what we gave up expectations should be nothing less then Patrick Peterson anything short of that makes him a bust IMO

He was much better in the second half of the Denver game when we started playing more press man.

 

[theogt]

Revis was thrown at 86 times in 2011 (23rd most in the league) and 111 times in 2009 (3rd most in the league). He was the best corner in the league, easily, both years. Peterson was thron at 95 times last year (18th most in league). Nnamdi was hardly ever thrown at because he played one side, never followed the opposing team's best receiver, his opposing corners sucked, and he had safety help.

If you think a corner should be evaluated solely by one stat without taking into account any of the thousands of details and subtleties involved then you're doing the same thing you accused me of doing in your first post, just with a different metric. Stats mean nothing without context.

A corner who always plays zone and cannot play man will have fewer passes thrown his way, naturally, then a corner who can play cover zero man. But if peterson can play even adequate coverage in that scheme then the entire rest of the field will be overloaded with defenders and shut down. Football is about formations, schemes, matchups. If your stat doesn't take that into account it's really not worth much...

All teams play roughly the same amount of man and zone coverage with a few outliers. You can't simply say a corner plays predominantly zone or man, because they're all required to play multiple coverages throughout any single game and most certainly throughout a season.

Peterson gave up more yards and more receptions per coverage snap than Morris did in 2012. Both were pretty mediocre in those stats. The only thing Peterson had going for him is the INTs, and those were all just luck except for one good play by Peterson, just like Claiborne's INT was luck against Manning. Luck can come and go, but a corner's ability to prevent yards and catches temds to stay pretty consistent over longer periods of time. In no way, shape or form was Peterson's 2012 season "elite".

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It reminds me why they are stuck as an 8-8 team. It also reminds me if the piss poor GM that is in Dallas and that his replacement is his son that stinks as bad as his father.

I'll take our drafting since 2010 9 ways from Sunday.

 

[CyberB0b]

The only thing Peterson had going for him is the INTs, and those were all just luck except for one good play by Peterson,

Success is when preparation and opportunity meet. You don't get 7 picks in a season on luck. Fast forward to :55 to see the magic happen.



I know you like to claim that tipped pass by Brady is a gift, but look at that. He extended for a 1 handed grab, out of position. Its around 1:40

 

[Wood]

we should probably stop the Claiborne/Peterson comparisons. They headed in separate directions since college.

 

[CyberB0b]

we should probably stop the Claiborne/Peterson comparisons. They headed in separate directions since college.

Apparently, not everyone agrees.

 

[theogt]

Success is when preparation and opportunity meet. You don't get 7 picks in a season on luck. Fast forward to :55 to see the magic happen.



I know you like to claim that tipped pass by Brady is a gift, but look at that. He extended for a 1 handed grab, out of position. Its around 1:40

Who was he covering in that play? No one. He was just out in space and a tipped pass came down 3 yards from where he happened to be standing. A one handed grab is great and all, but it wasn't his coverage ability that got him that INT. I judge corners based on their coverage ability, so that INT is completely meaningless to me. I don't argue that he doesn't have athletic ability -- just like I don't argue that his special teams ability is valuable. But that special teams ability provides no insight to me as to whether his 2012 cornerback play was "elite" or not.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He's not really improving, that's the problem i have with the pick at this moment.

We drafted him cause he was this can miss sure fire shutdown CB, well if he was, wouldn't we at the very least have seen some flashes of that by now?

Like I said before, I've seen a missed training camp, two different defensive schemes and injuries in his 18 months since being drafted. Those are not excuses just the facts. It might be a little early to run the 'he 's not really improvingl' flag up the pole just yet.

 

[CyberB0b]

Who was he covering in that play? No one. He was just out in space and a tipped pass came down 3 yards from where he happened to be standing. A one handed grab is great and all, but it wasn't his coverage ability that got him that INT. I judge corners based on their coverage ability, so that INT is completely meaningless to me. I don't argue that he doesn't have athletic ability -- just like I don't argue that his special teams ability is valuable. But that special teams ability provides no insight to me as to whether his 2012 cornerback play was "elite" or not.

So what has Mo shown in his coverage ability, other than getting roasted week in, week out? I will agree that Peterson isn't a cover corner, but he is a playmaker. Mo is neither.

 

[Nexx]

Success is when preparation and opportunity meet. You don't get 7 picks in a season on luck. Fast forward to :55 to see the magic happen.



I know you like to claim that tipped pass by Brady is a gift, but look at that. He extended for a 1 handed grab, out of position. Its around 1:40

looked at the highlights, his batted passes are more impressive to me. other than the deflected pass interceptions that he gets, all the others are against if you dont notice, sam bradford, matt sanchez and other horrible QBS.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I sort of wish we had drafted another CB in that draft. Claiborne isn't looking #6 overall good. Hopefully he gets it together.

 

[theogt]

So what has Mo shown in his coverage ability, other than getting roasted week in, week out? I will agree that Peterson isn't a cover corner, but he is a playmaker. Mo is neither.

Mo hasn't been good this year -- though some here are severely overblowing it. I'm not sure what the reason is for his performance. Could be that he's just not that good.

Regardless, he had a better year statistically in 2012 if we're using the "cover corner" measure, which is what the earlier discussion was about.

 

[CyberB0b]

Mo hasn't been good this year -- though some here are severely overblowing it. I'm not sure what the reason is for his performance. Could be that he's just not that good.

Regardless, he had a better year statistically in 2012 if we're using the "cover corner" measure, which is what the earlier discussion was about.

There aren't good statistics for measuring a CB's coverage ability. It is very subjective, just like measuring an offensive lineman's production.

 

[theogt]

There aren't good statistics for measuring a CB's coverage ability. It is very subjective, just like measuring an offensive lineman's production.

There are excellent statistics available. But I can't force you not to ignore facts that don't suit your predisposition.