Mort on the Patriots situation...

[DasTex]

 

[Royal Laegotti]

:laugh2:
I think that's the best clothing I've seen Belicheat wear!

 

[zeromaster]

Shouldn't the equipment that is used to communicate between qb and coach be controlled by the NFL? I don't begin to state that I understand how all the electronics are setup, but I get the impression that the home team get some control over the setup. This just seems stupid to me.

They changed the rule and now have a new official that oversees the kicking balls throughout the game. This seems like something that should be completely controlled by the NFL with no knowledge of the inner workings divulged to the teams. Just give them their headsets and helmets with speakers and thats it.

If the Pats are able to jam signals and bring other teams communications down at will, that is complete BS. Talk about being able to derail an offense. From the sound of it, the Pats had ways of gaining unfair advantage against the opponents defeense (signal stealing) and offence (electronics jamming).

Jamming signals really is even worse that stealing signals in my opinion. If this is proven, then I want blood!

BBQ

Maybe this guy can help you out...

 

[adbutcher]

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The respective franchises...

Dallas Cowboys
1992 season - "We killed the Bills!"
1993 season - "The Bills ain't got nothing on us!"
1994 season - "Miscues and bad calls were barely enough to keep us out of the Super Bowl!"
1995 season - "We can even win with Switzer!"

New England Patriots
2001 season - "Hi, I'm Adam Vinatieri! Glad I got into position for this game winning kick!"
2002 season - ~ The Pats are experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by... ~
2003 season - "Hi, I'm Adam Vinatieri! Glad I got into position for this game winning kick!"
2004 season - "Hi, I'm Adam Vinatieri! Glad I got into position for this game winning kick!"
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Nice.

I get over most everything in life. I still get angry about 1994.
2002. Very clever.

 

[Eddie]

When home teams would open and close wind tunnels during FG's ... does that count as cheating?

I remember distinctly how teams would complain about playing in Detroit, and how the home team would control the opening and closing of wind tunnels during FG attempts.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Here is what I found interesting about Belichik's comments today. He said they don't use the information in that game. Basically admitting the information secretly and wrongfully gathered is used for future reference.

With that comment in mind I thought back to the Pats/Rams SB and remembered that the Patriots played the Rams in the regular season that year and the Rams won. Of course in the SB, the Patriots made the "defensive adjustments" that allowed them to basically shut down the Rams offense. The media, of course, gave all the credit for that great defensive effort to the Great Belichik.

Is there any doubt Belichik took recorded information from that first game and used it to his advantage in the SB?

Uh, yes, there is doubt. Their recordings tell them about the other team's DEFENSIVE signals, which should allow them to make OFFENSIVE adjustments. He probably did use recorded information to his advantage, but not on that side of the ball.

 

[L-O-Jete]

When home teams would open and close wind tunnels during FG's ... does that count as cheating?

I remember distinctly how teams would complain about playing in Detroit, and how the home team would control the opening and closing of wind tunnels during FG attempts.

The Gints do this too. Who can forget the snowplow coming in for the GW field goal...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Here is what I found interesting about Belichik's comments today. He said they don't use the information in that game. Basically admitting the information secretly and wrongfully gathered is used for future reference.

With that comment in mind I thought back to the Pats/Rams SB and remembered that the Patriots played the Rams in the regular season that year and the Rams won. Of course in the SB, the Patriots made the "defensive adjustments" that allowed them to basically shut down the Rams offense. The media, of course, gave all the credit for that great defensive effort to the Great Belichik.

Is there any doubt Belichik took recorded information from that first game and used it to his advantage in the SB?

I am not buying that he didnt use it in same game. Teams could change things up for second meeting and Bullicheat would have nothing.

He is trying not to diminish Sunday's win. Damage control.

 

[Doomsday]

I heard Mort on Mike & Mike while driving into work this morning. Here are some of the highlights...

• Many teams have resorted to bringing their own hard-wire headsets when they play at NE.

That statement right there tells it all. Seems like everyone in the league knew the Pats have been cheating, they just finally caught em. Its one thing to try to read lips etc. its entirely different to sabotage youre opponents equipment and to go to the lengths they went to steal signals. If they doing that it wouldnt be too shocking if they were bugging thier opponents locker room as well.

 

[utrunner07]

If all of what he said is true or even 1/4 of it, this better not be the last we hear of it. If that stuff is true Belicheck should be kicked out of the league the superbowls should be given away, and they should have to fire their entire coaching staff, maybe even forfeit the season. I thought that the penalty they recieved was almost fair, maybe a 1 or 2 game suspension would have made it fair, but now that all of this is coming out...its a joke of a penality...

kick belichech out...

 

[TunaFan33]

Here's my take on Goodell's ruling:

Yes, Belicheat has finally been exposed-However, with the punishment being KINDA LIGHT, I'm wondering if OTHER teams have been cheating in this same magnitude as well(i.e. Pitt in '05).

Seriously, if it ever comes out that MANY teams are doing this(or heck, if the refs are involved), it could seriously DAMAGE the credibility of the entire NFL.

As for Belichick-we should have KNOWN something was fishy in NE-for one, he proved in Cleveland he, like Norv Turner, is a coordinator, NOT an HC. Pt being you are who you are-you just don't go from being a ****** coach to being a Lombardi type overnight.

 

[jazzcat22]

Hope we do not do this.......if we did, we stunk at that also since 1995

That's because Rowdy was in charge of it....