Mosely: Patriots Vs. 92' Cowboys

LeonDixson

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Yakuza Rich;2232220 said:
First off, the Pats are cheating scumbags...thus all of their achievements come into question.

Secondly, the economics of the game alone suggest that just about any SB team before the salary cap was likely better than any SB team after the salary cap.

Personally, I think the '89 Niners would obliterate the Pats so bad that it would be embarrassing.





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I do too. Ronnie Lott would have creamed Moss and Welker and they would have had 6 inch alligator arms the rest of the game. Montana and Rice would have made mincemeat out of the Cheats secondary.

A more legitimate debate would revolve around the '89 Whiners vs the '92 or '93 Cowboys. I think the Cowboys would have won, but at least it's a reasonable debate. The '07 Cheats? pffft They couldn't hold a candle to either team.

Edit: change '08 Cheats to '07 Cheats.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2231658 said:
1992
34-10 over Philly. We curshed them. Those were the Reggie White, Clyde Simmons, Jerome Brown teams. Divisional Game.

Jerome Brown was killed in June of 1992, so Dallas did not face him in the playoffs. Still that was a dominate defense the Eagles fielded and Dallas crushed them.

I too find it funny that he compares offensive players to other offensive players. It is what can the Dallas offense do against the Pats defense and what can the Pats offense do to the Cowboys defense.

I think the Pats offense of 2007 is pretty formidable. Still if you can create pressure on Brady, the offense will stall. The Cowboys teams of the early 90s could create pressure similar to what the Giants did in the SB. The Pats teams that actually won SBs were not as good offensively as their 2007 version.

The Cowboys offense was methodical. They would be able to move the ball and score against the Pats defense. The Pats stopped the Pats by shutting down Marvin Harrison every year in the playoffs by being physical. Michael Irvin is not Marvin Harrison. He would not get pushed around. Trying to do that would work right into Irvin's hands.
 

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Dimuha;2232185 said:
The '93 Cowboys were the most talented team ever and the best Cowboy team of that era. Remember, we weren't even favourites to win the NFC in '92, in '93 we came in as favourites and won it all.

Didn't the '93 Cowboys start off with 2 losses, one at home to Buffacrap due to Emmitt holding out?
 

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The Pats couldn't even beat the Giants in the Super Bowl.

How the heck does anyone think they could have beaten our 1992 Super Bowl team?
 

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Woods;2232293 said:
The Pats couldn't even beat the Giants in the Super Bowl.

How the heck does anyone think they could have beaten our 1992 Super Bowl team?
Do you know what we have done to Eli Manning. Do you know what would have happened to that undersized DL of the Giants? We would have beaten them like we beat the Bills!
 

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bbailey423;2232342 said:
Do you know what we have done to Eli Manning. Do you know what would have happened to that undersized DL of the Giants? We would have beaten them like we beat the Bills!

Worse. Much worse unless we put the 2nd team in at halftime.
 

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I swear, some people just don't get it.

Free Agency, Salary Cap, and Expansion has totally diluted the National Football League to the point that there is no way any team can amass the kind of talent and depth teams did before 1993.

In 1994, San Francisco had to wait for the Cowboys to be diluted of talent so they could cheat their win in Super Bowl XXIX.

In 1996 (after a very diluted 1995 Cowboys team was still the best in the NFL), Green Bay had to wait for Dallas and San Francisco to weaken so they could win a Super Bowl.

In 1998 (FIVE YEARS after salary cap, free agency, and expansion has diluted the entire NFC and Buffalo) John Elway could finally win a Super Bowl.

Don't you see folks, it is not the fact that these teams got better. It is the fact that all the teams got worse due to the dilution of talent. Fans from all teams today are paying unbelievable money to enjoy a product of much lesser quality.

So to compare the Patriots of this decade to any of the teams from the 70s, 80s, and early 90s, is totally rediculous!
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2231658 said:
In 92, I believe the NFL was a better product. I believe this because at the time, you could have a team that went three deep at every position. You can't do that in this day and age. I have never really believed that the Pats were a dominating team offensively. Good, yes, but not great. I also think that it's stupid to compare last years team to our champoinship teams. If you want to compare the Pats 01, 03 or 04 teams, then that's fine but not the 07 team. They are not deserving. They may have gone 16-0 in the regular season but the line for 2nd best starts there at the door. You don't get to sit at the table unless it says championship after your name. 19-1, while very impressive, don't cut it in a discussion of champions.

This is what I would say about those teams.

2001
16-13 over Oakland in the Divisional Playoffs. The Brady Rule
24-17 over Pittsburgh in the Conference Championship.
20-17 over the Rams in the Super Bowl. AV won that game.

2003
17-14 over the Titans in the Divisional Playoffs.
24-14 over the Colts in the Conference Championship.
32-29 over Carolina in the Super Bowl. AV won that game again.

2004
20-3 over Indy. They dominated the Colts in the Divisional.
41-27 over Pittsburgh. They dominated the Steelers in the Conference.
24-21 over Philly. Anybody but Philly and they probably lose. Eagles are the consimate chock artist organization in professional sports. Any QB who can keep his lunch down probably beats them. Only TO showed up in that game. Even still, AV won it for them again.


1992
34-10 over Philly. We curshed them. Those were the Reggie White, Clyde Simmons, Jerome Brown teams. Divisional Game.
30-20 over San Fran. Probaby the 2nd best team in the league by a considerable margin. We beat them in SF convincingly. Conference Game.
52-17 over the Bills. HOF QB, RB and WR talent on that offense. Best Defense in the league IMO. We crushed them. Super Bowl.

1993
27-17 over GB. We owned possibly the greatest QB (statistically speaking) in the history of the game. Really was not close. Divisional Game.
38-21 over San Fran. Again, we dominated what was probably the 2nd best team in the league at the time. HOF QB, HOF WR, convincingly. Conference Championship.
30-13 over the Bills. Not as one sided but again, we dominated them. Was never really in doubt. Not even close. Super Bowl.

1995
30-11 over Philly. Again, we owned one of the truely great defenses in the history of the NFL. Our OL dominated them. Divisional Game.
38-17 over Packers. Broken record stuff but again, we simply dictated to Brett Favre and that Green Bay offense. Conference Game.
27-17 over Pittsburgh. Closest game we played in playoffs or Championship throughout our run. Having said that, it was still never really close or even in doubt. We never trailed in that game. Heck, two of the 4 quarters of that football game, we held the Steelers scoreless. It is only considered close because we were so dominant in all of our previous victories. It was never really close. Super Bowl.

Compare the two championship runs and you see that the Cowboys were truely dominant. Where as, the Pats, while great, needed Vini to win every one of there championships. Without that kicker, they probably never make this discussion.

The truth is the truth in that regard.

I have said this many times. I have seen great teams. I have seen teams that might even be better, in certain phases of the game, then our great teams of the early 90s. Having said that, I have never seen a unit more dominating then our OL of those years. They simply could impose there will on any opposing unit. I have never seen any defense that could stand against them. I consider the Philly Defense of that same period to be the best defensive line I've ever seen. They were owned. As great as Seymour and Wilfork might be, they are not even in the same league with The great Reggie White, Simmons or Brown.

The San Francisco Offense of that same period were light years better then any offense New England has ever fielded in the history of there organization. Brady is a great QB but it just doesn't compare. Young (HOF), Rice (perhaps the greatest WR of all time), Brent Jones (Probably future HOF TE), Ricky Watters, Tom Rathman, John Taylor? San Francisco was by far, a better team IMO, then New England. I give New England there due but IMO, they were not even as good as those San Francisco teams we beat to get to the Super Bowl.

It's a matter of where the league is at then and now. The league, IMO, was simply better then then now. To me, all the rest is BS. I believe that those early 90s teams are the best ever. I don't believe that any team could defeat them because I don't believe that any defense is good enough to stop that OL. Defensively, we more then held our own with one of the greatest offenses in the history of the game in San Fran. You can't tell me that we would be overmatched by any offense that has played in any Super Bowl, ever.

This is what I believe. When you break down all the teams, I just believe that those teams are better than anybody. Only the 85 Bears make me wonder and really, not even them because I believe that, while they had great players on defense, we knew how to beat that 46. That's the biggest advanatage that team had IMO and we understood it because of Ryan and the Eagles. Seriously, I just think they were the best an nobody will ever convince me differently.

Excellent post.

The Patriots wouldn't stand a chance against our teams of the 90's.
 

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bbailey423;2231836 said:
The Patriots have won all 3 of their Super Bowls by A COMBINED 9 points.....against teams that had little to none Super Bowl pedigree (Rams, Carolina, Eagles)...with the Eagles and Carolina being in the Super Bowl for the FIRST TIME


Then there was the fumble that was not called a fumble against the Raiders makes there Super Bowl run a question to me.


The Cowboys had to go through war to even get to the Super Bowls...remember the NFC East won back to back to back Super Bowls from 90 - 92. So we had to beat teams with Super Bowl pedigree to even get out of our division. Then the Cowboys had to defeat teams with Super Bowl pedigree (49ers, Packers) to get to the Super Bowl. And all of these teams have HOFers. Are there any HOFers on the Panthers or Eagles?

Then the Cowboys actually beat teams WITH Super Bowl pedigree (Bills, Steelers)...and our smallest margin of victory (10 point win over Steelers)...is larger than ALL THREE PATS MARGIN OF SUPER BOWL VICTORIES COMBINED

And let's not forget what Dallas used to do to 3-4 defenses....being a major catalyst for the demise of the 3-4.

And lastly there is spygate....if you know what someone is going to do, then shouldn't you be able to win by more than 3 points?

Did I mention how bad the AFC East is/was during there run?

Did I mention we changes head coaches during our run?

Did I mention we lost offensive and defensive coordinators during our run? How many Super Bowls have the Pats won without Weiss and Crenell?

Another excellent post.

The Patriots dynasty was tarnished with Spygate. And it's ironic that the 3 Superbowls they cheated in they won by 3 points, but the one Superbowl they didn't cheat in they lost by 3 points.
 
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