Mosley: For Boys' Roy, there's safety in number$ -- interesting Ogletree comments

[RS12]

It's not his ego.

You are dreaming. Jerry made what amounts to a god awful trade and grossly overpaid for RW. Jerry, you know the GM. He will be personally embarassed if this ends the way alot of people envision. Jerry has an ego bigger than the stadium.

 

[silverbear]

Jerry Jones the bumbling idiot in front of a mic....

And it couldn't possibly be that Jerry is playing psychological games with these quotes, a la Jimmy...

He couldn't be trying to light an offseason fire under Ogletree, a player he has often praised... and he couldn't be trying to get Roy to relax, and just focus on the job ahead of him, rather than letting the negative media get to him...

Sometimes I really like Moseley's insights, but sometimes I get the notion he doesn't really think things through... especially when it comes to what Jerry says with a microphone in front of him...

Of course, a lot of posters in here share that failing... they just figure that Jerry has a bad case of hoof in mouth disease, and never even ponder that he's chosen his words quite deliberately, and has a reason for saying what he's saying...

 

[67CowboysFan]

I wonder where this caricature of Jerry Jones came about. Does anybody really think he'd be embarrassed because his scouting department missed on what amounts to a mid first-round pick after two seasons of trying to make it work? The issue is that Jones committed big money to Williams and wants a return on that investment. It's not his ego.

This doesn't make any real difference to Cowboy fans, since the effect on the starting lineup is the same, and it doesn't make much logical sense since RW guaranteed salary is a sunk cost anyway, but there it is. For some reason, it's easier to make the owner into an egotistical buffoon with these little shots. Relax. Jerry will give us enough real shots of his ego given time. No need to be jumping at shadows to sell some advertising.

Re: Ogletree, there must be an issue there with motivation to work hard. I don't think the owner, OC, or his position coach would just make it up. Hopefully, they're pushing the right buttons and pulling the right strings to make him into a long-time, full-time starter for us.

Maybe Jerry is just trying to get all his players to work as hard as people like Miles work. He's already jabbed Marty B a couple times with the cattle prod this offseason. I think it is a pretty clear message to the players in general. We have some people that take their position on this team very seriously and work very hard to keep improving. If you want to be a member of this team you have to work hard. :starspin

 

[gmoney112]

You can say whatever you want, but do you honestly believe if Roy is NOT the 2nd best receiver we have that he won't start? Therein lies the rub.

 

[JustDezIt]

And it couldn't possibly be that Jerry is playing psychological games with these quotes, a la Jimmy...

He couldn't be trying to light an offseason fire under Ogletree, a player he has often praised... and he couldn't be trying to get Roy to relax, and just focus on the job ahead of him, rather than letting the negative media get to him...

This is exactly what i thought as i read the article. I really hope this is the case and that this is all part of the plan.

 

[Woods]

I do think that JJ is being dead serious on a lot of fronts this off-season.

With respect to complacency, I think JJ learned a lot the season after the 13-3 season. He doesn't want a repeat.

With respect to the wideouts and RW and Ogletree: I think JJ believes that RW can revert back to his "old" form and has the ability to significantly improve upon his 2009 performance as long as he continues to work with Romo. If RW can do that, he will be the number 2 wideout. In fact, I think JJ expects RW to achieve that.

With respect to Ogletree: While all of us are excited regarding his abilities, he needs to keep working hard. I remember one particular interview that Ogletree had after he made the 53 man roster. Ogletree himself admitted that he wasn't the best practice player at Virginia. (The reason Ogletree responded in such a fashion is that the Cowboys announcers couldn't understand how Ogletree was not drafted.)

Since college, he seems to have become a lot more serious.

But let's also consider that thus far in the off-season and in evaluating prospects that the Cowboys are looking at a lot of wideouts. I think there is a very good chance we draft one this year. There will likely be competition for that 4th/5th wideout spot this year. So, when JJ says that Ogletree has to continue to push himself to make the roster, it's especially going to hold true if we draft another receiver - esp if that draft pick is a good STs player. (Clearly Hurd's spot will also be in jeopardy.)

 

[tunahelper]

That's right. But there were some comments by Wade where they kinda had to prod him to show them why they kept him on the roster.

Wade mentioned they had to jump Otree for dogging his routes on the scout team. He stated after the talk improvements were shown.

Otree was probably disgruntled because he thought he should of been playing more...

 

[daschoo]

Can writers not see that these two things are not necessarily incompatible?

Phillips said the best player is going to play (and later indicated that he considers Williams the best one).

Jones said he can't envision Williams not starting, because Jones also believes Williams is the best player.

Neither is guaranteeing Williams a starting spot, but saying they see Williams as the starter. It's up to Williams to prove worthy of that trust, which I think is the real gist of what Phillips was saying.

Both have acknowledged that Williams didn't have the type of season they envisioned, but that doesn't mean to don't still have faith in him.

yes they can but wheres the sensationalist angle in that?

 

[dbair1967]

You are dreaming. Jerry made what amounts to a god awful trade and grossly overpaid for RW. Jerry, you know the GM. He will be personally embarassed if this ends the way alot of people envision. Jerry has an ego bigger than the stadium.

A trade which 90% of the people on this board thought for a year or so had to be made by the way.

I'm sure Jones wants RW to prove he was worth the deal, why wouldnt he? Any GM that goes out and gets any high profile player whether its an early round pick, big free agent signing or via a trade wants the move to work. It has nothing to do with "ego"

 

[Alexander]

And I think all Jones' message was to Ogletree is that he's a young guy who has to continue working to prove himself. Don't want to let him get complacent by insuring his roster spot.

The message is simple. If Ogletree just works hard, shows well in practice and above all, earns a nice contract that would embarass the owner if he were to be benched, he too could have an iron clad insured starting spot like Roy Williams.

 

[casmith07]

Smart comments by Jerry Jones. He knows all the hype out there for Ogletree is mounting...probably much of that intel coming from this site.

Put it out there that his meals aren't guaranteed and keep him hungry. That's what we want, right? A player that works for it, instead of being annointed after 7 catches in a season?

 

[Pokes12]

I remember the coaches being disappointed with Ogletree's work ethic when he was on the practice squad.

There are practice players and there are game players. O Tree showed us a lot last year. Speed, hands and footwork that were far superior to 11. If he gets cut I will be very dissapointed.

 

[tyke1doe]

And it couldn't possibly be that Jerry is playing psychological games with these quotes, a la Jimmy...

He couldn't be trying to light an offseason fire under Ogletree, a player he has often praised... and he couldn't be trying to get Roy to relax, and just focus on the job ahead of him, rather than letting the negative media get to him...

Agreed. Remember, Jerry Jones himself lobbied for Ogletree to get into the game and viola, Ogletree played the next game - I believe it was against Seattle.

Jones is just trying to light a fire under Ogletree. Unless he just sleeps through OTAs and training camp, no way the Cowboys are going to cut him. He'd get picked up in a nano-second.

 

[RS12]

The whole cut Ogletree thing is Jerry talking out his ###. We all know Jerry cant resist an open mike or TV camera.

 

[reddyuta]

if we somehow draft a WR then either hurd or ogletree is going to get cut because we will only keep 5 WR's unless buehler wins the kicking job.

 

[Stash]

Smart comments by Jerry Jones. He knows all the hype out there for Ogletree is mounting...probably much of that intel coming from this site.

Put it out there that his meals aren't guaranteed and keep him hungry. That's what we want, right? A player that works for it, instead of being annointed after 7 catches in a season?

"Smart comments"?

Doesn't look like it to me.

One day he's making excuses for Roy Williams and the next he's threatening the job of a guy who outplayed the investment made in him.

Looks like stupidity to me.

Why keep Ogletree "hungry" while the underachieving fatcat has the owner's assurances that no matter what, his "spot" is secure?

 

[Stash]

And it couldn't possibly be that Jerry is playing psychological games with these quotes, a la Jimmy...

He couldn't be trying to light an offseason fire under Ogletree, a player he has often praised... and he couldn't be trying to get Roy to relax, and just focus on the job ahead of him, rather than letting the negative media get to him...

So threaten the overachiever and comfort the underachiever?

Doesn't sound like a great plan to me...

Sometimes I really like Moseley's insights, but sometimes I get the notion he doesn't really think things through... especially when it comes to what Jerry says with a microphone in front of him...

Of course, a lot of posters in here share that failing... they just figure that Jerry has a bad case of hoof in mouth disease, and never even ponder that he's chosen his words quite deliberately, and has a reason for saying what he's saying...

I don't think it's the poster's "failing" at all but Jones'.

Jones does have a "bad case of hoof in mouth disease" and the man has never met a microphone he didn't like.

I think quotes like this one and the ones regarding his trade bust send the wrong message no matter how people spin it.

 

[elcowboi]

It sounds like with Olgetree kinda cruising along, they REALLY want Williams to succeed. Hopefully both can step up their game though.

 

[CF74]

And it couldn't possibly be that Jerry is playing psychological games with these quotes, a la Jimmy...

He couldn't be trying to light an offseason fire under Ogletree, a player he has often praised... and he couldn't be trying to get Roy to relax, and just focus on the job ahead of him, rather than letting the negative media get to him...

Sometimes I really like Moseley's insights, but sometimes I get the notion he doesn't really think things through... especially when it comes to what Jerry says with a microphone in front of him...

Of course, a lot of posters in here share that failing... they just figure that Jerry has a bad case of hoof in mouth disease, and never even ponder that he's chosen his words quite deliberately, and has a reason for saying what he's saying...

I concur. What people don't realize is that while Jerry might have been "Lucky" to strike it rich in oil, it takes a wise man to hold onto and increase such wealth. Every thing he does and says is calculated. Blasting RW right now in the media would not be in his best interest right now, we gotta figure out what the real issue is, ie.. confidence, chemistry, etc.

KO on the other hand while showing flashes of play making skill, is still considered the new guy trying to make the team. This will be his 2nd year and we all hope and pray he skips the Sophomore slump...

 

[AsthmaField]

I concur. What people don't realize is that while Jerry might have been "Lucky" to strike it rich in oil, it takes a wise man to hold onto and increase such wealth. Every thing he does and says is calculated. Blasting RW right now in the media would not be in his best interest right now, we gotta figure out what the real issue is, ie.. confidence, chemistry, etc.

I agree. For all we know, Jerry might be telling Stephen that if Williams doesn't pick it up, he is going to be sitting on the bench watching Ogletree catch TD's for Dallas. In the media though, Jerry is saying the right things to get his money's worth out of Williams. Any other way and the likelihood of getting much out of Roy would be significantly less IMO.

Basically what Jerry is saying is that he can't envision Williams not being one of the top two talented WR's on the team. He isn't saying that he is going to start even if he stinks it up... he's simply saying that Roy is super talented and they plan on him being much better in 2010.

Can they actually get him playing at a high level? I'm not sure. If they can't, then I fully expect to see Ogletree, Crayton, etc. get a lot more reps. That was already happening late last season.