Mosley: Hamlin may be on way out

[dbair1967]

Some players have an ability to bait QBs into throwing and this forces INTs. This ability is rare and almost always results in many more negative plays than interceptions. I'd rather a player NOT exhibit that behavior over the long term.

Hamlin rarely gets anywhere near the football because he's rarely thrown at. He's only been thrown at 41 times in the past two seasons.

You keep mentioning this, but he's usually playing a zone or helping over the top. He rarely gets his hands on the football despite being freed up to roam around most of the time.

 

[theogt]

You keep mentioning this, but he's usually playing a zone or helping over the top. He rarely gets his hands on the football despite being freed up to roam around most of the time.

All free safeties play zone in virtually every snap. Every single one of them. You almost never have free safeties manned up over a single receiver. The difference between Hamlin and other safeties is that quarterbacks don't throw toward at the zone he's in. Maybe that's just happenstance. But you have to think when you get up to thousands and thousands of plays and the results are always the same, it's due to the player.

 

[Rampage]

I keep hearing about T. Mays not good for our Cowboys from some of you. I keep hearing how E. Thomas or M. Burnett would be better. Walter Football has C. Jones and N. Allen rated higher than M. Burnett. I really like C. Jones and N. Allen. N. Allen from South Florida a team mate of M. Jenkins. C. Jones come from a program and played in big games. My sleeper is K. Chancellor. I know some don't him because he hasn't been talked about. K. Chancellor was all world at V. Tech a year ago. I watch him on youtube he was laying big hits and making int. What you guys think about him and the other two I mention.

Chad Jones, S, LSU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2010): 2.
1/12/10: Chad Jones has declared for the 2010 NFL Draft. Jones probably would have been better off returning to school to get some more starting experience, but I don't think this is a terrible decision. Jones could be the third safety drafted.

Nate Allen, FS, South Florida
Height: 6-2. Weight: 206.
Projected 40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round (2010): 2.
1/14/10: One of the more underrated prospects in this class, Nate Allen garnered 85 tackles, four interceptions and four pass deflections in 2009.

3/13/09: Nate Allen registered 53 tackles, two TFL, one sack and a pick in 2008.

8/6/08: Nate Allen had an incredible sophomore campaign. He started all 13 games, and recorded 86 tackles, eight pass break-ups and four interceptions.

Sleeper
Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2010): 6-7.
1/14/10: An All-ACC second-teamer, Kam Chancellor had 68 tackles and four passes broken up. He'll have problems in coverage at the next level.

12/14/08: Kam Chancellor struggled at times this year. He finished with 51 tackles and three passes broken up.

2007: An extremely athletic safety - seems like this draft class is laden with guys like that.

I like Nate Allen. I don't know much about Chad Jones and definitley don't want another overrated VT db.

 

[jjktkk]

Huh? you mean Safety of course, well if Newman was 5'11 230lbs would he be too small? If we was 6'2 and 180lbs would he be big enough? Is it his height or weight or what? Ed Reed is 5'11 Bob Sanders is 5'8", Troy Palawhatever is 5'11".

Yes, sorry for my typo. I meant Newman is too small (5'11"-190) to hold up for a season, playing safety. I think Newman is thur growing anymore, so thats out of the question. Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, and Troy Palumalu all weigh 200 pounds or more and all are natural safeties. IMO the Cowboys need to either bring in a FA safety who excels in coverage, or use a high pick in this years draft to pick a ballhawking/coverage safety. The risk ofinjury at having one of your top cb's playing out of position at safety is too great.

 

[dalboy]

fine with me just as long as we can get more of a coverage safety than a run stopping safety to replace him

 

[Marktui]

I would not mind seeing Hamlin go. Far too many times this year he goes the wrong way on big pass plays trying to guess where the qb is going. If you watch the KC game on their last drive to tie the game, he clearly guesses that Cassel is going short middle of the field and just lets Bowe go to the post and he hung Jenkins out to dry.

Taylor Mays though, I don't know if he is the answer, he looks more like a strong safety type and could be another RW31. He hits hard, but how is his coverage skills? I want a guy that is quicker on his feet and can go sideline to sideline in coverage.

 

[theogt]

I would not mind seeing Hamlin go. Far too many times this year he goes the wrong way on big pass plays trying to guess where the qb is going.

What an absurd statement. He only gave up 9 passes all season.

If you watch the KC game on their last drive to tie the game, he clearly guesses that Cassel is going short middle of the field and just lets Bowe go to the post and he hung Jenkins out to dry.

Actually, on that play there were three safeties (Hamlin, Watkins, Sensabaugh). It appears the coverage is each has 1/3 of the field. Hamlin is on the defensive right, Watkins is in the middle and Sensabaugh is defensive left. Bowe runs a post route to the middle, which would be Watkins' area. At the same time, Hamlin has two receivers entering into the shallow portion of his zone. Thus, his responsibility appears to be those underneath receivers in his zone. Not the deep middle, which appears to be Watkins' responsibility.

So what happens is, Hamlin does his job, Watkins is slow to get to his position, and Hamlin ends up getting blamed.

Go figure.

 

[Nexx]

lol, who is the guy who made the stupid thread about Hamlin being underrated and under appreciated a few weeks ago? I scoffed at the notion and he and a few other idiots proceeded to bash me, rofl.

edit, lol here it is http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173981

I mean people wanna ***** when he misses a tackle and stuff but how many times does he get deep or does any team beat our secondary deep?

I think teams not even attempting passes to his area is more of an indication on how well he covers -as his coverage on that Desean Jackson deep ball would show- rather than him just being back there, picking his nose and sucking on a sucker as most people wanna believe.


I also believe his lack of ints are more reflective on the system we play. Our FS is basically our protector back there and takes away the deep ball.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Hey theo, how many plays is Hamlin making back there?

 

[Rampage]

Hey theo, how many plays is Hamlin making back there?

we have no shot at Earl Thomas

 

[theogt]

Hey theo, how many plays is Hamlin making back there?

I really don't care about "making plays" at the FS position. I'll take 100 snaps without giving up a pass to every INT.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I really don't care about "making plays" at the FS position. I'll take 100 snaps without giving up a pass to every INT.

lol what about a safety that can do both?

 

[theogt]

lol what about a safety that can do both?

Not many out there that can.

 

[T-RO]

Like Baseball it's vital to be strong right up the middle. Many of the past decade's elite championship defenses had great safeties.

And paramount in a safety's greatness is Extreme Speed. 4.6 or 4.5 isn't good enough. Instincts are huge but you simply can't run away from the need for speed. You've got to cover a lot of ground out there.

I mention a past favorite: 6-1, 219 and 40 time of 4.4. Mr. Darren Woodson.

Troy Polamalu 4.35

I'm not a big fan of trading up but if--IF there were a KILLER safety available...I'd think about it long and hard.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Like Baseball it's vital to be strong right up the middle. Many of the past decade's elite championship defenses had great safeties.

And paramount in a safety's greatness is Extreme Speed. 4.6 or 4.5 isn't good enough. Instincts are huge but you simply can't run away from the need for speed. You've got to cover a lot of ground out there.

I mention a past favorite: 6-1, 219 and 40 time of 4.4. Mr. Darren Woodson.

Troy Polamalu 4.35

I'm not a big fan of trading up but if--IF there were a KILLER safety available...I'd think about it long and hard.

I said it in a different thread, but if somehow Eric Berry slipped out of the top ten, I would be very intrigued to trade up for him.

1st, 3rd, and next years 2nd maybe?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I doubt Hamlin will get released.

 

[Hoofbite]

Like Baseball it's vital to be strong right up the middle. Many of the past decade's elite championship defenses had great safeties.

And paramount in a safety's greatness is Extreme Speed. 4.6 or 4.5 isn't good enough. Instincts are huge but you simply can't run away from the need for speed. You've got to cover a lot of ground out there.

I mention a past favorite: 6-1, 219 and 40 time of 4.4. Mr. Darren Woodson.

Troy Polamalu 4.35

I'm not a big fan of trading up but if--IF there were a KILLER safety available...I'd think about it long and hard.

Long. Hard.

 

[Cover 2]

I doubt Hamlin will get released.

Me too. We don't have a replacement for him as of now.

 

[BAT]

It's really not even close. Better in coverage. Better against the run.

First of all, Sensabaugh and KHam play different positions. The FS (KHam) is not asked to do as many things as the SS (Sensabaugh). Which is a good thing, b/c Ken Hamlin cannot cover WRs man to man, let alone TEs or RBs. Ken Hamlin might be better in zone coverage, but not by much.

And Ken Hamlin is one of the WORST tacklers in the entire league. I could care less what stats you pull out, seeing is believing. Forget his consecutive FUBAR attempts at tackling in last season's Ravens' game. Even THIS past season, Hamlin still prefers to tackle ankles and seldom EVER tackles with his head up. Nevermind that he appears to have no ability to wrap. The guy is horrid.

Sensabaugh had a stretch in the middle of the season where he was doing his best Ken Hamlin impersonation, but the hand injury had to be a factor, Sensy was a beast in the beginning of the season against the run.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ken Hamlin > Gerald Sensabaugh

not impressed with Sensy at all