Mosley on Cowboys draft

[dbair1967]

might be a repost, if so feel free to delete...but he says they are zeroing in on trading down, getting an xtra 2 and taking Spencer or Meriweather

Steve D. in Jackson, Miss. with the obligatory Cowboys question: Matt, have you confirmed with Jerry Jones who the Cowboys will select at No. 22? And how much say will Wade Phillips have?


Mosley: Steve, Jerry usually waits until the Friday before the draft to fill me in, but I do have a general idea of what he's planning to do. Unless someone falls into their laps, the Cowboys will attempt to trade out of the first round and secure another pick in the second. There's a feeling across the league that the talent in the first round starts to fall dramatically about halfway through, and that's why Jones will probably be looking for a trading partner.


In recent weeks, the club has zeroed in on Miami safety Brandon Meriweather and Purdue defensive end/linebacker Anthony Spencer. Several former Big 10 offensive linemen have told the Cowboys that Spencer was the toughest player they had to block. The reason he might be available early in the second round is that he didn't have much production until his senior season, when he had 10½ sacks.


DeMarcus Ware and an aging Greg Ellis are the Cowboys' only consistent pass-rushers, so Phillips could use Spencer. And don't rule out Florida defensive end Jarvis Moss, who could be converted to linebacker. Jones loves signing local kids, and Moss played at nearby Denton Ryan High School.


Phillips has had a strong voice in the meetings leading up to the draft. He won't have nearly as much control as Bill Parcells had, but I think he'll have more input than a lot of people think.

 

[Roughneck]

There's a feeling across the league that the talent in the first round starts to fall dramatically about halfway through

Maybe but it will still be relatively (in comparison with most drafts) loaded in the second to early-third. Which is why trading down might just be the best option, although I'm sure some fans would have horrific flashbacks to the Steven Jackson/Julius Jones situation.

 

[dbair1967]

although I'm sure some fans would have horrific flashbacks to the Steven Jackson/Julius Jones situation.

Jackson is not a once in a lfietime player and Jones isnt a bust, so it shouldnt be a nightmare

in fact its highly possible that Jones could have a huge 2007 and people might be changing their tune again...

David

 

[superpunk]

in fact its highly possible that Jones could have a huge 2007 and people might be changing their tune again...

Where, exactly, is such a crazy idea "highly possible"?

I'd say it's a long shot at best. It's "highly possible" that Julius just continues to be the average back he's always been...maybe whoops up on the Panthers, leaving us a temporary reprieve from all the "Jason Garrett is ruining Julius" threads dominating the board.....and then we part ways in 2008.

 

[Big Dakota]

Yes, this is a repost but i found the topic interesting. Not sure we can justify either guy at #22 but i like both players and would be happy with either.

 

[StarMan2112]

If we somehow manage to get both of these guys I would be ecstatic.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I figured the would seek to improve the pass rush either Jarvis Moss or Spencer would be fine with me!

 

[big dog cowboy]

There's a feeling across the league that the talent in the first round starts to fall dramatically about halfway through, and that's why Jones will probably be looking for a trading partner.

We did discuss this a couple of days ago and I agree with the argument that we might want to trade down because the talent falls before our pick, BUT every team knows this this so why would they trade up? Still you never know. Who would have thought Buffalo would trade up to get Losman? Or Washington putting a package together to get Campbell?

 

[VACowboy]

Yes, this is a repost but i found the topic interesting. Not sure we can justify either guy at #22 but i like both players and would be happy with either.

The only think keeping Merriweather out of the top-20 is character issues, and apparently his interviews have left personnel people impressed and relieved. Spencer is big and quick and is a natural pass rusher. He terrorized Big Ten QBs. He has all the tools to be a great 3-4 OLB. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Merriweather selected in the mid.20's and Spencer gone before #22.

the Cowboys will attempt to trade out of the first round and secure another pick in the second

Hmmm. If we trade out of the first we'll definitely "secure another second," unless we trade #22 for a third-rounder and a bushel of second day picks. :laugh2:

Does the above quote mean Jerry wants to trade out of the first for two picks in the second round?

 

[Big Dakota]

The only think keeping Merriweather out of the top-20 is character issues, and apparently his interviews have left personnel people impressed and relieved. Spencer is big and quick and is a natural pass rusher. He terrorized Big Ten QBs. He has all the tools to be a great 3-4 OLB. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Merriweather selected in the mid.20's and Spencer gone before #22.



Hmmm. If we trade out of the first we'll definitely "secure another second," unless we trade #22 for a third-rounder and a bushel of second day picks. :laugh2:

Does the above quote mean Jerry wants to trade out of the first for two picks in the second round?

I'd be shocked if either went before #22. Let us revisit this thread in 6 days

 

[VACowboy]

Sure thing.

 

[cobra]

Spencer and a second?

I don't think I understand what he is suggesting.

He seems to be saying that we plan on trading down to the early 2nd round and getting Spencer (sounds great to me!) and picking up another 2nd pick in the process? So we would have 3 2nd round picks? (Spencer, our original 2nd, and the one we get for trading down?)

The teams with 2 2nd round picks include Miami (40 and 60), Tampa Bay (35 and 64), and Atlanta (39 and 44). I don't think we can get Atlanta's two picks for #22. That would be the 7th and 12th picks in the 2nd. But I think we could swing it with TB and Miami if they had reason to trade up. The only reason I could see TB doing that is to get grab a WR at #22 if the miss out on the CJ sweepstakes.

I'd be fine taking Spencer at #22. If you are telling me that I can get Spencer and a 2nd round pick for the #22 spot, I'd be in heaven.

 

[theebs]

I watched babe laufenberg after I watched moseley on with doocy tonight. Laufenbergs show had a sit down with bobby carpenter. It was pretty interesting, steve dennis did the interview. Asked carpenter about playing for parcells and he said "Guys hate him while he is here, and all these guys miss him now that he is gone" Said he is looking forward to playing in wade phillips defense, lot of athletes on our defense that he can use in his scheme.

Also he said that Bobby carpenter's Dad Rob, who played for parcells also played for bum phillips, so he has a relationship there also. I have never heard anyone bring that up.

Oh and the thing that scared me the most was jerry telling cbs 11 that the coaches are busy installing the schemes and the systems and that they will play a lesser role in this draft, saying the scouts and him would make the decisions. He did say wade has 30 years of experience in pro football and will have input just not as much as the scouts this year.

the jerry part worries me a little.

as for the moseley comments they are from his appearance on fox4 with mike doocy. He basically offers nothing so taking anything he says is pretty worthless to me. I do like the merriweather chatter though. I would love if we grabbed another third and still got merriweather or spencer.

 

[ddh33]

Yeah, I'm also having a hard time imagining how this is going to work out. I can see getting a #1 next year or getting an extra 3 and something else, but 2 number 2s can be a big price.

 

[theebs]

Yeah, I'm also having a hard time imagining how this is going to work out. I can see getting a #1 next year or getting an extra 3 and something else, but 2 number 2s can be a big price.

I think some of you guys are lost.

Moseley is simply saying we would trade out of the first round and move back to the early 2nd for a 3rd round pick.

That would give us our 2, the 2 we just traded for and the 3rd.

We would then have no first, 2 2nds and 2 3rds.

I dont know who would trade up though, everyone wants to go down not up.

If you look at who is behind us I cant see any team moving up for any reason, unless they fall in love with nelson, merriweather or ross.

The only way I see us being able to move down and grab a late third is if Ted ginn jr is there when we pick and someone like baltimore falls in love with him or chicago. Unfortunately these teams dont move around on draft day like that.

The one team that is willing to move on draft day, or so it seems are the jets. If ginn jr. is there maybe the jets will want to have him bad enough to give up there third to also get him.

our 22nd pick is worth 780 points, the 25th pick is worth 720.

the jets 4th round pick would just about equal the difference (52 points) so maybe that is something we could do.

I cant see anyone giving up a third to move up to our slot. New england I would imagine would not, philly wont trade with us, kc would make no sense to give up their 4th round pick to move up one spot and baltimore and chicago dont trade much, so its up to san diego and the jets as partners. I dont think either will do it unless they are in love with someone, maybe the chargers will love ginn if he slips and give us their third to move back.

I dont think teams in the top of the 2nd round would give up their 4th to move back up, let alone their third.

I think moseley just likes to talk.

 

[VACowboy]

Spencer and a second?

I don't think I understand what he is suggesting.

He seems to be saying that we plan on trading down to the early 2nd round and getting Spencer (sounds great to me!) and picking up another 2nd pick in the process? So we would have 3 2nd round picks? (Spencer, our original 2nd, and the one we get for trading down?)

The teams with 2 2nd round picks include Miami (40 and 60), Tampa Bay (35 and 64), and Atlanta (39 and 44). I don't think we can get Atlanta's two picks for #22. That would be the 7th and 12th picks in the 2nd. But I think we could swing it with TB and Miami if they had reason to trade up. The only reason I could see TB doing that is to get grab a WR at #22 if the miss out on the CJ sweepstakes.

I'd be fine taking Spencer at #22. If you are telling me that I can get Spencer and a 2nd round pick for the #22 spot, I'd be in heaven.

I was kind of confused about the exact proposition myself.

As far as trading down goes, I'd rather not drop much further than #30. I think Spencer and Merriweather will both be gone by then, but I'd swap Blalock and a third-rounder for #22 and be quite happy.

I'd be happy taking either of those guys at #22 too, if they're at the top of our board. I don't wanna get too cute.

 

[VACowboy]

I think some of you guys are lost.

Moseley is simply saying we would trade out of the first round and move back to the early 2nd for a 3rd round pick.

You're right. I'm lost, because I don't see that anywhere in the post and I didn't hear the interview.

 

[theogt]

I love that they're high on Spencer, but I don't think he'll last until the 2nd. Baltimore will snag him. Honestly he's good value at 22. Just stay there, don't get cute, and draft him.

 

[cowboyed]

I watched babe laufenberg after I watched moseley on with doocy tonight. Laufenbergs show had a sit down with bobby carpenter. It was pretty interesting, steve dennis did the interview. Asked carpenter about playing for parcells and he said "Guys hate him while he is here, and all these guys miss him now that he is gone" Said he is looking forward to playing in wade phillips defense, lot of athletes on our defense that he can use in his scheme.

Also he said that Bobby carpenter's Dad Rob, who played for parcells also played for bum phillips, so he has a relationship there also. I have never heard anyone bring that up.

Oh and the thing that scared me the most was jerry telling cbs 11 that the coaches are busy installing the schemes and the systems and that they will play a lesser role in this draft, saying the scouts and him would make the decisions. He did say wade has 30 years of experience in pro football and will have input just not as much as the scouts this year.

the jerry part worries me a little.

as for the moseley comments they are from his appearance on fox4 with mike doocy. He basically offers nothing so taking anything he says is pretty worthless to me. I do like the merriweather chatter though. I would love if we grabbed another third and still got merriweather or spencer.

Why does the Jerry part worry you? Have you read the latest articles pointing out the player bias by coaches undermining the talent identification and production potential of players as evaluated and profiled by the scouts. The pre-drafting game plan is to discuss the position wants and needs of the coaches and then let the scouting group get after it and stick with the player prospect choices.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I dont know who would trade up though, everyone wants to go down not up.

That is a common myth. See Buffalo and the Losman trade.