Most Overhyped/Overrated Players in the NFL

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Alexander said:
Where are these players getting recognition to be overrated? Leftwich, Manning, Carr.

They are all still quite young.
True.
But it's almost as if they can do no wrong. When these players are spoken about, they are given credit that they have yet to earn IMO. In fact, they have had piss poor outings at times and yet no one acknowledges it like they should. Seems like people give you a cushion to fail when you're a high drafted QB but that doesn't make you any better.
My main beef probably comes from Fantasy predictions. These 3 guys are valued way too high on most people's boards IMO. That and the fact that I am essentially predicting that these players will never pan out to be what people want them to be.
 

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My main beef probably comes from Fantasy predictions. These 3 guys are valued way too high on most people's boards IMO. That and the fact that I am essentially predicting that these players will never pan out to be what people want them to be.

Oh that's totally different.

You can be an overrated fantasy player and sometimes people carry that over to "real life".
 

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LOL

Yeah well, some of those disasterous outings come off the choking toes of stupid kickers....

Or coaches that decide to play way too conservative at crunch time leaving long field goal attempts for their kicker. I like Herm Edwards(hate Paul Hackett), but he has to learn to step it up in pressure situations.
 

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1: Mike Vick
2: Jeremy Shockey
3: Mike Vick
4: Corey Simon
5: Mike Vick
































P.S. Mike Vick is overrated
 

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joseephuss said:
Or coaches that decide to play way too conservative at crunch time leaving long field goal attempts for their kicker. I like Herm Edwards(hate Paul Hackett), but he has to learn to step it up in pressure situations.

I agree.

It is all fashionable to blame the kicker. Only an overly conservative coach relies on his kicker to get the job done. Doug Brien and Nate Kaeding got way too much blame when the playcalling made it necessary for them to fail last year.
 

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dbair1967 said:
so once again, the guy that LEAGUE GM's and PERSONNEL people voted the best in the league at his position is overrated and hasnt done much?

HUH???

David
He is spoken about like he has been wreaking havoc in the league for a decade as opposed to 3 years, that's all. But I guess Freeney, Peppers, and Ed Reed get the same acclaim and it is deserved so nm.
 

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He is spoken about like he has been wreaking havoc in the league for a decade as opposed to 3 years, that's all. But I guess Freeney, Peppers, and Ed Reed get the same acclaim and it is deserved so nm.

His best year was his rookie year and strangely enough, that was the year he got disrespected.
 

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dbair1967 said:
Vick has gotta be on any of these lists...mediocre to terrible passer at best

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The only reason I didnt add him was because his team's performance with him versus without him was shockingly disparate.

Playoffs with him, bums without, playoffs with him.

He is not yet anything near a complete QB but if he has gotten his team as far as Payton Manning already how far can he take them with a Marvin Harrison type Wr or an Edgerrin James type back? (granted he hasn't been burdened with the Colts sad defense)

He has beaten Favre already in the playoffs.
 

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jterrell said:
He has beaten Favre already in the playoffs.

LOL

I found this ironic that he gets respect for beating an overrated QB in the playoffs.

But excellent point about the team winning when he is in there and not when he isn't though.

The fact that the team performs better and more confidently with him in the lineup still does not make him a polished product.

Most fans think he is great and that means all the way around. He can be easily thwarted, just as the Eagles did in the championship. Make him beat you in the air.
 

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1) Vick.....glorified RB.....cant hit a barn door. Great athlete and has one of the strongest arms in the league. Not in the same class as Elway....Elway was a leader and much better accuracy.

2) Farve......great QB years ago....his time has come

3) Plummer......I'm surprised he has lasted this long as a starter. Makes bone head mistakes over and over

4) Boller.....The Ravens should of been contenders for years now if not for the stupidity of the coaching staff to start this guy. If he were a Cowboy we would pray to see Quincy Carter back.

5) Shockey....living off his rookie year even though I didn't think it was that great....can't block worth a crap and his hands need some stickum

6) Harrington....I like him better then Boller but his decision making is pathetic

7) C Woodson.....good CB but not great....legend in his own mind

8) Sapp....can't back up his trash talking for several years now

9) Brian Urlacher....if he was black....you wouldn't even hear about him...one solid season.

10) Portis....the system made him in Denver....good back but not great

11) Galloway....all speed no heart...suspect hands...Seattle robbed jerry Jones....

12) Trotter....Phili system made him look better then he is...
 

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Alexander said:
LOL

I found this ironic that he gets respect for beating an overrated QB in the playoffs.

But excellent point about the team winning when he is in there and not when he isn't though.

The fact that the team performs better and more confidently with him in the lineup still does not make him a polished product.

Most fans think he is great and that means all the way around. He can be easily thwarted, just as the Eagles did in the championship. Make him beat you in the air.

Now this was a good point, to me.

Personally, I believe that Brett Favre is the most over rated player in the league right now. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. I think he's great but I also think he's not what he used to be. I think he wears down at the end of the season and I also think he throws too many INTs at critical times. In fact, I've always felt like he'd done that. It's hard not to like Favre but I do think he's way over rated right now.

Almost as overated as McNappie.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Now this was a good point, to me.

Personally, I believe that Brett Favre is the most over rated player in the league right now. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. I think he's great but I also think he's not what he used to be. I think he wears down at the end of the season and I also think he throws too many INTs at critical times. In fact, I've always felt like he'd done that. It's hard not to like Favre but I do think he's way over rated right now.

Almost as overated as McNappie.

The media usually has players that they just take a shine to. And even though they are very good, they get overinflated and almost legendary in nature, even though they did little empirically to justify it, which is win a Lombardi. Favre at least has won---once.

Once Favre retires, you will get a weekly McNabb/Vick lovefest, you can take that to the bank.
 

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Blah blah blah. I am sick of reading how Vick is overrated. His team is nothing without him, and NOONE likes to face him. He is an absolutely dangerous weapon who led his team to the NFC Championship.

The year before, WITHOUT him, the team was terrible.

Call him what you want. You put him ahead of Pennington. Vick is by far more successful.

I'll take his 'mediocre to bad' arm and his freakish legs over our current starter any day.
 

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Alexander said:
The media usually has players that they just take a shine to. And even though they are very good, they get overinflated and almost legendary in nature, even though they did little empirically to justify it, which is win a Lombardi. Favre at least has won---once.

Once Favre retires, you will get a weekly McNabb/Vick lovefest, you can take that to the bank.
They'll be blowing kisses to Manning and Brady too.

Broadcasters love to slobber on the winners before they win.
 

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Blah blah blah. I am sick of reading how Vick is overrated. His team is nothing without him, and NOONE likes to face him. He is an absolutely dangerous weapon who led his team to the NFC Championship.

The year before, WITHOUT him, the team was terrible.

Call him what you want. You put him ahead of Pennington. Vick is by far more successful.

I'll take his 'mediocre to bad' arm and his freakish legs over our current starter any day.
I am not quite as strong on this as you but do generally agree that if the guy is undoubtedly the most valuable player on a playoff team, he probably shouldn't be as the top guy on overrated lists.

I do dislike the falcs so understand the overall nausea of seeing Vick hyped alllll the time but he has backed up his hype with wins, if not passing yardage.

He passed for more TDs then INTs and then added 900 plus yards rushing to that fairly weak 2300 yards passing mix.

The real key to me though is the 49 first downs he gained rushing. Thats a lot of drives that continued because he got the yardage on his own. 1st downs is to me the first goal on offense and the way you win games.

Its quite possible Drew Bledsoe will pass for more yardsthen Vick has passing + rushing and have a higher completion percentage and a higher QB rating then Michael Vick BUT I doubt Bledsoe comes anywhere near having the total first downs gained that Vick will thus Vick's offense becomes more efficient and successful.
 

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Blah blah blah. I am sick of reading how Vick is overrated. His team is nothing without him, and NOONE likes to face him. He is an absolutely dangerous weapon who led his team to the NFC Championship.

I am sure the rest of the 52 players on the roster had nothing to do with it. Especially that defense and running game which supported his inability to make a play via the pass.

The year before, WITHOUT him, the team was terrible.

The whole team was bad. Their defense was miscast in a 3-4 when all of their personnel were better fit to a 4-3. They also happened to be coached by an obviously stale and tired Dan Reeves.

I guess it was mere coincedence they got better when Mora came aboard and brought energy and shifted his attention to the defense. Getting Rich McKay from Tampa Bay was also just immaterial.

Afterall, it was all Vick.

Call him what you want. You put him ahead of Pennington. Vick is by far more successful.

Who is talking about Pennington?

I'll take his 'mediocre to bad' arm

His arm is not bad. It is one of the best (strongest) in the league. He is just inaccurate and is incapable of running an offense in a conventional fashion. He is a street player playing a game that the true winners are technical, not freaks of nature. Take away his athleticism, you don't have anything. And as amazing as he is as an athlete, until he takes the steps that Elway did to polish his game and be more than a freak, he will always be a one-man show and his team will forever be a bridesmaid.

He might come to that level one day and I would not bet against it if he is committed to making it happen. But to hear the media talk, he has already won several championships.

and his freakish legs over our current starter any day.

And this proves what, exactly?

Being better than what we have is no grand achievement.
 

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Crown Royal said:
Blah blah blah. I am sick of reading how Vick is overrated. His team is nothing without him, and NOONE likes to face him. He is an absolutely dangerous weapon who led his team to the NFC Championship.

The year before, WITHOUT him, the team was terrible.

Call him what you want. You put him ahead of Pennington. Vick is by far more successful.

I'll take his 'mediocre to bad' arm and his freakish legs over our current starter any day.

you leave out that the yrs the Falcons made the playoffs they were very near the top of the league's defensive list for sacks and turnovers forced...the yr they didnt make the playoffs they had one of the most atrocious defenses in the league...he had little to nothing to do with that...the fact is they dont score that many pts when he plays, its not like they have some machine like offense with him at QB

as for your arm comment, nobody says he has a mediocre to bad arm, we all say he cant throw the ball through a barn door, struggles to read defenses quickly, takes too many sacks either from being slow to get rid of the ball or trying to make something happen with his legs and fumbles alot

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