Murray: "Bad Luck"

[kramskoi]

In retrospect, Emmitt was a once-in-a-lifetime player. The media would have you believe he was just lucky to play with that 90s O-line, but he was actually a very special back who still doesn't get his props sometimes, even after his HOF induction.

Extremely durable and "perdurable"...played with pain when the team needed him most. Who can forget the (overtime) Giants game at the end of the 93 season? Stuff of greatness...

 

[WoodysGirl]

Murray was seen in practice carrying the football during stretches. So while he said "bad luck," clearly he's been practicing balk security during practice.

 

[CCBoy]

Your saying this roster isn't far off from the rosters of the 90s teams that won it all?

First off, the offense was led by Norv Turner, who was a whopping age 38 years old when he joined the Cowboys. He watered a system that supported his quarterback as well as relied upon a dependable run. Today, we have a Scott Linehan, who has an even better pedigree from the start. The current offense is in year one, of his mark on the unit as well as developing points at the beginning of this year. The emergence of a strong running game, and the presence of a talented Tony Romo, Dez Bryant, and DeMarco Murray, and one has a functional three stars as when the '92 Cowboys entered the field. I would place Jason Witten a notch above what was available as to tight end, and above the merit of Jay Novacek.

Those special skills people can produce at a similar level. So, let's look at the offensive line:

John Gesek
Kevin Gogan
Nate Newton
Mark Stepnoski
Mark Tuinei
Erik Williams

Mark Tuinei/Tyron Smith
Kevin Gogan/Ronald Leary
Nate Newton/Zack Martin
Mark Stepnoski/Travis Frederick
Erik Williams/Doug Free

Well, except for the Williams and Free matchup, I'd give the current offensive line equal if not better projections.

If this team was considered a world beater, I would have to conclude at present, that the current Dallas offense should at least be given respects in a general and similar manner.

Now, to the defensive side, rumor control and all set aside...

The defense of 1992, started with their coach. That was Dave Wannestedt, who was a Pittsburgh lineman that opened holes for Tony Dorsett. He led the defense away from the Tom Landry era of the flex, to a 4-3 that was built upon speed, aggression, and an all out sell out for defensive side scheme.

Today, we are witnessing a return to that very same basic defense that was installed with the arrival of Jimmy Johnson to the Cowboys. But, instead of Wannestedt, the Cowboys now have Rod Marinelli. If one doesn't see a direct comparison between the two, here and now, then he has been fooling himself and living out a ring tapper's paradise.

As to personnel when that defense first started up, don't fool one's self. There were few first round types of talent on that defense.

Tony Casillas-1st rounder by Atlanta Falcons
Chad Hennings-11th rounder
Jimmie Jones-3rd rounder
Charles Haley-4th rounder by San Francisco 49'ers
Jim Jeffcoat-1st rounder
Leon Lett-7th rounder
Russell Maryland-1st rounder
Tony Tolbert-4th rounder

It should be noted here, that all but the three first round picked defensive linemen, required a few years to reach respectable and sustained production levels. Charles Haley and Tony Casillas were drafted and developed up by another team, before joining the Cowboys for that team.

Today's Cowboy defensive linemen:

Anthony Spencer-1st rounder
Davon Coleman-undrafted
Ken Bishop-7th rounder
George Selvie-7th rounder by St. Louis Rams
Jeremy Mincey-6th rounder by Jacksonville Jaguars
Terrell McClain-3rd rounder by Carolina Panthers
Nick Hayden-6th rounder by Carolina Panthers
Lavar Edwards-5th rounder by Tennessee Titans
Tyrone Crawford-3rd rounder
Jack Crawford-5th rounder by Oakland Raiders
Henry Melton-4th rounder by Chicago Bears
Demarcus Lawrence-2nd rounder

This assembled group represents a large number of experienced and journeymen in the defensive line.

The productive part should soon be represented by the following group:
Anthony Spencer
Tyrone Crawford
T McClain
Henry Melton

The expectation is that D Lawrence will fill the role played by the former Cowboy, Charles Haley...and more recently, by Demarcus Ware. Those are big shoes to fill, but we'll have to await that further development. But, that element of a dependable pass rush from a consistant producer, is the one element that is lacking in the current roster. This too, will be improved upon by next season...but a workable unit that fits the requirement of:

Crashing outside pressure, aggressive interior that makes reads on the move, linebackers who gang tackle, and safeties that tackle like a linebacker.

I'll let you guys do a little of the work now, and fill in the blanks for the secondary in comparisons...

 

[Vinnie2u]

Tiki Barber fumbled 6 times 2 years in a row.. Murray can fix it.. I wish he had another RB pushing him for playing time..

 

[Beast_from_East]

The OP is a troll if u look at posting history.

Its a legit topic, Murray is quickly becoming Tiki Barber with all of these fumbles.

 

[ConstantReboot]

This was reported on NFL network.

Quite embarrassing excuse. 4 games in a row is not 'bad luck'.

One thing I noticed recently: he never covers up with two arms going through the line or when expecting/engaged in contact. Odd I never saw that before. Anyone else see it? This is fundamental. Not saying this isn't addressed by coaching- just odd Murray doesn't have this instinct as back.

Clearly, Garret feels he is their best or only real option. Hope they get him on track.

Here's looking forward to Melvin Gordon or Gurly late in the 1st next year.

The problem he has is discipline. Discipline is also the responsibility of a good coach. A good coach would make his players accountable for their mistakes. I don't know if Garrett is handling this issue. I'm beginning to doubt it because it seems to persist. But a good coach would do anything to stop this from happening, evening benching him. Would Garrett bench him if he fumbles again?

 

[CCBoy]

The problem he has is discipline. Discipline is also the responsibility of a good coach. A good coach would make his players accountable for their mistakes. I don't know if Garrett is handling this issue. I'm beginning to doubt it because it seems to persist. But a good coach would do anything to stop this from happening, evening benching him. Would Garrett bench him if he fumbles again?

Scott Linehan is the offensive coordinator at present, it has to go through him first...

 

[Bullflop]

Somewhere in the past, DeMarco developed a bad habit of carrying the ball low and loose. Following his two fumbles in game one, I noticed him continuing to do the same and doggone if he didn't do it again in the next two games. If he doesn't start toting the pigskin "high and tight," expect his problems to be continued. We can be 100% sure the coaching staff has gotten onto his case about his carelessness more than once. Let's see now if he's finally able to discontinue foiling himself. Bad habits can really be tough to break once they've become a long established routine. It's good to hear he's taking corrective measures in practice. Hopefully, it'll help.

 

[loublue22]

this board would be amusing if we took a RB in the 1st round

 

[Biggems]

well TBH, he did fumble last game, but it should not have counted, as he was illegally tripped and a penalty should have been called.

 

[Nav22]

Murray's taking full responsibility but there's always an element of luck involved.

The fact that he's fumbled 3 times and his teammates haven't helped him out by recovering any of them is bad luck. That's 0-3 when you'd figure the offense should fall on around half of all available fumbles.

Hopefully he doesn't fumble again at all... but if he does, it'd be nice if one of our guys can give him a mulligan.

 

[TheCount]

The three point is as fundamental as covering up the ball with two arms in traffic. It's not as you say a new approach to what is taught. The idea that others play the same way is not at all true. In addition, what he's doing isn't working.

The guy said 'bad luck', so I am not trying to paint him as anything. If he truly believes that then it's denial. The guy clearly has some bad fundamentals holding on to the ball.

He's an upright runner that doesn't cover up the ball and swings it away from his body making himself more susceptible to fumbles.

You've obviously made up your mind.

All I'll say is go watch highlights of NFL RB's, they rarely cover up with both arms. Doesn't matter who you want to look at, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, LeSean McCoy; they all use their free arm for speed, to fight off defenders and to break their fall.

Murray needs to clean up the turnovers, there's no doubt about it - but he doesn't run any different from any other top NFL RB.

As far as the "bad luck", he had one ball ripped out of his arms in a pile and got illegally tripped on the other. He knows how to protect the ball, he just needs to stay focused and be more careful since teams are keying in on it now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Here's looking forward to Melvin Gordon or Gurly late in the 1st next year.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen because we are not going RB in the first round next year.

 

[rynochop]

Its a legit topic, Murray is quickly becoming Tiki Barber with all of these fumbles.

oh, i know..but, nevertheless

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

This was reported on NFL network.

Quite embarrassing excuse. 4 games in a row is not 'bad luck'.

One thing I noticed recently: he never covers up with two arms going through the line or when expecting/engaged in contact. Odd I never saw that before. Anyone else see it? This is fundamental. Not saying this isn't addressed by coaching- just odd Murray doesn't have this instinct as back.

Clearly, Garret feels he is their best or only real option. Hope they get him on track.

Here's looking forward to Melvin Gordon or Gurly late in the 1st next year.

LOL!

 

[Fletch]

So much was right about Emmitt, but it was the small details I believe I appreciated the most. Carrying the ball and protecting it when imminent danger lurked was so subtle, but something you could count on. he did not risk when it came to the rock

Well, when you're a diamond surrounded by trash, what do you expect?

 

[TrailBlazer]

First off, the offense was led by Norv Turner, who was a whopping age 38 years old when he joined the Cowboys. He watered a system that supported his quarterback as well as relied upon a dependable run. Today, we have a Scott Linehan, who has an even better pedigree from the start. The current offense is in year one, of his mark on the unit as well as developing points at the beginning of this year. The emergence of a strong running game, and the presence of a talented Tony Romo, Dez Bryant, and DeMarco Murray, and one has a functional three stars as when the '92 Cowboys entered the field. I would place Jason Witten a notch above what was available as to tight end, and above the merit of Jay Novacek.

Those special skills people can produce at a similar level. So, let's look at the offensive line:

John Gesek
Kevin Gogan
Nate Newton
Mark Stepnoski
Mark Tuinei
Erik Williams

Mark Tuinei/Tyron Smith
Kevin Gogan/Ronald Leary
Nate Newton/Zack Martin
Mark Stepnoski/Travis Frederick
Erik Williams/Doug Free

Well, except for the Williams and Free matchup, I'd give the current offensive line equal if not better projections.

If this team was considered a world beater, I would have to conclude at present, that the current Dallas offense should at least be given respects in a general and similar manner.

Now, to the defensive side, rumor control and all set aside...

The defense of 1992, started with their coach. That was Dave Wannestedt, who was a Pittsburgh lineman that opened holes for Tony Dorsett. He led the defense away from the Tom Landry era of the flex, to a 4-3 that was built upon speed, aggression, and an all out sell out for defensive side scheme.

Today, we are witnessing a return to that very same basic defense that was installed with the arrival of Jimmy Johnson to the Cowboys. But, instead of Wannestedt, the Cowboys now have Rod Marinelli. If one doesn't see a direct comparison between the two, here and now, then he has been fooling himself and living out a ring tapper's paradise.

As to personnel when that defense first started up, don't fool one's self. There were few first round types of talent on that defense.

Tony Casillas-1st rounder by Atlanta Falcons
Chad Hennings-11th rounder
Jimmie Jones-3rd rounder
Charles Haley-4th rounder by San Francisco 49'ers
Jim Jeffcoat-1st rounder
Leon Lett-7th rounder
Russell Maryland-1st rounder
Tony Tolbert-4th rounder

It should be noted here, that all but the three first round picked defensive linemen, required a few years to reach respectable and sustained production levels. Charles Haley and Tony Casillas were drafted and developed up by another team, before joining the Cowboys for that team.

Today's Cowboy defensive linemen:

Anthony Spencer-1st rounder
Davon Coleman-undrafted
Ken Bishop-7th rounder
George Selvie-7th rounder by St. Louis Rams
Jeremy Mincey-6th rounder by Jacksonville Jaguars
Terrell McClain-3rd rounder by Carolina Panthers
Nick Hayden-6th rounder by Carolina Panthers
Lavar Edwards-5th rounder by Tennessee Titans
Tyrone Crawford-3rd rounder
Jack Crawford-5th rounder by Oakland Raiders
Henry Melton-4th rounder by Chicago Bears
Demarcus Lawrence-2nd rounder

This assembled group represents a large number of experienced and journeymen in the defensive line.

The productive part should soon be represented by the following group:
Anthony Spencer
Tyrone Crawford
T McClain
Henry Melton

The expectation is that D Lawrence will fill the role played by the former Cowboy, Charles Haley...and more recently, by Demarcus Ware. Those are big shoes to fill, but we'll have to await that further development. But, that element of a dependable pass rush from a consistant producer, is the one element that is lacking in the current roster. This too, will be improved upon by next season...but a workable unit that fits the requirement of:

Crashing outside pressure, aggressive interior that makes reads on the move, linebackers who gang tackle, and safeties that tackle like a linebacker.

I'll let you guys do a little of the work now, and fill in the blanks for the secondary in comparisons...

The 90s teams won championships. Better staff and players. Not even close. Even comparing the two teams is a slap to face of the 90s teams that won this franchise multiple super bowls. Until this roster and teams wins anything, it's all talk and zero substance. You cannot compare this roster to those guys of the 90s. Our roster isn't even top ten in the league right now.

 

[AKATheRake]

So much was right about Emmitt, but it was the small details I believe I appreciated the most. Carrying the ball and protecting it when imminent danger lurked was so subtle, but something you could count on. he did not risk when it came to the rock

Indeed.

He also had a great HC and teammates around him that kept everyone accountable to one another.

 

[Aliencowboy]

You've obviously made up your mind.

All I'll say is go watch highlights of NFL RB's, they rarely cover up with both arms. Doesn't matter who you want to look at, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, LeSean McCoy; they all use their free arm for speed, to fight off defenders and to break their fall.

Murray needs to clean up the turnovers, there's no doubt about it - but he doesn't run any different from any other top NFL RB.

As far as the "bad luck", he had one ball ripped out of his arms in a pile and got illegally tripped on the other. He knows how to protect the ball, he just needs to stay focused and be more careful since teams are keying in on it now.

No, yeah, you're right no runs down the field with two arms on the ball in the open field. No one is saying that. The cover up at times because no one can hold onto a ball with one arm with guys on them. That's not new.

You make up pathetic excuses: leg whipped or the guy "the ball ripped out in a pile" - yeah that's why you cover with two arms in a pile. That's this thing called "football"
I am dealing with professional TV watchers here.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Murray was seen in practice carrying the football during stretches. So while he said "bad luck," clearly he's been practicing balk security during practice.

Well is it 'bad luck' or bad technique ? He seems to think the former