Murray: "Bad Luck"

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,475
Reaction score
22,885
The 90s teams won championships. Better staff and players. Not even close. Even comparing the two teams is a slap to face of the 90s teams that won this franchise multiple super bowls. Until this roster and teams wins anything, it's all talk and zero substance. You cannot compare this roster to those guys of the 90s. Our roster isn't even top ten in the league right now.

You don't even bother to pick up the discussion...so, there won't be further attempts by me to watch a stereotype returned as if full of content. End of the playground scenario...I'm not really engrossed with a see saw.

As to the ring tapping burn barrel routine...that ran out of Ripple years ago.

Pick a label of hater or homer, and see you later...but no further talk with you from this fan.

 
Last edited:

ConstantReboot

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,405
Reaction score
10,074
Scott Linehan is the offensive coordinator at present, it has to go through him first...

Garrett is the head coach. Linehan calls the plays on offense. Regardless of who runs the offense, its still Garrett is who the head and ultimately responsible.
 

TheCount

Pixel Pusher
Messages
25,523
Reaction score
8,849
No, yeah, you're right no runs down the field with two arms on the ball in the open field. No one is saying that. The cover up at times because no one can hold onto a ball with one arm with guys on them. That's not new.

You make up pathetic excuses: leg whipped or the guy "the ball ripped out in a pile" - yeah that's why you cover with two arms in a pile. That's this thing called "football"
I am dealing with professional TV watchers here.

Alright internet champ, simmer down.

You're free to think whatever you want, no skin off my back.
 

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,475
Reaction score
22,885
Garrett is the head coach. Linehan calls the plays on offense. Regardless of who runs the offense, its still Garrett is who the head and ultimately responsible.

Go back and study who is the heart and sole of a side...either the offensive side or defensive side. Only in a weaker organization with a directive leader, is this not true. Responsibility ultimately rests in Jerry Jones, the GM. Evaluation of him, is in Jerry Jones the owner. That is accountability...the rest, is leadership, and Jason Garrett reacts to function of his OC and DC. Not the other way around. organizational flow charts and where responsibility actually flows. Garrett is responsible for what the team as a whole does and accomplishes, but his two leaders that he chose below him, are good ones.

Linehan is responsible for directions this season as to productions on the offensive ledger.
Marinelli is responsible for directions this season as to defensive productions.

On a field of battle, players are loyal to the immediate chain of command, and place individual loyalties in them. That applied to Wannstedt and Turner back under Jimmy Johnson, and applies to Marinelli and Linehan under Garrett now.

One fights for his beliefs in who he directly fights with, in a battle...not overall leadership elements. That's a basic element of war, and play on a professional football field as well.

It's not a fan's call here...
 

khiladi

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,042
Reaction score
37,633
Posted it before, but after seeing Emmitt several times at training camp not in pads, he was much more impressive physically than he looked like on the field. The guy was short but he was built like an absolute tank. Probably why he was able to play all those years without a serious injury.

Plus like Switzer said, he had a quickness you could see in person that for some reason didn't show up on TV.

I remember vaguely a commercial he did during those years , and one got see his thighs cause he was wearing shorts. Muscles bursting everywhere and huge.
 

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,475
Reaction score
22,885
I remember vaguely a commercial he did during those years , and one got see his thighs cause he was wearing shorts. Muscles bursting everywhere and huge.

Did you ever see the calves on Navy's Joe Bellino?
 

Nation

Well-Known Member
Messages
3,252
Reaction score
1,919
It actually is bad luck in the sense that all have been recovered by the opposing team
 

ConstantReboot

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,405
Reaction score
10,074
Go back and study who is the heart and sole of a side...either the offensive side or defensive side. Only in a weaker organization with a directive leader, is this not true. Responsibility ultimately rests in Jerry Jones, the GM. Evaluation of him, is in Jerry Jones the owner. That is accountability...the rest, is leadership, and Jason Garrett reacts to function of his OC and DC. Not the other way around. organizational flow charts and where responsibility actually flows. Garrett is responsible for what the team as a whole does and accomplishes, but his two leaders that he chose below him, are good ones.

Linehan is responsible for directions this season as to productions on the offensive ledger.
Marinelli is responsible for directions this season as to defensive productions.

On a field of battle, players are loyal to the immediate chain of command, and place individual loyalties in them. That applied to Wannstedt and Turner back under Jimmy Johnson, and applies to Marinelli and Linehan under Garrett now.

One fights for his beliefs in who he directly fights with, in a battle...not overall leadership elements. That's a basic element of war, and play on a professional football field as well.

It's not a fan's call here...

Wrong. Jimmy Johnson did not have to answer to his OC or DC. He had total power like a dictator. If one of his players didn't perform up to par he will chew them up and and spit them out on the street without have to ask for permission from anyone. Results of that total dictatorship power was 3 superbowls.

Fear drives more people into action than anything else. Why do you hear stories of a mother who lifts a car off the ground to pry her child that stuck under a car into safety? Jimmy's reign was known to all and it drove his players to perform to the best of their ability.

As far as Garrett's chain of command goes, well the results are in and so far Garrett's coaching approach has been abysmal to say the least. He was demoted from playcalling duties and has failed many times to win games in the mist of victory. I can go on and on about is failures but that would be too long for this post. But my point is that Garrett's style of coaching is too cupcake-ish. Same with what Wade was to the team.
 

Dale

Forum Architect
Messages
7,786
Reaction score
7,401
He by no means has been a chronic fumbler throughout his career, so I'm confident this fumbling problem is something he'll work through.
 

TrailBlazer

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,845
Reaction score
3,535
He by no means has been a chronic fumbler throughout his career, so I'm confident this fumbling problem is something he'll work through.

He has got to hold the ball tight to his chest. He's gotten way too loose with the ball. It's something he will have to work at. Not ignore and hope it goes away.
 

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,475
Reaction score
22,885
Wrong. Jimmy Johnson did not have to answer to his OC or DC. He had total power like a dictator. If one of his players didn't perform up to par he will chew them up and and spit them out on the street without have to ask for permission from anyone. Results of that total dictatorship power was 3 superbowls.

Fear drives more people into action than anything else. Why do you hear stories of a mother who lifts a car off the ground to pry her child that stuck under a car into safety? Jimmy's reign was known to all and it drove his players to perform to the best of their ability.

As far as Garrett's chain of command goes, well the results are in and so far Garrett's coaching approach has been abysmal to say the least. He was demoted from playcalling duties and has failed many times to win games in the mist of victory. I can go on and on about is failures but that would be too long for this post. But my point is that Garrett's style of coaching is too cupcake-ish. Same with what Wade was to the team.

It appears that this power thing mentioned above, has become dysfunctional as well as out of tune with the realities of Jimmy Johnson and how the team actually worked. Jimmy Johnson was a functional psychiatrist on a team. He played off the good guy/bad guy, while all the time trying to come out smelling like a rose and all powerful. That is why he came into conflict with players, such as both Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman. Why he was able to substitute, originally, David Shula, as a real offensive coordinator and shift from a '90 Steve Walsh to a Steve Beuerlein challenge in both style and competition to Troy Aikman.

That direction above, might be straight for a folk ballad, but not based upon facts in play, even with that type of stereotyped Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy almost lost both Emmitt and Troy, for the team's benefit in '92. The Cowboys almost lost their chance at a Division crown, before Emmitt rejoined the team...and Troy didn't sign and get in fold with Jimmy, until December. That is when his contract was officially renegotiated.

But it took the release of David Shula, and a last resort tasking for Norv Turner that brought Troy Aikman out of a depression, and set him up in close association with Turner.

As to Jimmy...he gave his assistants as much room as anyone in the business. He rarely directly coached a player during practice. During game week, Jimmy didn't follow a set schedule, and free-lanced...dropping in on assistants individually or in meetings to see what they have in mind for the next game plan. He mostly let his coordinator plan strategy. Occasionally, Jimmy 'vetoed' his coordinator plan strategy by making a 'suggestion.'

But mostly, he allowed coordinators to make X's and O's directly, while he managed the media and big-picture player movements involving cuts or trades.

During games, he allowed Wannstedt to make defensive calls and on offense, Turner to call plays. Occasionally, Jimmy would change a pass play or type of defense being used, but the job usually just fell to his coordinators. At first, it was Jimmy telling his coordinator when to play Beuerlein or Troy Aikman...all a head game. That changed when Jimmy needed to win with Troy, and brought in a former quarterback and a last resort of choice, to give more immediate support of Troy. Turner changed the passing game, around the strength of a physically strong quarterback, who threw a strong football, and who had a very quick release. What he did for the Cowboys, was to simplify decisions for both his receivers and quarterback. Shorten the drop back, and give talented receivers quick developing/shorter routes that gave immediate advantage at a predetermined directional distanced point. As the receiver cut, the advantaged throw was already there for the receiver to take advantage of...and the run was watered, with the movement of a slimmed down Nate Newton to left guard and Erik Williams out to right tackle...but that is besides the point, now.

A leader provides a leader beneath himself, the room to function at his role. No, Jimmy didn't call most of the offense or defense...his Coordinators did. And the player loyalties of those players, were placed in their coordinators then. It took the effect of Wannstedt to keep the whole team on an even keel...so the view of an all power wielding entity really never was on the functional basis, until it came time for personnel movements.

But in '89, Dallas about had the league's very worst defense around. But that changed as will the team evolving from last year...but believe me, it won't be on the principal of legitimation of authority. That is firmly in the hands of Jerry Jones, but the team is in the hands of Jason Garrett, who does delegate, as did Jimmy Johnson himself.
 

ConstantReboot

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,405
Reaction score
10,074
It appears that this power thing mentioned above, has become dysfunctional as well as out of tune with the realities of Jimmy Johnson and how the team actually worked. Jimmy Johnson was a functional psychiatrist on a team. He played off the good guy/bad guy, while all the time trying to come out smelling like a rose and all powerful. That is why he came into conflict with players, such as both Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman. Why he was able to substitute, originally, David Shula, as a real offensive coordinator and shift from a '90 Steve Walsh to a Steve Beuerlein challenge in both style and competition to Troy Aikman.

That direction above, might be straight for a folk ballad, but not based upon facts in play, even with that type of stereotyped Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy almost lost both Emmitt and Troy, for the team's benefit in '92. The Cowboys almost lost their chance at a Division crown, before Emmitt rejoined the team...and Troy didn't sign and get in fold with Jimmy, until December. That is when his contract was officially renegotiated.

But it took the release of David Shula, and a last resort tasking for Norv Turner that brought Troy Aikman out of a depression, and set him up in close association with Turner.

As to Jimmy...he gave his assistants as much room as anyone in the business. He rarely directly coached a player during practice. During game week, Jimmy didn't follow a set schedule, and free-lanced...dropping in on assistants individually or in meetings to see what they have in mind for the next game plan. He mostly let his coordinator plan strategy. Occasionally, Jimmy 'vetoed' his coordinator plan strategy by making a 'suggestion.'

But mostly, he allowed coordinators to make X's and O's directly, while he managed the media and big-picture player movements involving cuts or trades.

During games, he allowed Wannstedt to make defensive calls and on offense, Turner to call plays. Occasionally, Jimmy would change a pass play or type of defense being used, but the job usually just fell to his coordinators. At first, it was Jimmy telling his coordinator when to play Beuerlein or Troy Aikman...all a head game. That changed when Jimmy needed to win with Troy, and brought in a former quarterback and a last resort of choice, to give more immediate support of Troy. Turner changed the passing game, around the strength of a physically strong quarterback, who threw a strong football, and who had a very quick release. What he did for the Cowboys, was to simplify decisions for both his receivers and quarterback. Shorten the drop back, and give talented receivers quick developing/shorter routes that gave immediate advantage at a predetermined directional distanced point. As the receiver cut, the advantaged throw was already there for the receiver to take advantage of...and the run was watered, with the movement of a slimmed down Nate Newton to left guard and Erik Williams out to right tackle...but that is besides the point, now.

A leader provides a leader beneath himself, the room to function at his role. No, Jimmy didn't call most of the offense or defense...his Coordinators did. And the player loyalties of those players, were placed in their coordinators then. It took the effect of Wannstedt to keep the whole team on an even keel...so the view of an all power wielding entity really never was on the functional basis, until it came time for personnel movements.

But in '89, Dallas about had the league's very worst defense around. But that changed as will the team evolving from last year...but believe me, it won't be on the principal of legitimation of authority. That is firmly in the hands of Jerry Jones, but the team is in the hands of Jason Garrett, who does delegate, as did Jimmy Johnson himself.

I didn't say that Johnson didn't delegate. Im saying that he took matters into his own hands when he needed to rather than rely on some kind of hierarchy which you pointed out.

Results matter. Im not even going to compare him to Garrett and this team because it seems blasphemous in doing so. Like I mentioned before. If Garrett maybe took a better route rather than being so politically correct we might have a more functional and disciplined team. Johnson would never, ever tolerate 4 fumbles in a row by his leading runner. He would also not tolerate a CB who gets beaten repeatedly to throw a tantrum and not show up for practice. There would be fines. There would be punishment handed out and possibly be players being cut. We would probably have a better team than the one you see now.
 

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,475
Reaction score
22,885
How many years has it been since the Dallas Cowboys had as good a rushing back, as they now have in Demarco Murray? Did that just happen last week or two...again?

Ever wonder why Jimmy Johnson didn't last at any place where he was a coach, for more than four years? It could be in how long it took for him to wear out a welcome or lose credibility himself.

Think one is going to maintain a respect and total commitment in team, when they are treated as little more than his conveniences on the field?

With Jimmy, there were reasons for the need for a level of buffer coaches. He grated upon players and believed that he could actually go out, do the shopping, and come back with the same quality of replacement indiscriminantly. That wasn't just the way that the NFL evolved into.

First off, Jimmy benefited by the ability of Jerry Jones to wheel and deal at the level that he was able to do...when the team was first put together between Jimmy and Jerry. The Herchel Walker trade paved the way for a complete team reversal...after a competent offensive and defensive coordinator were also added.

I'm not going to miss the fact that it required a complete coaching staff, beyond just the head coach.

But ego drove Jimmy Johnson almost completely...and in the process, he sold his own team out from under himself. Forcing Jerry to have to terminate his position in the organization. Then, Jimmy was great for about four seasons, and a boat load of opportunity to maintain his player strengths. When his direct knowledge of collegiate players started to run out, and his ability to wheel and deal...well, 'ol Jimma' wore out as well.

Oh, I'll agree. He put together a dynasty, with Jerry Jones' assistance...but I'm not into hero worship. Then sacrifice my pride to old memories. No, I cherish those old memories...but I'm not going to forget that American soldiers occupying Japan following their surrender, ran sanctioned brothels as well, and were responsible for a large sector of Japanese women being paid off by the American government for services 'rendered' back then.

There is a complete picture as well...and Jason Garrett just doesn't live in the Emperor's Palace and being responsible for killing off the old Japanese Samurai. No, the sport lives today, as to Cowboy football. If one chooses to root for the good in it, it also is on the way back to a point of strength...even in today's world. Which isn't the same one that our parents fought for, when they entered into the fight for right in the Pacific and in Europe.

Oh, this is still Cowboy football, and memories of the greats, are still there...and a comparison to quality of play is returning to direct comparisons of those teams. Oh, there was a Landry before Johnson...and there is quality now as well.
 
Top