Murray = Julius?

[theogt]

Running backs are a dime a dozen. Sometimes they flash, sometimes they're ordinary. By and large, their success depends on the offensive line, not their own skill.

I'd say that Murray still looks like a better back than Felix (and better than Julius), but he's not going to be some all time great or anything.

 

[Seven]

Um actually your wrong, you obviously dont understand logic. what you did in this thread is a Post Hoc Ergo logical fallacy.

Potty mouth.............

 

[Marktui]

He has started 6 games? All the new Emmitt and the busts predictions should be halted right now. Just let him play and see what happens. Right now, he had a good stretch of games where he had success. Right now he should be starting over Felix, he gives us a good running option. That's about it.

 

[goshan]

Um actually your wrong, you obviously dont understand logic. what you did in this thread is a Post Hoc Ergo logical fallacy.

Ok Ender... Wrong at what? I explained the pattern and situation and why I thought it was a relevant topic. Sure, I used a little drama and doom/gloom in the post title to get people to engage in the conversation. My bad. But it is a totally reasonable and sound topic to discuss, and many people are discussing it. Unfortunately it seems like it will be impossible for for me to overcome your confusion and bewilderness over why this topic could be a logical debate.

 

[Keystone_Heavy]

Um actually your wrong, you obviously dont understand logic. what you did in this thread is a Post Hoc Ergo logical fallacy.

No its not, its just a simple comparison.

 

[Ender]

Ok Ender... Wrong at what? I explained the pattern and situation and why I thought it was a relevant topic. Sure, I used a little drama and doom/gloom in the post title to get people to engage in the conversation. My bad. But it is a totally reasonable and sound topic to discuss, and many people are discussing it. Unfortunately it seems like it will be impossible for for me to overcome your confusion and bewilderness over why this topic could be a logical debate.

I was fine with the topic, and of course disagree, but dont try to make this into simple logical reasoning when it obviously is not. You brought logical reasoning into this topic. I pointed out you were mistaken. Now im confused and bewildered? Really seems like you are.

 

[Future]

you said no one is comparing murray to jones - not by a longshot.

the thread title says "murray = jones".

i don't care if there's a ? there or not, the comparison is there and stupid.

Noooo what I said was that nobody is saying Murray's career is GOING TO parallel Julius'. Obviously the two are being compared...but the way you're reading the thread title is acting like it's a statement of fact that the two will have similar careers. That's just not the case.

Throwing the thought out there isn't saying that.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I will say it again. Murray is not the problem the past few games, but neither was Felix. Fiametta missing is the problem with this atrocious run blocking team. Felix with Fiametta 17 carries 115 yards. We know what Murray did with Fiametta.

 

[Ender]

No its not, its just a simple comparison.

Ummm how about you actually read a couple post prior to engaging. Then maybe youll know what im referring to...

 

[Rhubarb]

Technically Ender, he's guilty of the hasty generalization fallacy more than the post hoc. Post hoc indicates causality (i.e. Julius CAUSED DeMarco to be bad), while hasty generalization indicates a sample size too small to give any indication of a truth (i.e. Julius's first 7 games were great, then he turned out bad performances. DeMarco's first 7 games were great, but his last one stunk. Therefore, the rest of DeMarco's games are probably going to stink.)

Bottom line is, we have no idea of knowing how it'll turn out. Was it just a bad game or an indicator of things to come? No idea. Something that SEVERAL people in this forum might want to ponder before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Ender]

Technically Ender, he's guilty of the hasty generalization fallacy more than the post hoc. Post hoc indicates causality (i.e. Julius CAUSED DeMarco to be bad), while hasty generalization indicates a sample size too small to give any indication of a truth (i.e. Julius's first 7 games were great, then he turned out bad performances. DeMarco's first 7 games were great, but his last one stunk. Therefore, the rest of DeMarco's games are probably going to stink.)

Bottom line is, we have no idea of knowing how it'll turn out. Was it just a bad game or an indicator of things to come? No idea. Something that SEVERAL people in this forum might want to ponder before jumping to conclusions.

I stand corrected

 

[goshan]

Technically Ender, he's guilty of the hasty generalization fallacy more than the post hoc. Post hoc indicates causality (i.e. Julius CAUSED DeMarco to be bad), while hasty generalization indicates a sample size too small to give any indication of a truth (i.e. Julius's first 7 games were great, then he turned out bad performances. DeMarco's first 7 games were great, but his last one stunk. Therefore, the rest of DeMarco's games are probably going to stink.)

Bottom line is, we have no idea of knowing how it'll turn out. Was it just a bad game or an indicator of things to come? No idea. Something that SEVERAL people in this forum might want to ponder before jumping to conclusions.

Actually, you are guilty of not being able to digest and process information. No where did I reach a conclusion on Murray nor imply there was any sort of correlation between one career or the other. At this point it is anyone's opinion, there certainly isn't any statistical model that will tell us how it will turn out - there is no correlation between two indepdendent football careers But there is enough similarities in the situations to have a debate/discussion about how people think it will turn out.

 

[Rhubarb]

Actually, you are guilty of not being able to digest and process information. No where did I reach a conclusion on Murray nor imply there was any sort of correlation between one career or the other. At this point it is anyone's opinion, there certainly isn't any statistical model that will tell us how it will turn out - there is no correlation between two indepdendent football careers But there is enough similarities in the situations to have a debate/discussion about how people think it will turn out.

I went right over your head, didn't I?

 

[Stautner]

This has become comical. The OP merely opened a topic of converstion. There was no definitive conclusion presented, there was no attempt to lead other posters down a path, and there was no suggestion that there was a sufficient sample size of Murray's career to reach a definitive conclusion. There was only a recognition that Murray got off to a hot start in his career just as Julius did, and people were left to offer their own opinions as to why they believe Murray will or wont follow a similar career path.

 

[ufcrules1]

Murray is a very good back and nothing like Julis Jones who would run a draw and nothing else they are not the same type of RB. As for yesterday Arz went into the game putting 8 in the box and relied on one on one coverage. They gave up yards in the passing game but we were unable to make enough big plays to get them to back off of the line.

Why were we not able to move the ball better by passing it? If they stacked the box, that should have left our receivers with some good match ups.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why were we not able to move the ball better by passing it? If they stacked the box, that should have left our receivers with some good match ups.

Frankly our WR should have done a better job of getting open. We had some drops that hurt and quite frankly Arz CB did a good job of not getting beat deep. Especially Peterson who I felt stuck with Dez on some deep balls perfectly. We gave up some sacks and 3 of those were easily coverage sacks where Romo just had nowhere to go with the ball.

 

[iceberg]

If you think the comparison of the two Cowboy rookie RB careers is stupid you have a logic problem - meaning you can't apply logic and see potential patterns. Both RB, during their rookie seasons, had a burst of very good to great performances that made fans describe the RB as the best since Esmith. In JJones case, he fizilled out and never returned to form. In Murray's case, his stats have fallen off the past three games and it is unknown how we will turn out long-term. I made the post to see where people stood on the matter. If you are unable to logically discuss it because either (1) you see no pattern and can't handle this complex of analysis mentally or (2) you love Murray and are the type that can never question something you love this much, then fine. Hopefully others can think a little deeper.

i can apply logic just fine.

i don't homer up.

how "DEEP" do you have to go to say "jones had a big game then nothing, murray did it too!!! OH MY GOSH NOES!!!!! (panic panic panic)

the fact you think this is "complex thought" means i just need to walk away from the cliff claven mentality and leave you to reach to the outter depths of intelligence.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Three weeks ago, most named Murray the best Cowboy RB since Emmitt. A few warned about early anointing him like what happened with Julius Jones, but most said they have seen enough.

The past 60 carries, Murray has averaged around 3.2 YPC. And he looked a little soft to me against the Cards - not finishing runs with the physicality that has been core to his success. Over that same period, Felix has averaged over 5 YPC.

Which is it?

1. Murray is a flash in the pan like Julius. In a few years he won't even be on the field, at least not a starter.
2. Murray is a good, solid around back that got off to a hot start. He is a 1200 yards per year guy and a good all around back. But not an elite runner.
3. Murray is a great RB. He will get going again - especially if we get a lead blocker like Tony F back on the field. He will be a top 5-7 back in the NFL for several years, and likely average 4.5+ YPC.

4. Murray had a real FB in Fiametta for his initial games, and not a fake FB in Phillips.

 

[iceberg]

Noooo what I said was that nobody is saying Murray's career is GOING TO parallel Julius'. Obviously the two are being compared...but the way you're reading the thread title is acting like it's a statement of fact that the two will have similar careers. That's just not the case.

Throwing the thought out there isn't saying that.

maybe not, but it's premature. the OP has already said he added the "doom and gloom" and if you want to take your opinion/deep analysis seriously, don't give me a NATIONAL ENQUIRER headline.

truth be told we have no idea where murray will end. if you want to compare the 2, let's compare not just the RB, but the team, the D they both played in this 6-8 game stretch, how were the defenses rated? how was the OL rated then and now. what were the ultimate results of the teams we faced during that stretch.

the OP was saying there are some who can't handle this level of "complex thought" but to compare 1 rb with another based on half-arsed comments and stats is the base level of NOT thinking deeply about a topic.

it's seeing 2 groups of similiar numbers and getting into a twist they'll go the same direction.

no way of know until you look at far more than what the OP has discussed to date. which is why ya'll can have fun.

i'm of the mindset i'll see what murray does as his career unfolds. not compare him to past busts with a side of drama then try to pass it off as "thoughtful conversation".

it's cheers at 2am and the OP is being a claven.

 

[iceberg]

Actually, you are guilty of not being able to digest and process information. No where did I reach a conclusion on Murray nor imply there was any sort of correlation between one career or the other. At this point it is anyone's opinion, there certainly isn't any statistical model that will tell us how it will turn out - there is no correlation between two indepdendent football careers But there is enough similarities in the situations to have a debate/discussion about how people think it will turn out.

this is a common shield for what i'd view as "low level thinking" or more reacting at this point, not thinking.

reaction - demarco = julius
thinking - comparing the initial careers of demarco vs. julius, the OL, the defenses faced, prep time and the like...

you went door 1 dude. don't try to say it belongs in the realm of deep discussion cause it's self-admitted drama.