My feel good post draft assessment

[Toruk_Makto]

Time of possession in 2014 generated a lot more points than it did in 2015.
PPG is the only data that matters... Zeke will make a difference... no use in fighting it.

And what was missing was a running back? And you claim to watch the games?

 

[RoboQB]

And what was missing was a running back? And you claim to watch the games?

Yep.. every single one right to the bitter end.... You've been crying about the 4th overall pick at every turn and refuse to let it go.
Go ahead.. be miserable... no sense in raining on everyone else's parade... Pick one thread.. make a thread.. and complain all you want.
The title of this thread is "... feel good post draft assessment".

Before Dez was hurt, and Romo, the plan was to have a knucklehead be the lead back... now he's in jail somewhere, I think.
DMac's contract tells you he was here to backup the knucklehead. After Randle's idiocy took the staff over the limit, DMAC stepped in
and played admirably. He was never meant to be the long term answer. We just got instant offense by drafting Elliott. You should be ecstatic.
You're not... We get it... We think you're wrong... You think we're wrong... Either way, it doesn't really matter.

 

[darthseinfeld]

You think the tempo of the game relies on the running back in the running game? Let's say that it did (the illusion of truth lie)... Why do we need to spend a 4th and 4 first round lineman to achieve it? We were down one of those first round talents and only had a 3rd round running back in 2014.

Ans did you use total yards to judge our pass defense and not our ability to make opposing defense inefficient when throwing the ball? That's lying with statistics.

Which is what you did calling comparing the TOP between 2014 and 2015 as the basis of comparing the ability of the 2014 Cowboys and 2015 Cowboys to control a game. Empty stats.

It takes more then just an offensive line to effectively and consitantly have an effective ground game as we saw last year with Randles struggles and McFadden's inconsistency. Like we saw Derrick Lassic in 1992 when Emmitt held out, and Sherman Williams in 1995. Both 2nd round picks with celebrated college careers. The illusion that we can run anyone behind a dominant OL should have been exposed way back then sparing us last years mess, which was ineffective even with Romo and Bryant in the lineup.

Can you get an effective back in the mid rounds. Sure, but we tried to trade for a 3rd round back last year in Terrance West who failed so miserably with the team that traded for him that he got cut. And we traded for a former 2nd round pick in Michael that did so well here he got cut. So it a fallacy to believe we can just run any mid round pick behind a dominant OL and have a sound running game

 

[cowboyuptx]

Romo was the driving force behind the team's success in 2014, not Demarco Murray and the running game! It was Romo converting 3rd downs and making clutch throws... Not that Murray and the ground game didn't also pull their weight (for once), but it was still 9 that made the whole thing work... And that will not change with the arrival of Elliott... Romo will still have to be clutch as hell, and will still have to perform at a MVP level if we are to overcome our holes on defense and even sniff the playoffs in 2016-17... Zeke now has the weight of Cowboys nation thrust upon his crop-top wearing shoulders, I hope he doesn't crumble under it...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Which is what you did calling comparing the TOP between 2014 and 2015 as the basis of comparing the ability of the 2014 Cowboys and 2015 Cowboys to control a game. Empty stats.

It takes more then just an offensive line to effectively and consitantly have an effective ground game as we saw last year with Randles struggles and McFadden's inconsistency. Like we saw Derrick Lassic in 1992 when Emmitt held out, and Sherman Williams in 1995. Both 2nd round picks with celebrated college careers. The illusion that we can run anyone behind a dominant OL should have been exposed way back then sparing us last years mess, which was ineffective even with Romo and Bryant in the lineup.

Can you get an effective back in the mid rounds. Sure, but we tried to trade for a 3rd round back last year in Terrance West who failed so miserably with the team that traded for him that he got cut. And we traded for a former 2nd round pick in Michael that did so well here he got cut. So it a fallacy to believe we can just run any mid round pick behind a dominant OL and have a sound running game

What part of last year's 4.63 ypc was disappointing?

What was inconsistent about Dmac from the time he became our full time starter in week 7?

And we'll never know why Michael wasn't trusted but he's not proof of anything. More likely than not he didn't pick up the playbook or rubbed coaches in the wrong way.

I will say it's very interesting that people can look at 2015 and see proof that we needed to spend the 4th pick in the NFL Draft to "get back to 2014".

 

[Dhragon]

Romo was the driving force behind the team's success in 2014, not Demarco Murray and the running game! It was Romo converting 3rd downs and making clutch throws... Not that Murray and the ground game didn't also pull their weight (for once), but it was still 9 that made the whole thing work... And that will not change with the arrival of Elliott... Romo will still have to be clutch as hell, and will still have to perform at a MVP level if we are to overcome our holes on defense and even sniff the playoffs in 2016-17... Zeke now has the weight of Cowboys nation thrust upon his crop-top wearing shoulders, I hope he doesn't crumble under it...

Romo really is the main cog - Zeke won't be able to shoulder it all if Romo goes down again. But if somehow, someway Romo can remain healthy and effective next year, that extra juice Zeke brings can really make a difference I believe over a decent back like McFadden.

Like 2014 when we were supposed to have the worst defense in history before the season even began, I believe our defense will perform much better than most expect during the first four games during the suspensions and beyond. What will be improved will be the offense, getting more first downs and most importantly, scores. Maybe that will be enough to get us over the hump of another Green Bay "no catch" call if we can get to that point again.

 

[Dhragon]

What part of last year's 4.63 ypc was disappointing?

What was inconsistent about Dmac from the time he became our full time starter in week 7?

And we'll never know why Michael wasn't trusted but he's not proof of anything. More likely than not he didn't pick up the playbook or rubbed coaches in the wrong way.

I will say it's very interesting that people can look at 2015 and see proof that we needed to spend the 4th pick in the NFL Draft to "get back to 2014".

DMAC performed admirably but could not score much. That was probably the most important piece missing from last year. If he had Romo, would he have scored more? Maybe. The coming year we should be able to see a good comparison of the two as they will both get carries behind the same O-line. Then we'll see if and by how much Zeke is an upgrade. I'm willing to bet he is a pretty big upgrade.

 

[Sydla]

In reality the whole draft comes down to Smith. If he never plays or is a shell of himself if he can play the draft is largely a bust IMO. We all know what we are going to get from Elliott but that 2nd pick is a premium pick that could have resulted in a starter from Day One in a variety of positions we had a need.

If Smith is just a solid 10 year vet for us, the draft is a win.

If Smith turns into the dominant stud projected before the knee injury, it's a kick *** draft.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

DMAC performed admirably but could not score much. That was probably the most important piece missing from last year. If he had Romo, would he have scored more? Maybe. The coming year we should be able to see a good comparison of the two as they will both get carries behind the same O-line. Then we'll see if and by how much Zeke is an upgrade. I'm willing to bet he is a pretty big upgrade.

Let's hope he is a massive upgrade.

We just spent the number 4 pick and 30m guaranteed.

 

[Dhragon]

Let's hope he is a massive upgrade.

We just spent the number 4 pick and 30m guaranteed.

I understand where you are coming from. You make strong arguments for why you are right. I'm just not a big believer in Ramsey or any other defender at the #4 spot so it's easy for me to ignore the logistics you are talking about and be excited. But if I did believe in the Ramsey hype like you do (which may well be warranted, we'll see), I'd be upset wit the pick as well since we could have had Ramsey if we wanted. For the Cowboys sake and ours, let's hope Garrett was right when he pounded the table to get Elliott.

 

[darthseinfeld]

What part of last year's 4.63 ypc was disappointing?

What was inconsistent about Dmac from the time he became our full time starter in week 7?

And we'll never know why Michael wasn't trusted but he's not proof of anything. More likely than not he didn't pick up the playbook or rubbed coaches in the wrong way.

I will say it's very interesting that people can look at 2015 and see proof that we needed to spend the 4th pick in the NFL Draft to "get back to 2014".

McFadden was anything but consistent when he become the starter. 100 yards one week. 30 the next. 100 yards the week after that. 50 the next. He is a good back but a pure man blocking running back running behind a line that plays better in zone blocking. A truly elite back can run both man and zone

 

[Cas2800]

The illusion of truth.

People can keep saying this same thing. The data from 2014 and 2015 exactly contradicts the notion that we need(ed) a Zeke to do this "keep the defense off the field" thing.

The fact of the matter is that without competent QB play and a missing or hobbled Dez Bryant our offense held the ball for just a minute fewer than we did in 2014 when we had Murray set the world on fire.

Let's stop believing this lie just because people keep repeating it.

How about you maybe quite spreading doom and gloom on every post. We already heard how you feel on every other post.

 

[Alexander]

And what was missing was a running back? And you claim to watch the games?

And at the end of the day, the team decided, well, yes.

I wonder if they watched the games either.

 

[Alexander]

How about you maybe quite spreading doom and gloom on every post. We already heard how you feel on every other post.

Funny how the dialogue reverses itself.

Three days ago, Lion King Guy was Mr. Contrarian to anything remotely negative.

Now, the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

How about you maybe quite spreading doom and gloom on every post. We already heard how you feel on every other post.

It's not doom and gloom. I've said I like most every player we picked.

But while the conversation continues to center around Zeke. I'll chime in.

Funny how the dialogue reverses itself.

Three days ago, Lion King Guy was Mr. Contrarian to anything remotely negative.

Now, the shoe is on the other foot.

Come again? I criticized the Zeke pick since the moment it was announced. And really even before we did take him and folks advocated for it. But by all means please quote where i've been inconsistent.

And at the end of the day, the team decided, well, yes.

I wonder if they watched the games either.

Oh...suddenly the team can do no wrong in your eyes? Interesting.

 

[Alexander]

Come again? I criticized the Zeke pick since the moment it was announced. And really even before we did take him and folks advocated for it. But by all means please quote where i've been inconsistent.

Sorry, my apologies. Tack on a couple more days.

Oh...suddenly the team can do no wrong in your eyes? Interesting.

I guess I am just like you a week or so ago.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Sorry, my apologies. Tack on a couple more days.

I guess I am just like you a week or so ago.

Strawmen arguments are not fun, contrary to what you may have read.

 

[darthseinfeld]