My meaningless thoughts on the game...

[baj1dallas]

I didnt hear Pat Watkins name much, ill take that as a good sign

He made a couple tackles. And his coverage must have been alright, they went downfield like twice the whole game before garbage time.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I actually thought the officiating was decent tonite. I did not feel that the Columbo penalty was a bad call necessary, it was away from the play but i thought it was the right call.

I think you are absolutely right about the Ware penalty. Brunell still had the ball when contact was made, that was bologna.

I thought the officiating was good for the most part, it just got off to a bad start. I still don't see the Colombo penalty. He went to make a legal block and whiffed and fell to the ground. He may have tripped over the defender, but it wasn't malicious that could've possibly harmed the defender and it was way away from the play.

The Ware call was the correct call. Problem is that Brunnell went to throw, then ducked at the last second while Ware tried to hold up on him. Correct call, but the league needs to change the rule and make it like the facemask. You still want to protect the QB, but I don't see why they should be so much more protected than another player who gets grabbed by the face mask.


YAKUZA

 

[SupermanXx]

regardless, did you see Parcells go up to Flozell before the game was over on the sidelines and do that thing where he "slaps" your face to let you know you did a great job?

 

[Rack]

-They put Carpenter in there because he's probably better at LB than Hoyte is so far. But, he made a mental mistake on his first play and just isn't a very good special teams player.

How do you know how good (or bad) of a special teams player Carp is? Just wondering, cuz the TV view basically only shows the ball so you can't see what he did or didn't do during the play.

-Glad to see them get Fasano involved. If you're running the 2 TE set, you've got to use both TE's.

He's the 4th option and that's what he should remain. When you've got TO, Terry Glenn, and Jason Witten, THEY need to be involved in the offense. If all of them are covered, then go to Fasano (which is what Drew did last night). He doesn't "Have" to be involved. If those other guys are open, I'd rather them have the ball in their hands.

-Ahh....Jason Hatcher absolutely abused Chris Samuels when he was in the game on nickel downs.

Hatcher is an interior lineman on our nickel D. How did an interior Lineman abuse an Offensive tackle? I'm sure they ran something a couple of times where he looped outside and got picked up by Samuels, but to say "he abused him when he was in there" is false. Samuels and Hatcher most likely rarely ever locked up.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Hatcher is an interior lineman on our nickel D. How did an interior Lineman abuse an Offensive tackle? I'm sure they ran something a couple of times where he looped outside and got picked up by Samuels, but to say "he abused him when he was in there" is false. Samuels and Hatcher most likely rarely ever locked up.

Depends on where they have Ware. So far, Ware has been a LB in the nickel for the most part and they'll have him positioned in different spots. When Ware is the LB in the nickel, Hatcher plays the RDE spot. When Ware is the RDE in the nickel, Hatcher moves inside. Looked like Hatcher was playing RDE in the nickel for the most part last night. He played it exclusively against the Jags.


YAKUZA

 

[Rack]

Depends on where they have Ware. So far, Ware has been a LB in the nickel for the most part and they'll have him positioned in different spots. When Ware is the LB in the nickel, Hatcher plays the RDE spot. When Ware is the RDE in the nickel, Hatcher moves inside. Looked like Hatcher was playing RDE in the nickel for the most part last night. He played it exclusively against the Jags.


YAKUZA

What? I don't recall a single play where Ware was a LB in the nickel, and he certainly hasn't been one for "the most part". He lines up as a DE in our nickel D every single time (as far as I know).


You're getting the 3-4 mixed up with the Nickel.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What? I don't recall a single play where Ware was a LB in the nickel, and he certainly hasn't been one for "the most part". He lines up as a DE in our nickel D every single time (as far as I know).


You're getting the 3-4 mixed up with the Nickel.

I'll have to chart the Skins game, but in the Jags game he did play the LB spot in the nickel...almost exclusively.

One of the packages they would run would have Ellis, Ratliff, Spears, and Hatcher as the D-Line in the nickel and then have Ware standing next to Ellis (who was in a 3 point stance, so it wasn't a 3-4) and rushing the passer.


YAKUZA

 

[TheEnigma]

Hatcher is an interior lineman on our nickel D. How did an interior Lineman abuse an Offensive tackle? I'm sure they ran something a couple of times where he looped outside and got picked up by Samuels, but to say "he abused him when he was in there" is false. Samuels and Hatcher most likely rarely ever locked up.

I thought it was Ratliff that played DT in the nickel.

 

[theogt]

Was anyone able to hear the crowd chanting "Commanders suck?" It wasn't the classiest of things, but hearing 50,000 people chanting "Commanders suck" with 27-10 on the board was pretty fun..

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I thought it was Ratliff that played DT in the nickel.

He does. But there's one other DT spot. In the Jags game they pretty much put Spears there most of the time. I didn't see whom they had alongside Ratliff in the Skins game, but I did see Hatcher play the RDE spot in the nickel quite a few times. Unless my eyes are mistaking me.


YAKUZA
damn eyes

 

[theogt]

I'll have to chart the Skins game, but in the Jags game he did play the LB spot in the nickel...almost exclusively.

One of the packages they would run would have Ellis, Ratliff, Spears, and Hatcher as the D-Line in the nickel and then have Ware standing next to Ellis (who was in a 3 point stance, so it wasn't a 3-4) and rushing the passer.


YAKUZA

Ware was actually not involved on a couple nickel packages against the Commanders. It was late in the game, though, so I just assumed he was being given a rest.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Was anyone able to hear the crowd chanting "Commanders suck?" It wasn't the classiest of things, but hearing 50,000 people chanting "Commanders suck" with 27-10 on the board was pretty fun..

I was hoping for a "Happy Birthday Dear Mark" chant personally.


YAKUZA

 

[RCowboyFan]

Was anyone able to hear the crowd chanting "Commanders suck?" It wasn't the classiest of things, but hearing 50,000 people chanting "Commanders suck" with 27-10 on the board was pretty fun..

Well, when I went to game last year, we were doing that or the whole crowd was doing it frequently during the game. Besides, that crowd was rocking due to triplets inductions to ROH. I still can't get over that loss.

 

[Rack]

I'll have to chart the Skins game, but in the Jags game he did play the LB spot in the nickel...almost exclusively.

One of the packages they would run would have Ellis, Ratliff, Spears, and Hatcher as the D-Line in the nickel and then have Ware standing next to Ellis (who was in a 3 point stance, so it wasn't a 3-4) and rushing the passer.


YAKUZA

No, he didn't.

I thought it was Ratliff that played DT in the nickel.

There are two DTs in the nickel Defense. One of them was Ratliff, the other was Hatcher.

We even rotated in some other guys.

 

[Clove]

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YAKUZA

Honestly Rich, you are a one the greats of this forum, keep it up.
When you go and do your evaluation of the game, you will start along with myself, the new Jason Hatcher bandwagon. This guy here is flying under the radar, but he is a force.. And Spears is becoming a star as we speak.

I know we've all been on the Canty bandwagon, but this Spears is starting to shove Olinemen around like grocery carts.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

One of the packages they would run would have Ellis, Ratliff, Spears, and Hatcher as the D-Line in the nickel and then have Ware standing next to Ellis (who was in a 3 point stance, so it wasn't a 3-4) and rushing the passer.


YAKUZA

No, he didn't.

Yes he did. They had 4 down linemen in a 3 point stance. Glenn, Henry, Newman and Watkins were in the game. Bradie James was the other LB and Ware was standing up, rushing the passer. This happened quite often.

In fact, if you can find a link to the pass that Henry should've picked off in the Jags game, that was a perfect example of the defense. Ellis was in a 3 point stance lined up across from Maurice Williams. Ratliff and Spears were the DT's. Hatcher was at the RDE spot. Ware was standing up, next to Ellis and had George Wrighster lined up across from him, whom Ware pushed back and lifted up in the air into Leftwich.


YAKUZA

 

[theogt]

Yes he did. They had 4 down linemen in a 3 point stance. Glenn, Henry, Newman and Watkins were in the game. Bradie James was the other LB and Ware was standing up, rushing the passer. This happened quite often.

In fact, if you can find a link to the pass that Henry should've picked off in the Jags game, that was a perfect example of the defense. Ellis was in a 3 point stance lined up across from Maurice Williams. Ratliff and Spears were the DT's. Hatcher was at the RDE spot. Ware was standing up, next to Ellis and had George Wrighster lined up across from him, whom Ware pushed back and lifted up in the air into Leftwich.


YAKUZA

On the 3rd and 15 of Jacksonville's second drive Ware was in as a LB in the nickel package.

 

[RCowboyFan]

No, he didn't.





There are two DTs in the nickel Defense. One of them was Ratliff, the other was Hatcher.

We even rotated in some other guys.

Ware played LB in Nickel quite a bit, from what I saw. Not sure what the percentage was, but he was standup, while Ellis quite often was down lineman.

The Sack, which was taken away due to penalty I think was from LB Spot, althought I could be wrong.

 

[dboyz]

I do recall Hatcher being at RDE once near the end and he did a nice job getting around Samuels. IIRC he forced Brunell to step up and someone else sacked him.

 

[Rack]

Ware has not been a LB in our Nickel D. They may have him moving around, and therefore he has to standup, but he's not a LB.


He's a rusher, standing up or hand down.


Someone post a clip and prove me wrong. But I'm pretty sure Ware hasn't been LB in our nickel (unless we're running a 3-3-5, with Ware was as a LB, but since he's doing nothing but rushing it's basically a 4-2-5 with one of the DEs - Ware - moving around).