My Mock 1.0 Post Combine

[xwalker]

You see what im doing heavy D and only offensive is T and a late Harris replacement. I could easily roll dice for one year with Randlr/Dunbar or a steal like Ingram with this line. Im just not drafting one this year. I also dont understand the love for Parnell i think he sevicable but not everyday starter never understood peoples lovefest with him. Get a stud like Williams now then were set. Then i might be able to run in back of that line. Lol If they let me only run 3 plays.

Do you realize that one of the people that "love" Parnell is the Cowboy's now ex OL coach Bill Callahan? Do you know more than he does about it? He would have benched Free back in 2012, but management would not let him bench Free who at the time was making 7M per season. They eventually compromised and had Free and Parnell rotate series that year. When interviewed this past season he said that people are missing the story of how Parnell has developed into a terrific player.

 

[xwalker]

You can't base much on rankings because his in Senior bowl and his good combine moves him into late 1st possibly. Taiwan Jones your wrong about watch his film. Hellova tackler to be 245. He'd be fine. Only pick i was unsure of is Bennett is probably early 2nd. If hes gone id go Gabe Wright Auburn with 3rd.

I went back and reviewed some more game footage of Taiwan Jones. I agree that he would be a good 4th round pick. I probably wouldn't take him earlier because I don't know if he would be an option to play in the Nickel which is over 50% of the snaps, but he looks like he would be solid in the base defense at MLB or SLB.

 

[Bigtommyb]

As much as the Cowboys need guys on the DL... I'm really thinking that the BPA will be at corner, RB, WR or OL.

It is early and anything can happen but IMO there is a good chance they go offense if they stay at 27.

I disagree i think AP deal will not be resolved by draft maybe so.... i dont mind waiting for things to play out at least with him ...How could you not be optimistic with our line ? Randle doing something stupid ok...but while their not Murray, their faster and i could roll with them for a year. With our line Ingram's not Murray but would be 1100 with us easy. Im not picking a rb especially at 27. This DL is too important ... it makes backend better and we need young upgrades on this line im projecting 2 in the first 3 rounds thats the smart thing to do. Ok Randle stupid ish but its not serious stuff if Murray not here maybe he realizes he has to straighten up and fly right. No rb in draft we just disagree.

And that would be the dumbish

Do you realize that one of the people that "love" Parnell is the Cowboy's now ex OL coach Bill Callahan? Do you know more than he does about it? He would have benched Free back in 2012, but management would not let him bench Free who at the time was making 7M per season. They eventually compromised and had Free and Parnell rotate series that year. When interviewed this past season he said that people are missing the story of how Parnell has developed into a terrific player.

Do you realize that one of the people that "love" Parnell is the Cowboy's now ex OL coach Bill Callahan? Do you know more than he does about it? He would have benched Free back in 2012, but management would not let him bench Free who at the time was making 7M per season. They eventually compromised and had Free and Parnell rotate series that year. When interviewed this past season he said that people are missing the story of how Parnell has developed into a terrific player.

If we lose Murray and don't AT LEAST draft a RB in 1st 4 Rds I will not be very optimistic about the running game. Not only is Randle a relatively unknow commodity, but a increasingly high risk to do something(maybe already done something) bad enough to be suspended. To trust next season on Randle/Williams/Dunbar or a stop gap is not a smart option especially in this RB rich draft.

IMO mock drafts without a full off season plan for FAs should be based on the knowledge we have right now. Some user mocks are only doing this half way. They dont want to draft a RB because they assume AP will be here or Ingram or whomever, then say DL is our biggest need. Why assume RB will be taken care of before the draft but not DL? Mocks should be about what we know right now and if projecting, project the needs of right now. We know Jerry and Stephen have said Dez will be here and keeping both will be difficult at best. Reading between the lines clearly details RB will be a need in the draft unless a starting RB is brought in during free agency, which we have no way of knkwing, or Murray is brought back, which seems unlikely as things stand.

 

[Nirvana]

I want Dupree, however he will be gone and Smith has impressed me with Senior Bowl play and Combine.

I watched the three games of film at draftbreakdown of Preston Smith and wasn't too impressed. He actually impressed me more when he was lined up inside at the 3-tech position - he has a good swim move and gets pressure there more than on the outside. His size jumps off the screen and is definitely a plus, but for a 1st round pick at DE I'd like to see more pressure than he was getting on the outside. He shows good hustle and plays hard. I'd give him a 2nd round grade at best.

 

[Bigtommyb]

I watched the three games of film at draftbreakdown of Preston Smith and wasn't too impressed. He actually impressed me more when he was lined up inside at the 3-tech position - he has a good swim move and gets pressure there more than on the outside. His size jumps off the screen and is definitely a plus, but for a 1st round pick at DE I'd like to see more pressure than he was getting on the outside. He shows good hustle and plays hard. I'd give him a 2nd round grade at best.

I can agree with that!

 

[Nirvana]

I can agree with that!

I'm liking Odighizuwa and he may be medically OK according to him - said the teams told him this at combine.



Lots of positives here. One negative I see is he doesn't always get off on the snap as quick as you'd like. Yet sometimes he does and he really gets after the QB/RB and can get off blocks routinely.

 

[Bigtommyb]

I'm liking Odighizuwa and he may be medically OK according to him - said the teams told him this at combine.



Lots of positives here. One negative I see is he doesn't always get off on the snap as quick as you'd like. Yet sometimes he does and he really gets after the QB/RB and can get off blocks routinely.

Hes definitely a specime as is. Preston Smith, Nate Orchard Bud Dupree who i really want wont be there but we cant go wrong with any of them.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I disagree i think AP deal will not be resolved by draft maybe so.... i dont mind waiting for things to play out at least with him ...How could you not be optimistic with our line ? Randle doing something stupid ok...but while their not Murray, their faster and i could roll with them for a year. With our line Ingram's not Murray but would be 1100 with us easy. Im not picking a rb especially at 27. This DL is too important ... it makes backend better and we need young upgrades on this line im projecting 2 in the first 3 rounds thats the smart thing to do. Ok Randle stupid ish but its not serious stuff if Murray not here maybe he realizes he has to straighten up and fly right. No rb in draft we just disagree.

And that would be the dumbish

If you want to roll with just Randle, Williams and Dunbar, I think you are going to be disappointed. The Cowboys looked heavily at HB at the combine and interviewed just about every Day 1 and 2 HB. Expect to see most of them brought in for a pre draft visit and expect 1 of them to be drafted in the first 3 rounds.

This team won games on the ground last year and a big part that is probobly walking. It would be the smart thing to do

 

[Macnalty]

I am not in total agreement of passing up the talent in the RB category of this draft. It is a rich crop this year and some of you are forgetting that the run game was the 12th man for this defense. We do not need a quick strike weapon we need a grinder who slowly bleeds the opposing defense. IMO

 

[xwalker]

If you want to roll with just Randle, Williams and Dunbar, I think you are going to be disappointed. The Cowboys looked heavily at HB at the combine and interviewed just about every Day 1 and 2 HB. Expect to see most of them brought in for a pre draft visit and expect 1 of them to be drafted in the first 3 rounds.

This team won games on the ground last year and a big part that is probobly walking. It would be the smart thing to do

Yes, if the don't sign Murray and don't sign a FA RB, then it's almost guaranteed that they draft a RB.

 

[Bigtommyb]

[quote="Mact of passing up the talent in the RB category of this draft. It is a rich crop this year and some of you are forgetting that the run game was the 12th man for this defense. We do not need a quick strike weapon we need a grinder who slowly bleeds the opposing defense. IMO[/quote]

Like i said IMO im not drafting one ...yes we all know what was the importance in last year sucess. However dont forger the line deserves s much credit as Demarco. I said i dont want to draft one didnt say i wouldnt pick up one in FA. Ingram or someone else. Im not drafting one my opinion.

 

[darthseinfeld]

[quote="Mact of passing up the talent in the RB category of this draft. It is a rich crop this year and some of you are forgetting that the run game was the 12th man for this defense. We do not need a quick strike weapon we need a grinder who slowly bleeds the opposing defense. IMO

Like i said IMO im not drafting one ...yes we all know what was the importance in last year sucess. However dont forger the line deserves s much credit as Demarco. I said i dont want to draft one didnt say i wouldnt pick up one in FA. Ingram or someone else. Im not drafting one my opinion.[/quote]

The line does deserve as much credit as Murray, but we are losing half the credit and Ingram isnt going to come close to replacing Murray. You need a top class runner to go with a top class line to dominate in the run game. And if we dont dominate in the run game we are back to 8-8. Ingram, Randle and Williams aren't going to cut it

 

[Bigtommyb]

Like i said IMO im not drafting one ...yes we all know what was the importance in last year sucess. However dont forger the line deserves s much credit as Demarco. I said i dont want to draft one didnt say i wouldnt pick up one in FA. Ingram or someone else. Im not drafting one my op. Rb inion.

The line does deserve as much credit as Murray, but we are losing half the credit and Ingram isnt going to come close to replacing Murray. You need a top class runner to go with a top class line to dominate in the run game. And if we dont dominate in the run game we are back to 8-8. Ingram, Randle and Williams aren't going to cut it[/quote]

I never said Ingram is Murray but we disagree about you needing a top class runner to go with a top class line. Ingam would have 1000 yards with this line. We would not go back to 8-8. Any top caliber rb is mostly a product of their line,while there are exceptions to every rule? IE: Barry Sanders. Im not spending a first or 2nd on

 

[Sinister]

I'm liking Odighizuwa and he may be medically OK according to him - said the teams told him this at combine.



Lots of positives here. One negative I see is he doesn't always get off on the snap as quick as you'd like. Yet sometimes he does and he really gets after the QB/RB and can get off blocks routinely.

You're not kidding about getting off the snap. Watching this and having watched nothing else, I would definitely have questions about his motor. Was he playing hurt that game? He seemed to get pushed around a few times. I don't know I just have more questions after watching this.

Although he is a physical specimen, I don't know that I would take him with the 27th pick.

 

[darthseinfeld]

The line does deserve as much credit as Murray, but we are losing half the credit and Ingram isnt going to come close to replacing Murray. You need a top class runner to go with a top class line to dominate in the run game. And if we dont dominate in the run game we are back to 8-8. Ingram, Randle and Williams aren't going to cut it

I never said Ingram is Murray but we disagree about you needing a top class runner to go with a top class line. Ingam would have 1000 yards with this line. We would not go back to 8-8. Any top caliber rb is mostly a product of their line,while there are exceptions to every rule? IE: Barry Sanders. Im not spending a first or 2nd on[/quote]

A 1,000 yard runner wins us 8 games next year unless we have an 800 yard runner to go with him

 

[reddyuta]

i reaaly like preston smith,his ceiling is michael bennett imo and he is more dangerous inside.

 

[VACowboy]

With our line Ingram's not Murray but would be 1100 with us easy.

Do you mean Ingram will run for 1100 yards on Murray's 392 carries? There's nothing easy about that. That's 2.8 brutal YPC.

Do you mean Ingram will run for 1100 yards, 4.7 at a time? If so, you have much higher opinion of Ingram than I do.

Or do you mean Ingram will run for 1100 easy yards at something over four yards a carry, and that's good enough?

Whichever, I disagree with them all.

Dallas' success in 2014 came because Murray was a threat to go for 150 every game. Do you think you're going to get that from Ingram, Randle & Co? I don't.

(I have to confess: I've been a big JR fan. He has produced big-time on limited chances. He averaged 6.7 YPC on 51 carries last year, which is impressive but completely different than running the rock into 8-man fronts every first down like Murray did. So JR is still an unknown--which goes without mentioning what a mess he is OTF.)

Im not picking a rb especially at 27. This DL is too important ...

I think it's a huge mistake to pencil in a position to fill and eliminate others from consideration because of relative need (guarantee you NFL teams don't do this) . The Cowboys may decide they aren't going to draft Maxx Williams at #27, no matter what, but they aren't going to pass on Melvin Gordon for Preston Smith just because Gordon is a running back and Smith plays defensive end.

it makes backend better and we need young upgrades on this line im projecting 2 in the first 3 rounds thats the smart thing to do.

We need to upgrade the DL, but not at the expense of adding superior talent at other positions.

Ok Randle stupid ish but its not serious stuff if Murray not here

It's not serious until he gets suspended. It's not like it's been a one-time thing with Randle. He's established a pattern of behavior, and that is a major concern if we're depending on him to play a significant role on our team.

maybe he realizes he has to straighten up and fly right.

That's a mighty big "maybe" to accept at what has become one of the most important positions on the team.

We are not the Patriots. 3.9 YA by a stable of average backs will not get it done. If our guys aren't a threat to go for 4.5+ on any given down, we're in trouble. The Dallas OL was a major part of this happening last year, but IMHO, anyone who thinks we can plug in less talented runners and get the same result is fooling himself.

 

[AzorAhai]

Do you mean Ingram will run for 1100 yards on Murray's 392 carries? There's nothing easy about that. That's 2.8 brutal YPC.

Do you mean Ingram will run for 1100 yards, 4.7 at a time? If so, you have much higher opinion of Ingram than I do.

Or do you mean Ingram will run for 1100 easy yards at something over four yards a carry, and that's good enough?

Whichever, I disagree with them all.

Dallas' success in 2014 came because Murray was a threat to go for 150 every game. Do you think you're going to get that from Ingram, Randle & Co? I don't.

(I have to confess: I've been a big JR fan. He has produced big-time on limited chances. He averaged 6.7 YPC on 51 carries last year, which is impressive but completely different than running the rock into 8-man fronts every first down like Murray did. So JR is still an unknown--which goes without mentioning what a mess he is OTF.)



I think it's a huge mistake to pencil in a position to fill and eliminate others from consideration because of relative need (guarantee you NFL teams don't do this) . The Cowboys may decide they aren't going to draft Maxx Williams at #27, no matter what, but they aren't going to pass on Melvin Gordon for Preston Smith just because Gordon is a running back and Smith plays defensive end.



We need to upgrade the DL, but not at the expense of adding superior talent at other positions.



It's not serious until he gets suspended. It's not like it's been a one-time thing with Randle. He's established a pattern of behavior, and that is a major concern if we're depending on him to play a significant role on our team.



That's a mighty big "maybe" to accept at what has become one of the most important positions on the team.

We are not the Patriots. 3.9 YA by a stable of average backs will not get it done. If our guys aren't a threat to go for 4.5+ on any given down, we're in trouble. The Dallas OL was a major part of this happening last year, but IMHO, anyone who thinks we can plug in less talented runners and get the same result is fooling himself.

I love how people try to pencil in certain positions in certain rds. There is a very real possibility if you are dead set at picking De at 27 its Nate Orchard with a massive reach. Pass rushers always go higher than expected and OO could go before 27.