My observations of 92-93 JimmyJohnson winning & why we have been losing since;

[cowboyjoe]

I was watching the 92-93 america classics on nfl network with jimmy johnson as our head coach, why we won, and why we have been losing since;

First, as you all know, there were players on the team that wanted to just accept a check on tuesday with the old landry era. Dont get me wrong, i loved Tom Landry and the Cowboys, but at that age its hard to really coach a team, put all of the energy, etc to win and keep winning. Anyway, I am sure all of you agree with me, that Michael Irvin was a player that wanted to win, and hated to lose, he said on the 92 preview of cowboys era, that players told him when he was crying after a loss in 1988 etc, dont worry about it, youll get a check on tuesday. Irvin said that when Jimmy Johnson was hired as head coach and talked to him on the phone, he told Johnson this player needed to go, and that one, etc. He just wants to accept a check. I think to a large degree when Parcells came aboard, he purged some of that atmosphere, but again, when playoffs arrived, and parcells did get the team to the playoffs, they were flat, i am sure you all agree with me, however, i am being to wonder if there are just a few players that have that thinking still, its ok just to get to the playoffs, no big deal.

I watched the tapes, etc, and i got out of the video of 92 and 93 these facts and conclussions.

1. Attitude, when the players lost with jimmy johnson, he made the players feel like they lost by 40 points, that if the players didnt hate losing as much as he did, then he made them rue the day. THATS ONE THING AND THE FOREMOST ONE I SAW FIRST.

2. Superstar players, like emmitt smith said, sure jimmy johnson got onto him, but he told him you know why i did that, because if players see that my superstar players, and ones that i like cant get away with things, then i am in charge and they know it. Its like i remember what Nate Newton said, once, even in 1992 and he was a pro bowl player, he was scared that jimmy johnson would cut him at any time, so he busted his butt, then saw if he worked at studying tape, film, worked hard,, then he could be a good player and he was.

3. The players believed in Jimmy Johnson when he said, WE WILL TO IT PERIOD!!!!!! LIke in the super bowl second one against buffalo, at halftime he made adjustments, and told the players we are going to go out there, impose our will on them, and they did. And Emmitt Smith said, sure give me the ball, and he ran over the bills in the second half. With that, i am sure all of you guys saw Romo several times in the second half against the giants in the playoff loss, come on guys, lets go, but the offensive line, just timidly walked up to the offensive line of scrimmage. Again, I heard Nate Newton said, what he saw with the offensive line, they didnt do their cardivucular work in the bye week, and if you remember, romo said, we held back on some things against the Commanders. You cant do that and succeed, you have to go all out.

4. Repition of 2nd-3rd string players!!! Which in that loss to the Commanders, almost loss to the panthers, where T O got hurt, and flat playing against the eagles in dallas, it seemed that the 2nd string players didnt know where to go like on pass plays. So, with that, i bring up what jimmy johnson said in the first 0-2 losses starting out in 1993, emmitt smith hadnt signed a new contract holdout, and jimmy johnson didnt really prepare the team to play without smith, and he admited that he could have done a better job. So, to me, when T O got hurt, it seemed like we were expecting the wrs like crayton, hurd, austin, whom if you all remembered, jumped offsides etc, in the carolina game and the loss to the Commanders. Now whose fault that was, whether the head coach or offensive coordinator, i doint know but to me, it needs to be pointed out.

5. Fatigue, back to a player with jimmy johnsons first year as head coach, there was a player that couldnt do the run on practice field, and he asked the player how come, he wasnt in shape etc. the player said he had ashama, well johnson sent him packing later, but main thing i remember he said, FATIGUE WILL MAKE A COWARD OF YOU LATE IN THE GAME, TO ME, IT SEEMED LIKE THE OFFENSIVE LINE WAS TIRED IN THE 4TH QUARTER AGAINST THE GIANTS, ETC, MAYBE MORE, WHEREAS THE DEFENNSIVE LINE PLAYED ALOT BETTER. THAT NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT.

6.PLAYMAKERS, AS JERRY JONES SAID, THIS TEAM NEEDS PLAYMAKERS. Aikman said when the team traded for charles haley, this team then got his attitude, etc, of a swagger, and saw what it took to be a champion. I think a couple of butt kicking team leaders and champioins is needed on this team.

7. Cutting players, when need be and making example out of stars. Granted, a head coach cant do what jimmy johnson could do when he cut players right and left, but you can still cut players. If they dont do their job, just like on a regular job, then they get fired or laid off. Just like Henry just got cut from the bengals, you can release or cut players, we want players that want to play with heart and win, this isnt a team that should worry about the players union, if you dont do your job, DALLAS WILL CUT YOU OR RELEASE YOU, PERIOD!!!!!!!!! I REMEMBER THE GIANTS RELEASED OR CUT 2-3 PLAYERS LAST YEAR DURING THE YEAR. THEY EVEN PICKED UP A FULLBACK FROM THE RAMS.

8. Coach has to have a fear level in the players he is in charge, and when he sees players like michael irvin miss a team flight, he left him at the airport, and another player on a big game, he left him at the airport, best i remember it was aikman. And what the head coach says, goes, if he is chewing players out for lossing, and they know they didnt play like they should have for heading into the playoffs, then someone cant come along and tell them, its ok. I am beginning to wonder if sometimes, in past, coach would get onto a player or the team, and jerry jones would come along, pat the player on the back and say its allright, dont worrry about it. Players must be very uncomfortable losing, just like after the giant game in the playoffs, Witten our super TE cried like a baby i heard, what other players on our team had that hurt, and what other players didnt care, thats what is needed to be found out and fixed.

9. Finally, the head coach cant say, well we were 13-3 and we did get to the playoffs, seems like to me, he wasnt angry and ticked off when the cowboys lost, that he was using the 13-3 as an excuse. I dont know how you can light a fire underneath his butt, to hate to lose and pass it onto the players, but that attitude needs to change, in december, you have to get on a roll and keep your momentum up, and work out in pads, keep your mental edge and physical edge working. IF YOU DONT WORK THE PLAYERS IN DECMBER IN PADS, ETC, THEN THEY WILL PLAY SLOOPY IN DECEMBER AND GOING INTO THE PLAYOFFS. HOW YOU FIX THAT IM NOT SURE, BUT THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. I talked to a friend of mine that is in media, covering the cowboys and he said, when the media approached wade phillips about losing in december etc, he was very defensive and you couldnt get your point across, that DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, IF JERRY JONES HAS TO KICK HIS BUTT, OR WHATEVER OR US FANS HAVE TO GET ONTO THE COWBOYS ALONG WITH THE MEDIA TO SHOW HIM YOU CANT BE JUST CONTENT WINNING YOUR DIVISION, AND GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS, YOUR ATTITUDE AND DESIRE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

 

[Boysboy]

To be honest-I don't think even Jimmy Johnson can do much with this current group of players we have.

Back in 92-93, JJ had THE players that were firey leaders to HELP run the team. Hate to say it, but not so much this past season. The fact Bill "busting balls" Parcells couldn't do much with this group said ALOT.

BTW-Wade was successful in Buffalo, but just had alot of DUMB luck in the playoffs.

 

[nalam]

To be honest-I don't think even Jimmy Johnson can do much with this current group of players we have.

Back in 92-93, JJ had THE players that were firey leaders to HELP run the team. Hate to say it, but not so much this past season. The fact Bill "busting balls" Parcells couldn't do much with this group said ALOT.

BTW-Wade was successful in Buffalo, but just had alot of DUMB luck in the playoffs.

You can say once - Dumb Luck , Twice - Give the benefit of Doubt , but thrice - He%% No ! That is where we are , Wade knows that this is his last chance , If we have another swift play off exit he is gone.

Giants wanted it more than we did , it was evident in the way they appraoched the 2nd half and also in SB. Our offense was almost imposing their will in the 1st half and got lazy ,tired , whatever...

 

[Boysboy]

You can say once - Dumb Luck , Twice - Give the benefit of Doubt , but thrice - He%% No ! That is where we are , Wade knows that this is his last chance , If we have another swift play off exit he is gone.

Giants wanted it more than we did , it was evident in the way they appraoched the 2nd half and also in SB. Our offense was almost imposing their will in the 1st half and got lazy ,tired , whatever...

Yeah-I was probably reaching with that "Dumb Luck" comment. However-it seems like it doesn't matter who we put in as coach, we just don't seem to have the proper personnel to begin with.(i.e. Look at Norv Turner in San Diego-for a coach that's known to be a big-time choker, he ends the season with an 8 game win stread before losing in the AFCCG)

Anyhow-there just seems to be at least a million unanswered questions here. Both Brian Westbrook and Amani Toomer(among others that played us down the stretch) said how we disrespected their respective teams. That also seemed to be the case when Parcells was here(in that Dec meeting against the Saints at home, we played like we showed no respect for them as well).

Again-is it the personnel? The coach just can't do it all by himself. I mean, really-if the Triplets were here, and we had those "rough" periods against the Lions, Philly, and Giants in those latter games, they would have done everything to fire up the team(and we probably would have played alot better).

BTW-does anyone else find it funny now how we used to criticize Parcells for acting like Jimmy when we play poorly?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

I was watching the 92-93 america classics on nfl network with jimmy johnson as our head coach, why we won, and why we have been losing since;

First, as you all know, there were players on the team that wanted to just accept a check on tuesday with the old landry era. Dont get me wrong, i loved Tom Landry and the Cowboys, but at that age its hard to really coach a team, put all of the energy, etc to win and keep winning. Anyway, I am sure all of you agree with me, that Michael Irvin was a player that wanted to win, and hated to lose, he said on the 92 preview of cowboys era, that players told him when he was crying after a loss in 1988 etc, dont worry about it, youll get a check on tuesday. Irvin said that when Jimmy Johnson was hired as head coach and talked to him on the phone, he told Johnson this player needed to go, and that one, etc. He just wants to accept a check. I think to a large degree when Parcells came aboard, he purged some of that atmosphere, but again, when playoffs arrived, and parcells did get the team to the playoffs, they were flat, i am sure you all agree with me, however, i am being to wonder if there are just a few players that have that thinking still, its ok just to get to the playoffs, no big deal.

I watched the tapes, etc, and i got out of the video of 92 and 93 these facts and conclussions.

1. Attitude, when the players lost with jimmy johnson, he made the players feel like they lost by 40 points, that if the players didnt hate losing as much as he did, then he made them rue the day. THATS ONE THING AND THE FOREMOST ONE I SAW FIRST.

2. Superstar players, like emmitt smith said, sure jimmy johnson got onto him, but he told him you know why i did that, because if players see that my superstar players, and ones that i like cant get away with things, then i am in charge and they know it. Its like i remember what Nate Newton said, once, even in 1992 and he was a pro bowl player, he was scared that jimmy johnson would cut him at any time, so he busted his butt, then saw if he worked at studying tape, film, worked hard,, then he could be a good player and he was.

3. The players believed in Jimmy Johnson when he said, WE WILL TO IT PERIOD!!!!!! LIke in the super bowl second one against buffalo, at halftime he made adjustments, and told the players we are going to go out there, impose our will on them, and they did. And Emmitt Smith said, sure give me the ball, and he ran over the bills in the second half. With that, i am sure all of you guys saw Romo several times in the second half against the giants in the playoff loss, come on guys, lets go, but the offensive line, just timidly walked up to the offensive line of scrimmage. Again, I heard Nate Newton said, what he saw with the offensive line, they didnt do their cardivucular work in the bye week, and if you remember, romo said, we held back on some things against the Commanders. You cant do that and succeed, you have to go all out.

4. Repition of 2nd-3rd string players!!! Which in that loss to the Commanders, almost loss to the panthers, where T O got hurt, and flat playing against the eagles in dallas, it seemed that the 2nd string players didnt know where to go like on pass plays. So, with that, i bring up what jimmy johnson said in the first 0-2 losses starting out in 1993, emmitt smith hadnt signed a new contract holdout, and jimmy johnson didnt really prepare the team to play without smith, and he admited that he could have done a better job. So, to me, when T O got hurt, it seemed like we were expecting the wrs like crayton, hurd, austin, whom if you all remembered, jumped offsides etc, in the carolina game and the loss to the Commanders. Now whose fault that was, whether the head coach or offensive coordinator, i doint know but to me, it needs to be pointed out.

5. Fatigue, back to a player with jimmy johnsons first year as head coach, there was a player that couldnt do the run on practice field, and he asked the player how come, he wasnt in shape etc. the player said he had ashama, well johnson sent him packing later, but main thing i remember he said, FATIGUE WILL MAKE A COWARD OF YOU LATE IN THE GAME, TO ME, IT SEEMED LIKE THE OFFENSIVE LINE WAS TIRED IN THE 4TH QUARTER AGAINST THE GIANTS, ETC, MAYBE MORE, WHEREAS THE DEFENNSIVE LINE PLAYED ALOT BETTER. THAT NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT.

6.PLAYMAKERS, AS JERRY JONES SAID, THIS TEAM NEEDS PLAYMAKERS. Aikman said when the team traded for charles haley, this team then got his attitude, etc, of a swagger, and saw what it took to be a champion. I think a couple of butt kicking team leaders and champioins is needed on this team.

7. Cutting players, when need be and making example out of stars. Granted, a head coach cant do what jimmy johnson could do when he cut players right and left, but you can still cut players. If they dont do their job, just like on a regular job, then they get fired or laid off. Just like Henry just got cut from the bengals, you can release or cut players, we want players that want to play with heart and win, this isnt a team that should worry about the players union, if you dont do your job, DALLAS WILL CUT YOU OR RELEASE YOU, PERIOD!!!!!!!!! I REMEMBER THE GIANTS RELEASED OR CUT 2-3 PLAYERS LAST YEAR DURING THE YEAR. THEY EVEN PICKED UP A FULLBACK FROM THE RAMS.

8. Coach has to have a fear level in the players he is in charge, and when he sees players like michael irvin miss a team flight, he left him at the airport, and another player on a big game, he left him at the airport, best i remember it was aikman. And what the head coach says, goes, if he is chewing players out for lossing, and they know they didnt play like they should have for heading into the playoffs, then someone cant come along and tell them, its ok. I am beginning to wonder if sometimes, in past, coach would get onto a player or the team, and jerry jones would come along, pat the player on the back and say its allright, dont worrry about it. Players must be very uncomfortable losing, just like after the giant game in the playoffs, Witten our super TE cried like a baby i heard, what other players on our team had that hurt, and what other players didnt care, thats what is needed to be found out and fixed.

9. Finally, the head coach cant say, well we were 13-3 and we did get to the playoffs, seems like to me, he wasnt angry and ticked off when the cowboys lost, that he was using the 13-3 as an excuse. I dont know how you can light a fire underneath his butt, to hate to lose and pass it onto the players, but that attitude needs to change, in december, you have to get on a roll and keep your momentum up, and work out in pads, keep your mental edge and physical edge working. IF YOU DONT WORK THE PLAYERS IN DECMBER IN PADS, ETC, THEN THEY WILL PLAY SLOOPY IN DECEMBER AND GOING INTO THE PLAYOFFS. HOW YOU FIX THAT IM NOT SURE, BUT THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. I talked to a friend of mine that is in media, covering the cowboys and he said, when the media approached wade phillips about losing in december etc, he was very defensive and you couldnt get your point across, that DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, IF JERRY JONES HAS TO KICK HIS BUTT, OR WHATEVER OR US FANS HAVE TO GET ONTO THE COWBOYS ALONG WITH THE MEDIA TO SHOW HIM YOU CANT BE JUST CONTENT WINNING YOUR DIVISION, AND GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS, YOUR ATTITUDE AND DESIRE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

This might be the greatest post I've ever read on this board as far as a examination of what's wrong with the Cowboys. I have always felt (since Jimmy's departure) that these intangible type things have haunted this team but I haven't had the words to explain it as well as you. Jimmy's attitude about winning and losing was really the true key in the Cowboys great success in the 90s, and the ability to get leaders who share that same passion he had about winning (Aikman, Irvin ect.). I would put that above his keen eye for talent, which was great and vital for that success as well but it's that attitude and mindset about winning and disipline that really gave them the edge IMO. Really nothing more I can add to what you've said, you mapped it out perfectly.

 

[jjktkk]

Jimmy Johnson was a very good coach, but youre not giving any credit to the players on that team. Aikman, Irvin, Smith, etc.... Barry Switzer of all people won a super bowl with that team. Don't you think Phillips couldn't win a super bowl or two with the 92-93 Cowboys? Look what happened to Jimmy Johnson after he left the Cowboys. He did just okay with the Dolphins. IMO you can't compare the current Cowboys to the the Cowboys of 92-93. The 92-93 Cowboys will go down in history as one of the greatest teams of all time in the NFL. Johnson gets alot of credit, but the players were the main reason they were so great.

 

[Boysboy]

Jimmy Johnson was a very good coach, but youre not giving any credit to the players on that team. Aikman, Irvin, Smith, etc.... Barry Switzer of all people won a super bowl with that team. Don't you think Phillips couldn't win a super bowl or two with the 92-93 Cowboys? Look what happened to Jimmy Johnson after he left the Cowboys. He did just okay with the Dolphins. IMO you can't compare the current Cowboys to the the Cowboys of 92-93. The 92-93 Cowboys will go down in history as one of the greatest teams of all time in the NFL. Johnson gets alot of credit, but the players were the main reason they were so great.

That's what alot of us have been trying to say-look at Norv Turner with the Chargers. For a coach that was notorious for being a coach-artist and a poor motivator throughout his entire career, he finished with an 8 game win streak before losing to the Pats in the AFCCG(doing it without LT and a gimpy-knee Rivers). If, let's say, they promoted Wade instead, the Chargers would have achieved the same result.

Bottom line-you don't exactly need Fantasy Football players, but you need PLAYERS nonetheless(something Norv really never had throughout his HC career).

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I was watching the 92-93 america classics on nfl network with jimmy johnson as our head coach...

Wade is the anti-Jimma!

 

[CalCBFan]

I don't think Jimmy had to deal w/ a salary cap, which makes possible "cutting players right and left".

And let's not forget the mega trade w/ the Vikes and all those 1st and 2nd rnd picks that came w/ it. He had hoped to do the same thing in Miami by trading Marino, but found that in Miami, Marino ruled. Hence, when drafting as the rest of the league has to do, he wasn't very successful. How many playmakers could we snag this year if we had #22 and #28 and both of Atlanta's higher 2nd round picks to go w/ our own 2nd rounder??

Don't get me wrong; I think coaching is the most important aspect of the game. Players make plays, but a good coach can teach them to do that. How else can Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren and others consistently pull guys out of the stands and turn them into players overnight? Players will "buy into" the system of a good coach and play harder as witnessed by our own team this year.

And it doesn't help that our owner/GM is also a FAN. Wishing will not make 2 plus 2 add up to 3 or 5 or any number other than 4. And by his own admission, Jerry has said he is like this: A dreamer. This is why he's reached for guys in the draft, although I do think he's getting better at this. And even though I can't rationally explain it, I think that the "post-Thanksgiving collapse" is a function of his tenure w/ the Cowboys.

Tom Landry for the most part had an excellent post-Thanksgiving record. Many of us forget that some of the "playmakers" were already here when Jimmy got here. Maybe those "leftovers" taught Jimmy's kids how to finish the season.

I think this year we got too much success too soon. Once we wrapped up homefield, everybody seemed to think the next stop was the SB. It wasn't. Once you turn off the intensity it's hard to get it back, and you need to build momentum going into the POs. Hopefully this team knows better now...

 

[rojan]

Why does Roy Williams come to mind. I think cutting him would send a good message!!

 

[tunahelper]

Jimmy seems to have been a Parcells disciplinarian and the players coach like Wade all in one.

Players wanted to play for him and he was smart enough to treat the stars differently, while preception was he is a hard liner?

Another words a true B.S. artist....

Thank God we had him!

 

[dooomsday]

Thanks CBJ.

Look at this teams leaders (prior to MB/Ware stepping up).

Ellis? Flo? Roy?

Now compare that to Irvin, Troy and Emmitt, along with Woody. etc.

A bit of a difference huh?

None of our guys talk about winning other than Average Pat.

We should have purged the old losers from the Campo years. I understand they are good, but it takes more than talent to win SBs.

Of course they were also hugely talented in 92- 93 team but no more talented that SF, Philly, Buf, etc. But they did have stronger leaders and more heart.

Currently, aside from maybe NE, we are the most talented team in the league and it didnt get us very far.... 5th-6th. place.

 

[Biggems]

No cap back then, you could cut players at will and not really hurt your team. In today's NFL if a player gets cut, the team gets hit with a cap burden....if that player is making a lot of money, the cap hit can be quite large and really strangle the team financially for a year or two.

But we do need to add some meanness to the defense. I would love someone on this defense to have a Ray Lewis attitude and swagger.....or a Rodney Harrison attitude and swagger. The defense needs to have the belief that they will take any offensive player, rip of their heads, poop down their necks, put the head back on, and then proceed to stomp the poop out of them for the rest of the game. We just don't have that player right now.

 

[Kilyin]

So you watched the 975th rerun of that piece on NFL Network and decided to recap it for those of us who've only seen it 974 times? Excellent.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Interesting topic, one point I do agree on is Wade's layback attitude might not be the right attitude after how the season ended. I would like to hear more than we went 13-3, cause the 4th loss was by far the biggest. I sincerely hope it is a front for the media, cause we do have issues that need to be solved, and they aren't answered just cause we went 13-3 last year.

I just hope when Garrett becomes head coach, he won't adopt the attitude of Wade as his own. Wade almost seems like the old grandparent that you wanted to spend time with cause he would give you money and play with you. Of course, the parent of the kid has to be the "mean" one and get on or be firm with the kid. If this was a veteran team, the old grandparent would be great, but this team is more in the parental stage with all its youth.

 

[mmillman]

Talent wins in the NFL. That team had it and this team is oh so close. Jimmy was great at collecting talent. Parcells was good at collecting talent. Jones has not proven to me that he can do it.

 

[Juke99]

Good post.

I have never believed it's only one factor that causes a team to win...(or lose).

It also bugs me to read "What did Johnson do with Miami?" as a knock on his efforts with Dallas.

It was a blending of talents and chemistry that caused the Cowboys to win in 92 and 93.

The team was an extension of Johnson's way of thinking...so much so, they won without him in 95.

Parcells had that kinda magic with the early Giants. He never had it again. That he never won a championship after those teams doesn't diminish what he did back then.

The blend between Parcells and Simms/Taylor/Marshall/Burt/Elliot etc was perfect.

Same with Johnson and the 92/93 Cowboys.

 

[scottsp]

Good post.

I have never believed it's only one factor that causes a team to win...(or lose).

It also bugs me to read "What did Johnson do with Miami?" as a knock on his efforts with Dallas.

It was a blending of talents and chemistry that caused the Cowboys to win in 92 and 93.

The team was an extension of Johnson's way of thinking...so much so, they won without him in 95.

Parcells had that kinda magic with the early Giants. He never had it again. That he never won a championship after those teams doesn't diminish what he did back then.

The blend between Parcells and Simms/Taylor/Marshall/Burt/Elliot etc was perfect.

Same with Johnson and the 92/93 Cowboys.

Aye. For as long as it could last, the perfect marriage between front office, coaches, and personnel.

It was Camelot.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think jimmy johnson was the last to be able to moitvate players consistently with that method.

money has changed the game and even with nonguaranteed contracts players arent motivated as much by yelling at them and insinuating they are mentally defective.

its that type of motivation that goes on in the military and since the ending of compulsory service in the mid seventies its fallen out of disuse. Let be quite frank, why put up with tat crap if you dont have to.

Coughlin turns nice and he wins a superbowl. Dungy and Smith win with the same techniques and you can look all the way back to vermeil and see this success being nice gets. wade is of this same mold.

No we didnt lose down the stretch because Wade didnt scare the rosters enough. we lost because Romo's thumb was dinged, TO was hurt, our offensive line needs to be better coached and coordinated in the rungame, jacques reeves, kevin burnett and others cannot cover to save their lives and the fact that the NY Giants are a good football team.

Buck up campers, we still allmost won despite all that.

 

[Juke99]

Aye. For as long as it could last, the perfect marriage between front office, coaches, and personnel.

It was Camelot.

Yep. And it happens alot...and the magic is never recreated elsewhere. Happened with Lombardi when he want to the Commanders after the Packers.

Happens all the time. That's why it drives me just a bit bonkers when someone says "Yeah but what happened when he went to..." fill in the name of the team.

One has nothing to do with the other.