My Re-Review of the running game

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In my initial review I was primary focused on the blocking and didn't ready consider the down/distance. The handy yellow line does not show up in the All-22 view.


I went back and focused specifically on the RBs.

McFadden
McFadden was better than I originally thought. He was actually very good.
Of 7 touches he had 3 first downs, a 19 yard reception, an 8 yard run, and 1 run with no chance.

I also saw 2 quality pass blocks by McFadden.

2nd Quarter
10:53 8 yards
10:07 1st down
8:34 1st down
7.54 catch 19 yards, 1st down
7:17 3 yards
4:53 1 yard
3rd Quarter
9:05 -2 yards, no chance, not his fault

At 7:17 I think he ran it as coached and got what was available; however, I think he could have taken it to the sideline and had a bigger gain. The coaches in this scheme really prefer that the RB stay fairly tight to the OT on outside runs and seem to discourage taking it far to the outside. I think they might want to reconsider that when McFadden is the RB because he can turn the corner on the plays that Murray couldn't because of his speed. I wouldn't want to see Randle do it, but I think it's a good option with McFadden.

At 4:53 he had the one play that I really had a problem with. I don't know if he could have gotten much more out of it, but he can't be indecisive in this scheme. He needs to either cut it up inside or kick in the jets and take it far outside. Witten lost his block which killed the design of this play, but McFadden still should have been more decisive, IMO. I find it odd that Beasley was out in front blocking on this play. This happened several times in the game with either Beasley or Lucky on the front side of a running play.

The play at 9:05 had no chance. The slot CB either anticipated the play or was blitzing. I originally blamed Lucky for not blocking him, but the CB had already jump towards the line and away from Lucky before the snap and making it impossible to block him.

I'll add a post for Randle's review later.
 

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Thanks.

Good job.

Yeah that 1 yard play was tough to watch.

It didn't look like he had any options/decision to make. I'm not sure.

I defer to you.
 

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Good post x.
The play at 9:05 had no chance. The slot CB either anticipated the play or was blitzing. I originally blamed Lucky for not blocking him, but the CB had already jump towards the line and away from Lucky before the snap and making it impossible to block him.
I saw that on the replay and had to explain to BDC Jr. why he his complaints about DMC were unfounded. JMO but the CB was blitzing.
 

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Good post x.

I saw that on the replay and had to explain to BDC Jr. why he his complaints about DMC were unfounded. JMO but the CB was blitzing.

I have no idea how people could be complaining about McFadden's performance. I don't know how he will play in the future, but he was good in this game in very limited touches.
 

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I have no idea how people could be complaining about McFadden's performance. I don't know how he will play in the future, but he was good in this game in very limited touches.

You left out the play where he hesitated and missed the hole to his left and ended up tripping over Frederick.

He was ok but you can see he has issues so far reading blocks.
 

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I think it's quite possible that McFadden may see considerably more action vs. Philly than he has thus far.
 

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DMC is the only back that has ever played to not get yards on some carries...This was his first game in this system..give the guy a chance to get it down..Randle has had 2 years and still looks like jag....DMC is healthy so let's drop that excuse..
 

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I thought all three backs played well, but none played great.

I agree, but you could probably say that about the OL as well. I don't think they were the well oiled machine we will see once they have some more work together.
 

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I'd be more worried about all the dropped passes.....We had our bad game last week and won...
 

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You left out the play where he hesitated and missed the hole to his left and ended up tripping over Frederick.

He was ok but you can see he has issues so far reading blocks.

I listed 6 runs and 1 pass. His stats show 6 runs.

You might be referring to one of the plays that was a first down.
 

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In my initial review I was primary focused on the blocking and didn't ready consider the down/distance. The handy yellow line does not show up in the All-22 view.


I went back and focused specifically on the RBs.

McFadden
McFadden was better than I originally thought. He was actually very good.
Of 7 touches he had 3 first downs, a 19 yard reception, an 8 yard run, and 1 run with no chance.

I also saw 2 quality pass blocks by McFadden.

2nd Quarter
10:53 8 yards
10:07 1st down
8:34 1st down
7.54 catch 19 yards, 1st down
7:17 3 yards
4:53 1 yard
3rd Quarter
9:05 -2 yards, no chance, not his fault

At 7:17 I think he ran it as coached and got what was available; however, I think he could have taken it to the sideline and had a bigger gain. The coaches in this scheme really prefer that the RB stay fairly tight to the OT on outside runs and seem to discourage taking it far to the outside. I think they might want to reconsider that when McFadden is the RB because he can turn the corner on the plays that Murray couldn't because of his speed. I wouldn't want to see Randle do it, but I think it's a good option with McFadden.

At 4:53 he had the one play that I really had a problem with. I don't know if he could have gotten much more out of it, but he can't be indecisive in this scheme. He needs to either cut it up inside or kick in the jets and take it far outside. Witten lost his block which killed the design of this play, but McFadden still should have been more decisive, IMO. I find it odd that Beasley was out in front blocking on this play. This happened several times in the game with either Beasley or Lucky on the front side of a running play.

The play at 9:05 had no chance. The slot CB either anticipated the play or was blitzing. I originally blamed Lucky for not blocking him, but the CB had already jump towards the line and away from Lucky before the snap and making it impossible to block him.

I'll add a post for Randle's review later.

Pretty much what I saw....DMC needs about 5-8 more carries this week IMHO. Randle? Just not sold yet. Nice change of pace guy but too small
 

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Pretty much what I saw....DMC needs about 5-8 more carries this week IMHO. Randle? Just not sold yet. Nice change of pace guy but too small

Randle is 6'0"' 209

Demario Murray is 6'0", 214

Did you think Murray was too small last season?
 

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Randle is 6'0"' 209

Demario Murray is 6'0", 214

Did you think Murray was too small last season?

It's odd, they are listed at nearly the same size, but Randle appears to be much leaner. He just looks more fragile than Murray.
 

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DMC is the only back that has ever played to not get yards on some carries...This was his first game in this system..give the guy a chance to get it down..Randle has had 2 years and still looks like jag....DMC is healthy so let's drop that excuse..

I wasn't impressed with Randle. He seemed lethargic and slow to the hole. Maybe Im too critical. But those runs by Randle for 3 yards would have easily been an 7-8 yard gain by Murray.

I do like what I saw from MacFadden. Yes he missed a few holes here and there. But the dynamic of our run game changed and the Giants had to compensate for his speed. Kudos to the OP for pointing out that MacFadden should have turned on the jets in the corner. He has the speed to do it.

Eagles like to stack the middle and occasionally go with an all out blitz. If we use MacFadden's speed on the edge to run the ball it might give the Eagles defense problems. Something to think about.
 

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Randle is # 14
jamal had in 2nd game:
J. Charles 21- 125 -6-1 which gives him 307


RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
1Jamaal Charles, RB-37-182-4.9-341191.017
2Carlos Hyde, RB261686.51802168.0011
3Matt Forte, RB241415.92331141.007
4DeAngelo Williams, RB211276.02810127.006
5Alfred Morris, RB251214.81400121.005
6Chris Ivory, RB20914.6190291.005
7Eddie Lacy, RB19854.5160185.005
8Tevin Coleman, RB20804.0201080.002
9Ronnie Hillman, RB21753.6160037.504
10Bishop Sankey, RB12746.2160174.015
RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
11Marshawn Lynch, RB18734.1241073.006
12Dion Lewis, RB15694.6130069.002
Andre Ellington, RB12695.8180169.014

14Joseph Randle, RB....16-65-4.1-150065.012
15Giovani Bernard, RB8637.9281063.003
Jeremy Hill, RB19633.3110263.004
17Bilal Powell, RB12625.2211062.004
18Jonathan Stewart, RB18563.1221056.002
C.J. Anderson, RB24562.3140028.003
20Karlos Williams, RB6559.2261155.001
RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
21Lamar Miller, RB13534.1170053.004
22Rashad Jennings, RB13524.0271152.003
Doug Martin, RB11524.7140052.002
24Melvin Gordon, RB14513.6140051.013
T.J. Yeldon, RB12514.3140051.003
26Darren Sproles, RB55010.0271050.003



 
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Randle is # 14
jamal had in 2nd game:
J. Charles 21- 125 -6-1 which gives him 307

RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
1Jamaal Charles, RB-37-182-4.9-341191.017
2Carlos Hyde, RB261686.51802168.0011
3Matt Forte, RB241415.92331141.007
4DeAngelo Williams, RB211276.02810127.006
5Alfred Morris, RB251214.81400121.005
6Chris Ivory, RB20914.6190291.005
7Eddie Lacy, RB19854.5160185.005
8Tevin Coleman, RB20804.0201080.002
9Ronnie Hillman, RB21753.6160037.504
10Bishop Sankey, RB12746.2160174.015
RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
11Marshawn Lynch, RB18734.1241073.006
12Dion Lewis, RB15694.6130069.002
Andre Ellington, RB12695.8180169.014

14Joseph Randle, RB....16-65-4.1-150065.012
15Giovani Bernard, RB8637.9281063.003
Jeremy Hill, RB19633.3110263.004
17Bilal Powell, RB12625.2211062.004
18Jonathan Stewart, RB18563.1221056.002
C.J. Anderson, RB24562.3140028.003
20Karlos Williams, RB6559.2261155.001
RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
21Lamar Miller, RB13534.1170053.004
22Rashad Jennings, RB13524.0271152.003
Doug Martin, RB11524.7140052.002
24Melvin Gordon, RB14513.6140051.013
T.J. Yeldon, RB12514.3140051.003
26Darren Sproles, RB55010.0271050.003


What is this?
 

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Thank XWalker
To me (my eye test) the run game was not that "effective" against an average to below average front 7
Philly has a great front 7 IMO so I think that will be a huge test. If we can run effectively against Philly (I mean pick up third and short and gain yards in red zone and goal line) then we will have shown that we are back to where we were last year.
 
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