My shot at the 53 man roster

[Stautner]

One less ILB who actually fits the system the Phillips uses....

The thing you refuse to get is that it could also free up a roster spot for one MORE player that Phillips can use.

That's the flexibility I am talking about.

And besides, like Alexander said, if it sounds better to you we could always list him as a FB with ILB duties only being used in case of emergency.

He may be a player, but his physical abilities are extremely limited. That's all I'm saying. You can only do so much with so little.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.93
3-Cone Drill: 7.48

He went undrafted for a reason. And those eye-popping numbers were a big contributor.

That is slow, and like I said, Hoyte is far from a certainty to make the team. I just believe that his flexibilty to hold down back up spots at two positions gives him a shot to make the team because it could free up a roster spot for another player that the team likes that they may otherwise have to cut.

 

[AbeBeta]

The thing you refuse to get is that it could also free up a roster spot for one MORE player that Phillips can use.

That's the flexibility I am talking about.

I see. We need to give Hoyte a spot so that we can get another spot for a player we can use. Even though the proposed 2nd position for him is one where he would be terrible b/c of his lack of speed.

I see. He can fill a position badly so that we can get someone else.

Hey, maybe having Hoyte will allow us that extra roster spot we could use for an actual ILB that fit the system!

 

[theogt]

Hey, maybe having Hoyte will allow us that extra roster spot we could use for an actual ILB that fit the system!

LOL!

I know, laughing at my own jokes isn't cool.

 

[Stautner]

I see. We need to give Hoyte a spot so that we can get another spot for a player we can use. Even though the proposed 2nd position for him is one where he would be terrible b/c of his lack of speed.

I see. He can fill a position badly so that we can get someone else.

Hey, maybe having Hoyte will allow us that extra roster spot we could use for an actual ILB that fit the system!

Or perhaps for one of those extra WR's that seem to have talent, or perhaps to make room for a FA NT since Stanley is questionable, or perhaps to keep both a veteran backup CB AND one of the youngsters that seems to have talent, or perhaps to keep an extra TE/H-Back, or perhaps ...........

Like I said - several times - Hoyte is not a certainty, nor do I think he should be. But it's kind of nuts to think he isn't a consideration.

LOL!

I know, laughing at my own jokes isn't cool.

I thought this was abersonc's joke ........... he is the one that wrote it .......... right?

 

[Alexander]

One less ILB who actually fits the system the Phillips uses....

Nice job of pigeonholing.

Phillips doesn't do this and is flexible with his talent. We aren't we armchair GMs the same? I still hear we need a "big NT" like Jamal Williams.

Besides, what options do you see that "fit" his system as an ILB? Dedrick Harrington? Blair Phillips?

Remember we are talking third or fourth option inside.

 

[Vintage]

27M is way too much money for someone who provides nothing but shooting.

 

[theogt]

Nice job of pigeonholing.

Phillips doesn't do this and is flexible with his talent. We aren't we armchair GMs the same? I still hear we need a "big NT" like Jamal Williams.

Besides, what options do you see that "fit" his system as an ILB? Dedrick Harrington? Blair Phillips?

Remember we are talking third or fourth option inside.

We can call a spade a spade, can't we?

Wade truly does like his linebackers smaller and faster than Parcells.

 

[YosemiteSam]

We can call a spade a spade, can't we?

Yes, but it's nice to have the Ace of Spades. Of course I have no idea what you guys are discussing. :shoot5:

 

[Vintage]

QB- Romo, Johnson, Baker
RB- Jones, Barber, Thompson
FB- Anderson
WR- Owens, Glenn, Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanback
OL- Adams, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Colombo, Free, Marten, McQuistan, Proctor
TE- Witten, Fasano, A.Scrub

25

DL- Can't[y], Spears, Ferguson, Ratliff, Hatcher, Bowen, Stanley
LB- Ware, Ayodele, James, Ellis, Spencer, Burnett, Carpenter, Glymph
CB- Newman, Henry, Glenn, Reeves, Ball, Brown
S- Hamlin, Williams, PWat, Keith Davis

25

LS-Ladouceur
P- McBriar
K- Grammatica

(I could see someone like CB Courtney Brown not making the roster for potentially Folk for kickoffs....or another DL.)

 

[Stautner]

Nice job of pigeonholing.

Phillips doesn't do this and is flexible with his talent. We aren't we armchair GMs the same? I still hear we need a "big NT" like Jamal Williams.

Besides, what options do you see that "fit" his system as an ILB? Dedrick Harrington? Blair Phillips?

Remember we are talking third or fourth option inside.

Good points.

And even so, is the standard that EVERY player on the roster has to "fit the system"? Surely no one believes that it is possible to pick a "system" and accumualate 53 players that absolutely "fit the system" to a T.

The fact is that EVERY year there are tough roster spot decisions that have to be made, and there are players that the team has to cut that they would like to keep. That's where other factors become important - like flexibility - like ability to play multiple positions - like Special Teams ability ......... those things weigh heavily in determining the last 4-5 roster spots.

 

[Vintage]

Good points.

And even so, is the standard that EVERY player on the roster has to "fit the system"? Surely no one believes that it is possible to pick a "system" and accumualate 53 players that absolutely "fit the system" to a T.

The fact is that EVERY year there are tough roster spot decisions that have to be made, and there are players that the team has to cut that they would like to keep. That's where other factors become important - like flexibility - like ability to play multiple positions - like Special Teams ability ......... those things weigh heavily in determining the last 4-5 roster spots.

Agreed. Someone like Hoyte could come in and get a roster spot because of his ability to play ILB and FB....its not like we would be relying upon Hoyte anyway to play ILB (and if we do, maybe in goal line situations).

 

[AbeBeta]

Nice job of pigeonholing.

Phillips doesn't do this and is flexible with his talent. We aren't we armchair GMs the same? I still hear we need a "big NT" like Jamal Williams.

Besides, what options do you see that "fit" his system as an ILB? Dedrick Harrington? Blair Phillips?

Remember we are talking third or fourth option inside.

So the Zampese/Turner/now Garrett offense's use of players from various positions will impact what we keep on O. But the Phillips defensive structure won't impact what we do on D?

Add old man Godfrey to the list.

 

[Vintage]

So the Zampese/Turner/now Garrett offense's use of players from various positions will impact what we keep on O. But the Phillips defensive structure won't impact what we do on D?

Add old man Godfrey to the list.

Why would we go after Godfrey?

Wade has given no indications that we are looking for any more help at LBer.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why would we go after Godfrey?

Wade has given no indications that we are looking for any more help at LBer.

So then why is Hoyte's ability to play ILB such a bonus?

 

[Stautner]

So the Zampese/Turner/now Garrett offense's use of players from various positions will impact what we keep on O. But the Phillips defensive structure won't impact what we do on D?

Add old man Godfrey to the list.

Sure it does, but different factors creep into the decision making process when talking about the bottom roster spots.

There are benefits to finding a LB that may be a better fit than Hoyte, but considering that whoever fills that last LB spot will likely never see the field, there are benefits to having a player who can also serve as the backup FB so that we don't have to cut someone at another position we might want to keep.

It's the same kind of fine line coaches always have to walk when deciding on a final roster.

 

[YosemiteSam]

So then why is Hoyte's ability to play ILB such a bonus?

Anytime you have a player that can play multiple positions it's a bonus. Whether you need it or not. If you are ever in a squeeze, it gives you more options.

 

[Vintage]

So then why is Hoyte's ability to play ILB such a bonus?

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team_roster.cfm

 

[YosemiteSam]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team_roster.cfm

Wow, we've got Bilbo Baggins? I'm thinking he is going to beat out Miles Austin at WR. Especially since there is no "I" in team, but he has to do whats right for Mr. Baggins.

 

[AbeBeta]

Anytime you have a player that can play multiple positions it's a bonus. Whether you need it or not. If you are ever in a squeeze, it gives you more options.

But again, if he's not in meetings and learning that position then you'd have to be in some dire straits to put the guy in to play there. With Hoyte, we'd have a guy who a) wouldn't know the D and b) doesn't fit the prototype for a guy playing ILB in that D. That seems like a lot to overcome

 

[Stautner]

Anytime you have a player that can play multiple positions it's a bonus. Whether you need it or not. If you are ever in a squeeze, it gives you more options.

But again, if he's not in meetings and learning that position then you'd have to be in some dire straits to put the guy in to play there. With Hoyte, we'd have a guy who a) wouldn't know the D and b) doesn't fit the prototype for a guy playing ILB in that D. That seems like a lot to overcome

I thought Hoyte WAS in the LB meetings ...... I tought he was being worked in at LB again.

Nevertheless, while it is true that it isn't an ideal situation to have a guy being the backup at 2 distinct positions, we may not even HAVE a backup FB otherwise, and one that isn't perfectly prepared is better than none at at all.

And look at your words - we would have to be in some "dire straits" .... well, that's largely the role of 3rd teamers isn't it? That's the role Hoyte was playing as a LB before moving to FB last year.

And that's exactly what I've been saying repeatedly - that we are talking about a guy for emergency use anyway. It's not as if we are likely to have a superstar lurking at our 9th LB spot, and who knows, the saved roster spot may be used on someone who could become a quality player. It certainly could be used on a player the team would like to keep and see how he develops that they may not be able to otherwise.

And, all I'm saying is that it's a viable option to consider - not that it will turn out to be the best option