My thoughts...on DT

[tm1119]

We are fine at 3 tech. T Crawford/Irving/J Crawford is a pretty good trio. We need a 1 tech obviously, but I'll be really surprised if it's with our 1st or 2nd. Thankfully this is a deep DT class and we can still get a guy to do the 1 tech job well in the middle rounds.

And counting on Gregory to be a starter at DE next year is crazy talk. I don't care where he was picked, he won't be ready for that. Hell, there's a decent chance he's never a full time DE.

 

[CCBoy]

Just for starters, just exactly who is afraid of matching up with the Cowboy's top #3 for Dallas. The #3 is supposed to be, in Marinelli's defense, the key to it's success.

Either fix the problem, or continue shuffling new pieces around...as pass rush is the top need of this team right now.

 

[Sydla]

RGIII and you are saying DT...who?

RG3 is a top shelf QB? LOL.

And there are a handful of good DTs out there, especially ones who would fit what we need out of our 1 tech. Ian Williams is one. Malik Jackson is one but likely will be at least tagged by Denver. Akiem Hicks from New England is another guy who might be a good fit at the 1 tech.

The reality is that many top shelf players don't even make it to free agency so the idea that you can get a top shelf free agent QB but not a DT is bizarre.

Note, I am not suggesting you don't draft a DT in this draft. What I am suggesting is that you don't have to throw Crawford into the trash heap yet and then blow your top two picks on DTs. If the team wants to use a high pick on one DT, that's fine. But your plan is overkill.

 

[Sydla]

Just for starters, just exactly who is afraid of matching up with the Cowboy's top #3 for Dallas. The #3 is supposed to be, in Marinelli's defense, the key to it's success.

Either fix the problem, or continue shuffling new pieces around...as pass rush is the top need of this team right now.

The 3 tech is supposed to be a key but in order for that to work, you need competent play from the 1 tech. I suspect if you put a guy like Ian Williams at the 1 tech instead of Hayden and Crawford is healthy given he was playing with a bum shoulder all year, he's going to be that much better. I think the Cowboys can fix the 1 tech either through free agency or the draft. There are some guys who might be available in the 3rd round like an Aldophus Washington from OSU, who would be ideal fits for the 1 tech.

To give up on Crawford at this point would be silly IMO. Just as silly as people (and I am going to guess you were one) who was ready to write Lawrence off when he didn't kill it right from the get go.

 

[Kolemmitt]

We need a new 1-tech. We can all agree. But are we really going to replace a guy that got five sacks playing with one arm? Most players would have simply called it a season but he played injured and now we need to spend a first round pick to replace him? Unbelievable. As some one that a rotator cuff injury, this man is a stud for doing what he did.
You know Dez was pretty average after he came back, so lets spend two first round picks on new receivers!

 

[Kolemmitt]

Just for starters, just exactly who is afraid of matching up with the Cowboy's top #3 for Dallas. The #3 is supposed to be, in Marinelli's defense, the key to it's success.

Either fix the problem, or continue shuffling new pieces around...as pass rush is the top need of this team right now.

We have our three. Do me a favor. Go the gym. Put on 300 lbs on the bench and do it with one arm.
That is what Crawford did all season. Many players would shut it down after that injury but he fought through it and now you think we need to replace him.

 

[hsfolk]

Vernon Butler would be a great 2nd round pick if he makes it that far

 

[CCBoy]

We have our three. Do me a favor. Go the gym. Put on 300 lbs on the bench and do it with one arm.
That is what Crawford did all season. Many players would shut it down after that injury but he fought through it and now you think we need to replace him.

Get realistic in what you insult in another's point. First off, Crawford is a good rotational player. Second, he has not shown that he is the top shelf player that one really wishes for Marinelli's system. The #3 has to be the dominant play maker for his defensive line to be successful. That is NOT what one has here. For a rotation, fine...but not maxed out in the least.

As to ME going to the gym, try moving 500 pounds with BOTH hands...I saw stars the first time I moved the weight. As to injury, I played at the USAFA with a cracked elbow until the end of the season. Then a cast was put on it for six weeks. Some of us, 'fools,' have actually walked and not just talked the walk. My Falcon team, played Tennessee in the Sugar Bowl...and when after my first year there at the Academy, I was no longer pilot qualified because of glasses, I went back to A&I. There, I was part of a team that went undefeated and NAIA champs. From that team, 6 people went to the NFL and five of them were Pro Bowlers during their respective careers. Ernest Price, Levi Johnson, Dwight Harrison, Eldridge Small, David Hill, and Don Hardeman.

As to having three, there are three quarterbacks, three running backs, and three cornerbacks already...they enough also?

 

[LatinMind]

This is what I would love seeing...

trading down in the first and adding the accumulated picks and even pick(s) from the future, to acquire in the first round:

*A'Shawn Robinson#1 DT

*Robert Nkemdiche #3 DT

...then rely upon the already drafted Gregory and Lawrence to be what is expected at DE.

really?

Why not Just say pick sheldon Rankins at 34 or trade up a little back into rd 1. Think he's going to be close to donald in prodection.

 

[CCBoy]

We need a new 1-tech. We can all agree. But are we really going to replace a guy that got five sacks playing with one arm? Most players would have simply called it a season but he played injured and now we need to spend a first round pick to replace him? Unbelievable. As some one that a rotator cuff injury, this man is a stud for doing what he did.
You know Dez was pretty average after he came back, so lets spend two first round picks on new receivers!

He was still injured and these analogies are actually little more than insultive to any realistic analysis.

 

[CCBoy]

really?

Why not Just say pick sheldon Rankins at 34 or trade up a little back into rd 1. Think he's going to be close to donald in prodection.

You like Rankins MORE? I want the most dynamic pair available for the #1 and #3 defensive tackle positions. You saying that a real need that actually would push the final distance to a successful front four isn't worth the price when you have the resources to do just that?

Prove that you have a more dominant alternative and how that can be achieved without settling for a much inferior point to build from!

That level of play when added to Gregory and Lawrence should project strongly into the immediate as well as future of this defensive line. That, or evaluations by the team are little beyond Monopoly money. You supporting that alternative as well?

The MOST important thing to change, is the pass rush. Either that, or a close second, is the secondary. Now, you enjoy adding less than top shelf talents that it hasn't been proven, yet, that this staff can coach up?

The two that I presented are either powerful and aggressive for a #1 DT, or completely explosive and competitive at the #3 DT.

As to Rankins, isn't he a little short and can be engulfed by the larger linemen?

 

[Sydla]

Get realistic in what you insult in another's point. First off, Crawford is a good rotational player. Second, he has not shown that he is the top shelf player that one really wishes for Marinelli's system. The #3 has to be the dominant play maker for his defensive line to be successful. That is NOT what one has here. For a rotation, fine...but not maxed out in the least.

As to ME going to the gym, try moving 500 pounds with BOTH hands...I saw stars the first time I moved the weight. As to injury, I played at the USAFA with a cracked elbow until the end of the season. Then a cast was put on it for six weeks. Some of us, 'fools,' have actually walked and not just talked the walk. My Falcon team, played Tennessee in the Sugar Bowl...and when after my first year there at the Academy, I was no longer pilot qualified because of glasses, I went back to A&I. There, I was part of a team that went undefeated and NAIA champs. From that team, 6 people went to the NFL and five of them were Pro Bowlers during their respective careers. Ernest Price, Levi Johnson, Dwight Harrison, Eldridge Small, David Hill, and Don Hardeman.

As to having three, there are three quarterbacks, three running backs, and three cornerbacks already...they enough also?

Get realistic yourself.

One, it's really impossible to tell at this point what Crawford is or isn't. The 3 tech must be a dominant player in Marinelli's system but even then, that 3 tech needs a 1 tech to eat up space. The 1 tech can't be a total waste like Hayden was. So it's hard to judge Crawford given he had no interior support. Throw in a bad shoulder that should and could have shut him down for a part of the season, I think anyone reaching a final judgment on Crawford at this point is just being silly. It's the same type of logic that had people crapping on Lawrence after last year and even to start this year.

But not surprisingly, as some said on this very board, once Lawrence was 100% healthy and had some competent help along the DL, he showed flashes that he could be an exceptional DE for us.

 

[Sydla]

You like Rankins MORE? I want the most dynamic pair available for the #1 and #3 defensive tackle positions. You saying that a real need that actually would push the final distance to a successful front four isn't worth the price when you have the resources to do just that?

Prove that you have a more dominant alternative and how that can be achieved without settling for a much inferior point to build from!

That level of play when added to Gregory and Lawrence should project strongly into the immediate as well as future of this defensive line. That, or evaluations by the team are little beyond Monopoly money. You supporting that alternative as well?

The MOST important thing to change, is the pass rush. Either that, or a close second, is the secondary. Now, you enjoy adding less than top shelf talents that it hasn't been proven, yet, that this staff can coach up?

The two that I presented are either powerful and aggressive for a #1 DT, or completely explosive and competitive at the #3 DT.

As to Rankins, isn't he a little short and can be engulfed by the larger linemen?

1) No one can "prove" a more dominant alternative at this point. For all you know, Robinson could be a total bust too. So for you to act like any alternative such as finding a DT to play alongside Crawford in free agency is a horrible idea and only drafting TWO defensive tackles in the first is the only way to go is laughable at this point.

2) It's kind of strange that you are willing to dump on Crawford because apparently he hasn't produce enough but you seem perfectly content with Gregory. A guy who showed little to nothing this year and is a complete unknown in terms of whether or not he can be a full time or successful DE in this league. Your logic seems to be that if he gets better play alongside him, then he can shine. Well why doesn't that logic apply to Crawford?

3) Rankins is 6-2 and 304 lbs. I don't think he's too short.

4) You might want to read up on Nkemdiche. Scouts are questioning how competitive he really is. There's some chatter that teams are scared unproductive he was relative to his skill set and it's a big reason why he's no longer considered a lock Top Ten talent like he was heading into the 2015 college season.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I'll never argue with picking a DT high.

Better than picking a DT sober

 

[LatinMind]

You like Rankins MORE? I want the most dynamic pair available for the #1 and #3 defensive tackle positions. You saying that a real need that actually would push the final distance to a successful front four isn't worth the price when you have the resources to do just that?

Prove that you have a more dominant alternative and how that can be achieved without settling for a much inferior point to build from!

That level of play when added to Gregory and Lawrence should project strongly into the immediate as well as future of this defensive line. That, or evaluations by the team are little beyond Monopoly money. You supporting that alternative as well?

The MOST important thing to change, is the pass rush. Either that, or a close second, is the secondary. Now, you enjoy adding less than top shelf talents that it hasn't been proven, yet, that this staff can coach up?

The two that I presented are either powerful and aggressive for a #1 DT, or completely explosive and competitive at the #3 DT.

As to Rankins, isn't he a little short and can be engulfed by the larger linemen?

The guy played the 1 tech for louisville.
"Our area scout really likes him a lot and he's already angling for us to consider him, but he falls outside of the physical parameters of what we want from inside guys. I see him as only a 4-3 nose for a one-gap defense and that's the only fit." -- Former Louisville defensive tackle Brandon Dunn

4-3 nose thats the 1tech. what posistion is most galring on the DL?