My thoughts on why Jerry said what he said about almost drafting Manziel

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Gotta love Jerruh...

I heard this today from a Commanders fan (after messing with him on the non PC nature of his team's name)...

"You're idiot owner did GREAT by drafting lineman!!! He has the best line in football...or close to it! The kid you all drafted this year is playing AWESOME!!!

But that idiot keeps talking about how he wanted to take Johnny Manziel...WHY?!? He doesn't even know how to understand when he did good!!!"

Hate to admit it, but he's right. Stop talking about Johnny Football Jerruh. Hold your head high for once.
 

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Ah...looks like someone else picked up on this...can you link these together?
 

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Gotta love Jerruh...

I heard this today from a Commanders fan (after messing with him on the non PC nature of his team's name)...

"You're idiot owner did GREAT by drafting lineman!!! He has the best line in football...or close to it! The kid you all drafted this year is playing AWESOME!!!

But that idiot keeps talking about how he wanted to take Johnny Manziel...WHY?!? He doesn't even know how to understand when he did good!!!"

Hate to admit it, but he's right. Stop talking about Johnny Football Jerruh. Hold your head high for once.

Jerry was told by his inner circle to stop talking about Johnny football to the media. However, he did it anyways and blurted out that he wanted Johnny all along but he was happy that he was wrong. As the saying goes:

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

 

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Jerry was told by his inner circle to stop talking about Johnny football to the media. However, he did it anyways and blurted out that he wanted Johnny all along but he was happy that he was wrong. As the saying goes:

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

:lmao: that sig pic it too funny!!!!
 

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Jerry is the same guy that said drafting offensive linemen in the first round only get you an 8-8 record every year.....every time Jerry opens his mouth, nothing but stupid comes out...
 

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Gotta love Jerruh...

I heard this today from a Commanders fan (after messing with him on the non PC nature of his team's name)...

"You're idiot owner did GREAT by drafting lineman!!! He has the best line in football...or close to it! The kid you all drafted this year is playing AWESOME!!!

But that idiot keeps talking about how he wanted to take Johnny Manziel...WHY?!? He doesn't even know how to understand when he did good!!!"

Hate to admit it, but he's right. Stop talking about Johnny Football Jerruh. Hold your head high for once.

he listened to his staff that he put in place for this very reason
 

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I believe Jerry was going on about Manziel after the draft in the first place for no other reason than he wanted the publicity that got him for free. And I think it was the league, not his inner circle, that told him to knock it off so that it wasn't perceived as coveting a player on another team for when the next contract window rolls around for the Browns. Knowing another high profile owner publicly coveted the QB could affect those renewal discussions.
 

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I've made it clear for a while now that while I like Jerry-the-owner, I'm not a fan of Jerry-the-GM. I was shocked (and glad) he passed on Manziel in the draft, but you know Jerry had to be worried about the what-could-have-been scenario if Manziel turns out to be a great NFL QB.

In any case, I think everyone, including the media, is completely overlooking why Jerry said what he said. First, there's no doubt that he wanted Manziel. That was obvious even before he made his post-draft comments. That said, he trusted his staff more than himself which was a smart decision that few fans and media give him credit for or if they do, it's more of an after thought.

Now on to WHY he said he what he said. The media, and many fans, will gladly write off Jerry as just-being-Jerry-and-saying-something-stupid (and let's be honest, he does make a habit of that), but what Jerry was doing by making those comments was hedging his bet on drafting Martin instead of Manziel. Ever since he passed on Randy Moss, he's been reminded of that "huge mistake" even though a lot of other teams did the same thing. It also didn't help that Randy Moss seemed to own the Cowboys every time he played against them either.

Jerry wanted Manziel, but we went with the safe (and smart) pick with Martin. Now, what would have happened had Hoyer stunk it up and the Browns inserted Manziel in as their starting QB and the Browns went on a tear while the Cowboys were stuck with an aging, steadily breaking-down QB in Romo? Of course if that had happened, the media, and fans (including many of whom did not want the Cowboys to draft Manziel) would have blasted Jerry again for not drafting a (in hindsight at that time) "very obvious franchise QB" in Manziel. It would have been Randy Moss all over again and would have been brought up every time Romo had a bad game, Manziel had a great game or the Browns had post season success.

Now see, Jerry thought he was being smart by saying, "I really wanted Manziel, but I let others talk me out of it" so if Martin failed to pan out or, even worse, Manziel became a superstar franchise QB, Jerry could say, 'I knew better and should have trusted my gut and not let others convince me otherwise." On the other side, if Martin became a solid or better player and/or Manziel failed to pan out, Jerry could say, "I might have wanted Manziel, but I made the smart pick!" Either way, Jerry would be right, which is something he's fought for over 20 years to prove.

What Jerry didn't count on was the fallout he would get over his post-draft Manziel comments from the media and fans, most of whom did not want the Cowboys to draft Manziel. So, instead of the media talking about the solid pick we have in Martin, they are talking about a bad decision that was not made, which makes little sense logic-wise, but a lot of sense ratings and traffic-wise for the media.

Everyone needs to understand one thing, and I heard several sports commentators say this after the draft. The media was drooling over the "Cowboys draft Manziel" story line. The popularity of the Cowboys merged with the popularity of Manziel would have been a "perfect storm" for the media. Either it would have turned out great and the Cowboys would have given the media a daily hot topic or it would turn out to be a historically (hyperbole FTW) bad decision and the Cowboys would still be a hot topic every day. When the Cowboys went with the safe (aka: non-fancy) pick in Martin, and even worse, Manziel ended up in Cleveland of all places, the media lost two great season-long daily topics at the same time. When Jerry made his comments about really wanting to draft Manziel, it was the media's chance to milk the what-could-have-been story lines.

In the end, it's not the same story line and this story will be a footnote by next season. If he had not made those comments and Manziel became that superstar QB, he would have had to listen to the reminders for the next 10-15 years that the Cowboys (/sarcasm on) are the only team that passed on Manziel which was yet another great blunder and failure of Jerry "the GM" Jones (/sarcasm off).
 

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Very well written and thanks for sharing that. You make some very good points here.

I also wanted to add something to this story. I watched Jerry when he uttered out that really wanted to draft Manziel and that his inner circle ( Stephen Jones and others ) stopped him from doing it. In fact, they have told him to stop talking about Johnny football but he did it anyways.

I think there is something more to the story that Jerry wanted everyone else to understand but its being under-reported. The most important piece to this story is that someone else trumped his decision in selecting Johnny Manziel and forced his hand to select Martin instead. It was Stephen Jones of course. But I think Jerry is wanting to shed his image as someone that does things foolishly and never listens to anyone.

As what you mentioned above.....you give him credit for listening. I do to. I think thats the biggest take away that I get from all of this. That Jerry is slowly starting to relinquish his authority to others and in my opinion thats a good thing for us Cowboys fans.
 

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I can understand Jerry wanting to cover himself no matter which scenario ended up playing out -- but didn't he make multiple comments about this, even months after the draft?

Even pretty recently, I recall him saying something about how the Martin pick was the kind of pick an 8-8 team makes. Then again I haven't seen him say this, just someone else paraphrasing. But that sounds a bit more like he's simply trying to cover himself and truly sounds as though he's bitter about not getting his man.

It kinda comes across like a kid talking back to his parents under his breath after not getting what he wanted.
 

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I can understand Jerry wanting to cover himself no matter which scenario ended up playing out -- but didn't he make multiple comments about this, even months after the draft?

Even pretty recently, I recall him saying something about how the Martin pick was the kind of pick an 8-8 team makes. Then again I haven't seen him say this, just someone else paraphrasing. But that sounds a bit more like he's simply trying to cover himself and truly sounds as though he's bitter about not getting his man.

It kinda comes across like a kid talking back to his parents under his breath after not getting what he wanted.

There's a hidden logic or agenda to everything Jerry says. It may not be sound logic or logic that we can agree with or even understand at times, but he's not just rambling on randomly despite the illusion (or delusion as it were) he sometimes presents. I think one of his biggest problems is that he improvises his interviews rather than preparing beforehand. If he put any forethought into what he planned to say, I think he would a better job of getting his point across without sounding clueless or like a rambling old man like he does quite often.

If I were the owner of the Cowboys, I would rather be proven wrong and the Cowboys win the Super Bowl than be proven right and the Cowboys miss the playoffs. I don't think Jerry subscribes to that thought process, though he may be shifting a little toward that end based on his recent actions, or inactions rather. Only time will tell.

That said, you just know that when the day comes that the Cowboys win another Super Bowl and assuming Jerry is still alive when that happens, he'll be front-and-center taking a lot of the credit. :)
 

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I've always thought it was mostly about the PR. No doubt, Jerry liked the potential of Manziel--for his play, but also for the level of interest in the Cowboys it would generate. Once we understandably passed on him, there was still free press to be had exploiting Jerry's well-known penchant for making a splash move and by putting the Cowboys name and Manziel's together in the press for another cycle. That's a win for the Cowboys until somebody in the league office says otherwise.
 

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I personally never bought into the whole "Jerry had to have his card for Manziel snatched out of his hands by Stephen" rumor that was going around. Maybe it was true. But that doesn't seem like Jerry. Jerry for one is not the type to be overruled by anyone. Even his own son.

And not only that but Jerry had to have known that getting a linemen would further Romo's career. And Jerry has always felt this team was a player away from contending. He was never conceding to rebuilding. That's why i've always wondered how true the Manziel rumors were. Getting Manziel was essentially saying you're officially in rebuilding mode. With a young head coach and a young quarterback. I personally never bought it.
 
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I think the OP's explanation is at least partially correct though I also think Jerry's other comment, that "picking Martin was an 8 and 8 type pick", caused considerable damage. Many feel that Jerry undervalues offensive linemen and has only recently been forced into placing a premium on them, which I believe is true, so the kudos for drafting Martin cannot be completely bestowed upon him.

The "8 and 8" comment may also be misunderstood though, it could be that he was referring to the avoidance of risk as being something that causes mediocrity, not necessarily the picking of an o-lineman. Manziel was a high risk - high reward type pick and we all know how much Jerry believes in rolling the dice as a management style.
 

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I personally never bought into the whole "Jerry had to have his card for Manziel snatched out of his hands by Stephen" rumor that was going around. Maybe it was true. But that doesn't seem like Jerry. Jerry for one is not the type to be overruled by anyone. Even his own son.

And not only that but Jerry had to have known that getting a linemen would further Romo's career. And Jerry has always felt this team was a player away from contending. He was never conceding to rebuilding. That's why i've always wondered how true the Manziel rumors were. Getting Manziel was essentially saying you're officially in rebuilding mode. With a young head coach and a young quarterback. I personally never bought it.

It came from Jerry's own mouth. He was overruled by his inner circle. Heck, they even put an gag order on him to not talk about Johnny football. Yes its hard to believe that Jerry did listen to Stephen. I think he is slowly relenting his grip on this team and eventually he will probably let the guys that know football run it for him.
 

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There's a hidden logic or agenda to everything Jerry says. It may not be sound logic or logic that we can agree with or even understand at times, but he's not just rambling on randomly despite the illusion (or delusion as it were) he sometimes presents. I think one of his biggest problems is that he improvises his interviews rather than preparing beforehand. If he put any forethought into what he planned to say, I think he would a better job of getting his point across without sounding clueless or like a rambling old man like he does quite often.

If I were the owner of the Cowboys, I would rather be proven wrong and the Cowboys win the Super Bowl than be proven right and the Cowboys miss the playoffs. I don't think Jerry subscribes to that thought process, though he may be shifting a little toward that end based on his recent actions, or inactions rather. Only time will tell.

That said, you just know that when the day comes that the Cowboys win another Super Bowl and assuming Jerry is still alive when that happens, he'll be front-and-center taking a lot of the credit. :)

;) Jimmy Johnson could be standing up before camera and proclaiming that he had a hand in today's Cowboys team and responsible for current successes as well...

on Manziel, somebody else deserved that problem and reflection of an out of control element rotting in current college play now.
 
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