FEATURED My thoughts post Eagles game

[T-RO]

My remark on Romo had nothing to do with his game. I posted on his health and something being off with him. But posters on this forum just hijack threads at random. today it happened to be a mod and thats sad. Because nowhere in my post did i mention his stats or his game i just see something off with his throws and i was wondering if there was more to this back surgery.

I can guarantee you he isnt going anywhere next yr, But the following idk about that. There is no way Dallas can take on that 25 mil salary. But like i said theres a clause in there that if he's on the team the 3rd day of the league season he gets 7.5 mil guaranteed. Now if Dallas can win a SB this yr i think the guy stays. But what if he has a end of the yr like he's been having all along. Id take signing Dez, Smith and Carter over having romo QBn my team any day. Aslong as there is somebody capable waiting. But this team is never going to know unless they act. Even if romo is on the team in 2015 they need to have somebody in waiting. This is the yr i think they need to go after a top QB. Because there are plenty. And youre right i realistically think he's here 2 or 3 more yrs too. But if its the same ole Romo come 2015 i think he could be out.

I was perhaps the most adamant this past offseason with the notion that we should have traded Romo, repaired the cap and rebuilt. I felt we could have secured a first rounder for Tony (maybe more) and started on our way towards refreshing the franchise. I also felt that without Romo we would have been horrific in 2013, but that would have secured a top 3 pick in the next draft. I was willing to bite the bullet to avoid the coming aCAPalypse.

I posted all that because, despite being a big Romo fan, I simply don't believe in big salaries for players his age...particularly if they are crippling salaries. Given the sorry status of our cap...the Romo salary will end up being crippling.

That all said...I still believe in Tony the player and the Cowboys have now hitched their fate to him.

Clearly the back injury was more than what we heard reported. Romo was handling himself very gingerly in training camp. It's possible that its still bothering him. But it's far more likely that the crazy winds in Philly impacted all the quarterbacks today.

 

[bark]

Anybody seen the OP

 

[Corso]

It just amazes me that people continue to bring him up like he did something negative today. We have a good situation at safety finally and we should put more money into position with the other holes we have. It's facepalm worthy.

I wish he was a bit bigger and they could put him at the Will and put a ball hawk in his place at FS.
Otherwise- man's man on that field. He does much more good than bad.

 

[Hoofbite]

Realistically Romo has 2 or 3 yrs left in Dallas. Dallas gave romo basically a 5 yr 79.5 mil contract but added 2 fluff yrs that he will never see. There are no SB or guarantees in thos final 2 yrs. 19.5 and 20.5 mil base salaries. But There is something not right about him. And anybody with eyes can see it in his motions and and throws.

But those "2 fluff years" are in years 6 and 7 of the contract. Years 4 and 5 still have guaranteed money assigned to them.

Also there are no guarantees because you can't prorate guarantees over a period greater than 5 years so I'm not sure you can get an impression of anything by looking at it.

in 2015 if Romo is on the roster on the 3rd day of the league yr he gets 7.5 mil on guaranteed money. Thats something to look at. Sure theyd take a cap hit of almost 10 mil making him a june cut but save 15 mil against the cap. Remember contracts to Dez, Carter, Tyron will be time to sign that offseason too. I just dont see how they can pay them and Give Romo 25 mil. Dez is going to sign a huge deal. Contracts for LTs are always high. Carter i dont think will break the team but he's going to sign a secent contract too.

Not quite sure. I'm reading things a bit differently by looking at the contract. By no means am I an expert but here's how it comes across to me.

$7.5M of his scheduled base salary becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster the 3rd day of the league year. That's not anything new, it's just a typical restructure that is written into the contract. Kind of interesting when you think about it. The team basically wrote the contract to be restructured in 2015 which means that they themselves have projected a cap number that needs to be reduced 2 years in advance.

That $7.5M can then be prorated over a 5 year period and effectively reduce his cap figure for 2015 by $6.25M. That would put his cap figure at $19M provided they didn't restructure his contract this coming offseason, which there has been a ton of discussion about.

You wouldn't wait until June 1st to cut him in this particular case because you'd increase the total dead money amount by all $7.5M that was guaranteed on the 3rd day. As it is, if they cut him at the end of 2014 there'd be $19M in dead money. To do any sort of splitting they'd have to wait until the 2015 league year starts, designate him a June 1st cut, and then cut him on the 1st or 2nd day of the league year.....if that's even possible at al.

I think that would apply $8.2M in previously guaranteed money (in the form of prorated allocations to the 2015 year) to the 2015 cap, but it would also accelerate the remaining $11.6M in guaranteed money that is currently scheduled for years beyond 2015 to the 2016 cap.

As a result, Dallas wouldn't save $15M against the cap. You have remember that the restructure is planned (and I had actually overlooked this in some of my previous posts) for the 3rd day of the league year. When that day comes, it's gong to trigger. When it does, his base salary drops from $17M to $9.5M. Add in his $5M in signing bonus scheduled for that year, $3.2M in charges that are the result of previous restructures, and $1.5M for the conversion of that $7.5M into charges attributed to the years 2015 to 2019.

Summed up, his real cap figured for 2015 if he's on the roster is $19.2M

Cutting him before the 2015 season applies $19.9M in dead money to 2015. Even if they could designate him June 1st and cut him before the 3rd day they'll still take $8.2M, which is a reduction of $11M for the 2015 season but all that money is simply pushed to 2016.

No matter how it would all work out I think it's highly unlikely. You'd essentially have to believe that the team intentionally (and while knowing full well the final outcome) wrote a contract that would leave them with almost $20M in dead money after a period of 3 years.

His cap figures for 2013 and 2014 are $11.8M and $21.7M when you add the $19M in dead money that would follow you're looking at a total usage of cap space of $52.5M for 2 years of play? Romo himself would be an idiot to sign a contract that allows him to play just 2 more years and then be cut with over 60% of the total money unpaid. Why not sign for a less overall amount that gives you the ability to play 4 or 5 more years and earn a lot more when it's all said and done.

I just can't see it as a possibility. I think they'll restructure him once, likely twice and I think he'll be on the team through 2017.

 

[xwalker]

But those "2 fluff years" are in years 6 and 7 of the contract. Years 4 and 5 still have guaranteed money assigned to them.

Also there are no guarantees because you can't prorate guarantees over a period greater than 5 years so I'm not sure you can get an impression of anything by looking at it.

Not quite sure. I'm reading things a bit differently by looking at the contract. By no means am I an expert but here's how it comes across to me.

$7.5M of his scheduled base salary becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster the 3rd day of the league year. That's not anything new, it's just a typical restructure that is written into the contract. Kind of interesting when you think about it. The team basically wrote the contract to be restructured in 2015 which means that they themselves have projected a cap number that needs to be reduced 2 years in advance.

That $7.5M can then be prorated over a 5 year period and effectively reduce his cap figure for 2015 by $6.25M. That would put his cap figure at $19M provided they didn't restructure his contract this coming offseason, which there has been a ton of discussion about.

You wouldn't wait until June 1st to cut him in this particular case because you'd increase the total dead money amount by all $7.5M that was guaranteed on the 3rd day. As it is, if they cut him at the end of 2014 there'd be $19M in dead money. To do any sort of splitting they'd have to wait until the 2015 league year starts, designate him a June 1st cut, and then cut him on the 1st or 2nd day of the league year.....if that's even possible at al.

I think that would apply $8.2M in previously guaranteed money (in the form of prorated allocations to the 2015 year) to the 2015 cap, but it would also accelerate the remaining $11.6M in guaranteed money that is currently scheduled for years beyond 2015 to the 2016 cap.

As a result, Dallas wouldn't save $15M against the cap. You have remember that the restructure is planned (and I had actually overlooked this in some of my previous posts) for the 3rd day of the league year. When that day comes, it's gong to trigger. When it does, his base salary drops from $17M to $9.5M. Add in his $5M in signing bonus scheduled for that year, $3.2M in charges that are the result of previous restructures, and $1.5M for the conversion of that $7.5M into charges attributed to the years 2015 to 2019.

Summed up, his real cap figured for 2015 if he's on the roster is $19.2M

Cutting him before the 2015 season applies $19.9M in dead money to 2015. Even if they could designate him June 1st and cut him before the 3rd day they'll still take $8.2M, which is a reduction of $11M for the 2015 season but all that money is simply pushed to 2016.

No matter how it would all work out I think it's highly unlikely. You'd essentially have to believe that the team intentionally (and while knowing full well the final outcome) wrote a contract that would leave them with almost $20M in dead money after a period of 3 years.

His cap figures for 2013 and 2014 are $11.8M and $21.7M when you add the $19M in dead money that would follow you're looking at a total usage of cap space of $52.5M for 2 years of play? Romo himself would be an idiot to sign a contract that allows him to play just 2 more years and then be cut with over 60% of the total money unpaid. Why not sign for a less overall amount that gives you the ability to play 4 or 5 more years and earn a lot more when it's all said and done.

I just can't see it as a possibility. I think they'll restructure him once, likely twice and I think he'll be on the team through 2017.

Nice post!

 

[kramskoi]

The two weeks following his 550 yards and 5 TD game, you mean? You guys are, seriously, unbelievable. On a side note, congrats to Tony for throwing for more yards in his first 100 games than anybody in the history of ever.

Attack the absurdities Idgit!

So ur saying that the team had something to do with him forcing that throw on the int? I agree the defense was lousy the first half of the game. But the DEF is what gave the O a shot in the 2nd half. My point to you is Romo has always been about "ill make the play" when the elite QBs say ill take what they give me and keep it going and it will come. And thats why he hasnt won. Manning won with horrible defense. Eli won with a horrible OL, Rodgers won with one of the worst secondaries(yards wise) in the history of the nfl, as did brees. What gives Romo a pass?

You are full of it dude. The New Orleans Saints had a record number of interceptions and turnovers when Darren Sharper was on the defense in their Superbowl season. Their turnover ratio that year was stupendous. Eli won through running the ball [with Bradshaw] behind a good offensive line [at the time] and a fearsome front four on defense...fearsome enough to beat one of the most prolific offenses ever assembled [Patriots '07]. Rodgers is 0-18 in fourth quarter comebacks versus teams with a record better than .500. You are in the weeds with this wanton idiocy.

 

[Jerruh]

Well, Romo did throw 2 INT's today, so maybe he does need to be replaced. The guy is clearly losing it and looks like he does not know what to do anymore with the ball. He looks tired, slow, and cannot seen to make the right reads.

He easily could have had at least 3 more TD's if his head was in the game! Romo was lucky that the refs gave him this game.

Not sure if serious..

 

[LatinMind]

No you weren't wondering you said you are seeing decline in Romo.

I suggest you read the 2nd reponse from me where i further clarified it to a legit post.

I was perhaps the most adamant this past offseason with the notion that we should have traded Romo, repaired the cap and rebuilt. I felt we could have secured a first rounder for Tony (maybe more) and started on our way towards refreshing the franchise. I also felt that without Romo we would have been horrific in 2013, but that would have secured a top 3 pick in the next draft. I was willing to bite the bullet to avoid the coming aCAPalypse.

I posted all that because, despite being a big Romo fan, I simply don't believe in big salaries for players his age...particularly if they are crippling salaries. Given the sorry status of our cap...the Romo salary will end up being crippling.

That all said...I still believe in Tony the player and the Cowboys have now hitched their fate to him.

Clearly the back injury was more than what we heard reported. Romo was handling himself very gingerly in training camp. It's possible that its still bothering him. But it's far more likely that the crazy winds in Philly impacted all the quarterbacks today.

I sincerly think his back has some lingering issues that have nothing to do with a cyst. He doesnt throw the long ball anymore, his throws are always a little too soft or behind the player. Before Tony would overthrow alot now its usually behind. There is occassional zip on his throws but not what fans are accustomed to seeing.

If you go over every game from this yr you will see a trending throw from romo and thats low and behind the player on most of his incompletions. One of the MOds ABQ sees this and talks about it every week.

His age and i believe his back are whats holding him back. Nobody can tell me Bill Callahan is keeping Romo from the long ball. Parcells couldnt even do that.

 

[LatinMind]

But those "2 fluff years" are in years 6 and 7 of the contract. Years 4 and 5 still have guaranteed money assigned to them.

Also there are no guarantees because you can't prorate guarantees over a period greater than 5 years so I'm not sure you can get an impression of anything by looking at it.



Not quite sure. I'm reading things a bit differently by looking at the contract. By no means am I an expert but here's how it comes across to me.

$7.5M of his scheduled base salary becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster the 3rd day of the league year. That's not anything new, it's just a typical restructure that is written into the contract. Kind of interesting when you think about it. The team basically wrote the contract to be restructured in 2015 which means that they themselves have projected a cap number that needs to be reduced 2 years in advance.

That $7.5M can then be prorated over a 5 year period and effectively reduce his cap figure for 2015 by $6.25M. That would put his cap figure at $19M provided they didn't restructure his contract this coming offseason, which there has been a ton of discussion about.

You wouldn't wait until June 1st to cut him in this particular case because you'd increase the total dead money amount by all $7.5M that was guaranteed on the 3rd day. As it is, if they cut him at the end of 2014 there'd be $19M in dead money. To do any sort of splitting they'd have to wait until the 2015 league year starts, designate him a June 1st cut, and then cut him on the 1st or 2nd day of the league year.....if that's even possible at al.

I think that would apply $8.2M in previously guaranteed money (in the form of prorated allocations to the 2015 year) to the 2015 cap, but it would also accelerate the remaining $11.6M in guaranteed money that is currently scheduled for years beyond 2015 to the 2016 cap.

As a result, Dallas wouldn't save $15M against the cap. You have remember that the restructure is planned (and I had actually overlooked this in some of my previous posts) for the 3rd day of the league year. When that day comes, it's gong to trigger. When it does, his base salary drops from $17M to $9.5M. Add in his $5M in signing bonus scheduled for that year, $3.2M in charges that are the result of previous restructures, and $1.5M for the conversion of that $7.5M into charges attributed to the years 2015 to 2019.

Summed up, his real cap figured for 2015 if he's on the roster is $19.2M

Cutting him before the 2015 season applies $19.9M in dead money to 2015. Even if they could designate him June 1st and cut him before the 3rd day they'll still take $8.2M, which is a reduction of $11M for the 2015 season but all that money is simply pushed to 2016.

No matter how it would all work out I think it's highly unlikely. You'd essentially have to believe that the team intentionally (and while knowing full well the final outcome) wrote a contract that would leave them with almost $20M in dead money after a period of 3 years.

His cap figures for 2013 and 2014 are $11.8M and $21.7M when you add the $19M in dead money that would follow you're looking at a total usage of cap space of $52.5M for 2 years of play? Romo himself would be an idiot to sign a contract that allows him to play just 2 more years and then be cut with over 60% of the total money unpaid. Why not sign for a less overall amount that gives you the ability to play 4 or 5 more years and earn a lot more when it's all said and done.

I just can't see it as a possibility. I think they'll restructure him once, likely twice and I think he'll be on the team through 2017.

Nice post. But i just dont see him playing in Dallas 2016. Especially with the contracts that are coming up. As i said Dez, Smith and Carter. With the amount of rookie contracts Dallas has at this point Dead money wont hurt them as it has in the past. The core starting players of this team are in their rookie deals. You keep Romo longer the bigger chance in losing some of these younger guys. Dallas is horrific in its diagnosis of players, or letting the public know. You can go back to players like Newman, Henry, Ratliff, Hell go to Marco Rivera.. The guy was injured before Dallas signed him. Their medical people looked him over but just a week or 2 after they signed him apparently there was more wrong with him.

Right now at this moment, Romo is the best chance this team has at winning.but come April if Teddy B, Murray, Manziel is there i bet you Jerry jumps on it. Especially i think Manziel. Jerry would market the hell out of him. Never underestimate Jerry when he thinks he has the coaches who can get the job done with players of lesser talent to go after the marketable guy that can fill the seats create revenue and get the job done on the field.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

You are the one complaining about Romo! Well, you and some of the other haters.

Oh! Just an FYI...!

The Dallas Cowboys won, on the road, against a hated rival, in a hostile environment. The replay might come on later in the week, don't forget to watch it.

Stay cool...

how am I hating?

We've seen Romo peak, and he played a below average game for the 2nd week in a row.

 

[Little Jr]

Who decides if a thread is featured?I really don't see why this is even featured.

 

[Zordon]

Who decides if a thread is featured?I really don't see why this is even featured.

why do you care?

 

[Little Jr]

why do you care?

Why do you care that I care?

 

[Zordon]

Why do you care that I care?

i don't....carry on with your whining.

maybe one day you'll grow up to be a big boy and not let such trivial things bother you or at the very least, open yourself up to criticism by making your own threads.

 

[Little Jr]

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i don't....carry on with your whining.

maybe one day you'll grow up to be a big boy and not let such trivial things bother you or at the very least, open yourself up to criticism by making your own threads.

Lol you care. As far as bothering me I'm not losing no sleep over it. Just asked a question and gave an opinion. Thanks for caring. Lol

 

[Szczepanik]

Im going to start this with something a little controversial. And i never thought id feel this way because i was on this guys bandwagon since before he was on anybodys radar and when 99% of Cowboy fans were on Merrimans jock. Ware is becoming less and less of a necessity to this scheme.

Marinelli is proving that he doesnt need superstars on his DL but guys who go all out and stick to the system. The stick to their gaps and play together. McCoy was a nonfactor today.

Lee and Carter are back 100% and are showing us fans what they thought about these guys coming out of college. Carter had some hickups this yr but he's back. Guy is quick to the ball and is using his head instead of just his athletic ability now. I think he got caught up in trying to make a play and he got burned a few times. Now he's learning stick to his assignment and the plays will come.

Wilcox is growing by the week. He's the future at SS, but i still feel church is a liabilty at FS. Dallas needs to address this, this offseason. Playing Church in certain packages will be better for him and this team.

These RBs Dallas has are not going to cut it plain and simple. There was holes and they just didnt hit them today. Randle IMO is Julius Jones all over. You can see it in his running, and it didnt hit me until i realised the number lol. Wouldnt hurt to bring up Meggett.

Cole Beasly should be ahead of Harris no ifs ands or buts. Should even be ahead of Miles. Austin is an afterthought. CBs just cant seem to stay with Beasly after his intial cut. Quick with great hands.

I think we are seeing the decline of Romo. And its starting to show. He's lost a little on his throws and alot of his accuracy if you ask me. They need to draft his replacement this yr and cut him after next yr. Derek Carr is the guy im hoping for.

Hatcher IDC what anybody says. Is a must sign. He blows up the entire middle of the line. People say he's playing for a contract. First he was playing DE in a 3-4, BUT when they moved him inside he always blew up the middle of the pocket. We are just seeing it consistently now because he is a DT in a 4-3.

Nevis is the guy that does all the dirty work. I love this guys motor.

Harris seems like he found his place and thats special teams. I think this team wanted more from him on the O side of the game but he's not going to produce consistently ever. But in the special teams he's a dominating force. Thats his place and thats where he should stay.

This OL had a so-so game and few penalties on Free but he saved Dallas on his FS at the goalline. Romo was going to be killed.

Carr MO and Scan have really picked up their game. Or should i said are allowed to play their game now with more man up play being allowed by Kiffin. It was obvious that Zone mess was allowing too much inside. This team is going to allow some things but since they switched to more man the payoff has been better results and wins.

This DEF shut down a Offense that killed a good bucs defense just a week ago. With Foles playing QB. Theres no question that Kiffin and Marinelli had a great gameplan today. McCoy and Celek i thought would be the problems but Kiffin made both non-**'n-Factors.

Go Cowboys 1st place

Romo has an average game where both INT's were not his fault.. and you want his head? But when he plays well I bet you are all pro Romo?
Be weary of giving the DL tons of hype before they prove they are consistent...

 

[T-RO]

Why do you care that I care?

The question of why/how some become featured threads...It's a very valid question...and Zordon in this case you are the inappropriate (and shrill) whiner, not little jr.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Huge over reach on the Romo analysis, looks more like he's being overly cautious with his ball placement. Just two weeks ago he set playing field on fire with fantastic play and got lambasted anyways. At any rate, the dude is near retirement anyways and the team should seize the moment if they get a chance at a top QB.

 

[TimHortons]

Kidding aside, I honestly think that is actually the case with some. Someone was on here the other day saying they were born in '95 or something...someone that young wasn't paying attention to those scrub qb's. I was a fan all thru the 80's, but heck I was outside playing football in the yard most of the time.

I was born in 94 and I started really paying attention to the Cowboys the year Parcells was brought in, so I guess that would mean since Quincy. Some youngsters do appreciate Romo!

 

[BigDPlayer]

The two weeks following his 550 yards and 5 TD game, you mean? You guys are, seriously, unbelievable. On a side note, congrats to Tony for throwing for more yards in his first 100 games than anybody in the history of ever.

What he said... seriously.