My top 10 CB Rankings for the Cowboys

[stilltheguru]

I bet people said the same anout okudah and he was probably the worst rookie cb.

 

[Cowboyny]

Sign Awuzie or Lewis and give me one of 4-6 on your list

use FA dollars and premium picks to build front 7 and FS

that’s how I want this defense built
Not spending another premium pick on CB this year

If you don't want an early corner, you better hope you can find a trading partner. Think taking a LB at 10 is a reach, far more then one of the two corners.

 

[visionary]

If you don't want an early corner, you better hope you can find a trading partner. Think taking a LB at 10 is a reach, far more then one of the two corners.

My first preference would be trade down

 

[cnuball21]

Of course its more likely but whats also more likely is Farley not being the best cb in the draft. To say he's the only cb1........no. I'll easily take the field with more than 1 guy, either being better or the same level

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at...Farley might not be the best CB in the class, Lawrence might not be the best QB in the class and Sewell might not be the best OT in the class but if I had to bet my money is on them.

At the top of the draft I'm looking for NFL size, athleticism, production and traits. Out of all of the CBs in this class, Farley checks the most of those boxes IMO.

There's plenty of CB talent in this draft, but if I had to pick 1 guy that has the potential to come into these league and match up with the likes of Julio / Thomas / Adams I'm taking Farley.

 

[stilltheguru]

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at...Farley might not be the best CB in the class, Lawrence might not be the best QB in the class and Sewell might not be the best OT in the class but if I had to bet my money is on them.

At the top of the draft I'm looking for NFL size, athleticism, production and traits. Out of all of the CBs in this class, Farley checks the most of those boxes IMO.

There's plenty of CB talent in this draft, but if I had to pick 1 guy that has the potential to come into these league and match up with the likes of Julio / Thomas / Adams I'm taking Farley.

You said Farley is the only cb1. I said its a ridiculous take whether its year 1 or year 2 there will be multiple cbs in this draft that have a chance to be a cb1 type. I think surtain and farley are pretty overhyped. Not saying other cbs in this draft are necessarily better but i dont see pick 10 for either of them.

 

[cnuball21]

You said Farley is the only cb1. I said its a ridiculous take whether its year 1 or year 2 there will be multiple cbs in this draft that have a chance to be a cb1 type. I think surtain and farley are pretty overhyped. Not saying other cbs in this draft are necessarily better but i dont see pick 10 for either of them.

Fair enough...your opinion and I strongly disagree.

 

[stilltheguru]

Fair enough...your opinion and I strongly disagree.

Do you see Farley as better than okudah/henderson?

 

[CowboyRoy]

We could very well have the pick of the litter of the 1st defensive player taken in this draft. Moving to the 10 slot, we are talking about the same defensive prospects that we would of over drafted within the top 5. I agree, we would of been in a far better position to get a ransom for a QB needy team. In my opinion, that door isn't completely shut, I see 4 at minimum in the top 10, could be even 5 QB's.

It's very hard to intentionally lose games when jobs are on the line. Look what happened in Philly, they fired their HC who recently won them a Super Bowl. Players don't tank, cause they don't want to have bad tape out there for other teams to see. We have seen coaches fired after 1 season. The Cowboys roster even with many players hurt, was still better then the worst teams in the league.

Who said anything about losing intentionally? Why do you guys all fall back to that statement? This is about you and I rooting for a loss or a win. Nothing to do with players or coaches trying or not.

At least you admit you see the value in 5 draft spots. Ill settle for that.

 

[cnuball21]

Do you see Farley as better than okudah/henderson?

Not a better prospect than Okudah was...like him better than Henderson.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

If you don't want an early corner, you better hope you can find a trading partner. Think taking a LB at 10 is a reach, far more then one of the two corners.

The Cowboys, if they take the practical position, can draft a corner worthy of 10 and fill a position of great need. Hard to argue against it.

I am not a fan of taking an off-ball LB that early, but I will say this... if. If they could fill the corner positions and find an upgrade at DT... that Notre Dame kid could be a special weapon. He can and has covered slot receivers. He can easily carry a TE. He is a dynamic blitzer. And he is a reliable tackler.

This is why the rich often get richer. A team with substantial holes must, at least to an extent, take the practical position. But a team that can afford to shop for a luxury item can see a weapon fall right into its hands.

In this modern game, a guy who can line up in multiple places and create diverse matchup issues is really valuable.

But when your business relies on you having a pickup, you can't shop instead for a sports car.

 

[Cowboyny]

The Cowboys, if they take the practical position, can draft a corner worthy of 10 and fill a position of great need. Hard to argue against it.

I am not a fan of taking an off-ball LB that early, but I will say this... if. If they could fill the corner positions and find an upgrade at DT... that Notre Dame kid could be a special weapon. He can and has covered slot receivers. He can easily carry a TE. He is a dynamic blitzer. And he is a reliable tackler.

This is why the rich often get richer. A team with substantial holes must, at least to an extent, take the practical position. But a team that can afford to shop for a luxury item can see a weapon fall right into its hands.

In this modern game, a guy who can line up in multiple places and create diverse matchup issues is really valuable.

But when your business relies on you having a pickup, you can't shop instead for a sports car.

Where do you play JOK? He is more of a rover safety with great coverage abilities. I worry about his lack of size as a linebacker, can he hold up against the run?

 

[Shake_Tiller]

I play him at weak OLB in that Quinn version of Wide 9 or whatever you wish to call it. I am trying to keep him in space, at least on base.

But in packages, I use him in diverse ways. I might match him with a slot receiver unless the guy is a burner. I might have him take the TE. I let him blitz. Like basketball, in some ways, pro football is becoming a positionless game. I don't mean that literally, but I mean some players are asked to do a variety of things, and their ability to do so stresses the offense. It allows a defense to more easily disguise its intent. And it makes it more difficult for the offense to create mismatches through formation and motion.

Yes, I make some sacrifices. He isn't going to be that big downhill thumper. But that's not the game anymore -- especially against elite QBs.

Look how the Chiefs' offense approaches short yardage and goal-line situations. Andy is the good standard.

It's why Quinn needed a Grady Jarret -- a big man at DT who can still be active. He needs to protect that small LB.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Where do you play JOK? He is more of a rover safety with great coverage abilities. I worry about his lack of size as a linebacker, can he hold up against the run?

I tried to answer the best I could and forgot to quote. See what you think... your mileage surely might vary.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Where do you play JOK? He is more of a rover safety with great coverage abilities. I worry about his lack of size as a linebacker, can he hold up against the run?

I think JOK can do for a defense a little of what Pitts can do for an offense. JOK isn't exactly a LB or a SS. Pitts isn't exactly a WR or a TE. They are hybrids.

The league used to hate tweeners, but that isn't really true anymore. You need TEs who can run the seam and play in space. You need defenders who can drop into coverage and carry guys in man.

This is my concern about pairing LVE and Jaylon, even if their play is much improved. I don't think either can truly be a guy who excels in space.

 

[conner01]

People question Stokes speed? You know hes a track star right?

He’s not as fast as some of the others but he’s very smart and doesn’t put himself in positions he has to chase many WR
His track was high jump and 100 meter
The make up speed is great but if you stay in position it’s not as important
Richard Sherman was considered slow but he became a great player from being smart, not fast

 

[conner01]

Fans that think tanking means the players actually trying to lose doesn't understand the concept.

Now I have seen cases where management doens't care if they lose.

You never want the players to tank
But I would have played Gilbert to finish the year
Give you a chance to see if he could be a backup and give you a better chance at staying in top 5

 

[Cowboyny]

I think JOK can do for a defense a little of what Pitts can do for an offense. JOK isn't exactly a LB or a SS. Pitts isn't exactly a WR or a TE. They are hybrids.

The league used to hate tweeners, but that isn't really true anymore. You need TEs who can run the seam and play in space. You need defenders who can drop into coverage and carry guys in man.

This is my concern about pairing LVE and Jaylon, even if their play is much improved. I don't think either can truly be a guy who excels in space.

You make some good points. Lve coming into the league was suppose to be a good coverage guy, he needed to get stronger in the run game. As a rookie he was always around the football, kind of like what we saw with Wilson last year. For some reason, Nolan was taking him over the field in the nickel, made no sense as he is clearly the better cover guy then Jaylon.

Not sure if JOK will be an asset against the run, either. You can draft a player like Cox in the 2nd or even the 3rd rd who excels in that area. We need more of a physical MLB type then a undersized weakside linebacker against the run.

 

[Cowboyny]

The Cowboys, if they take the practical position, can draft a corner worthy of 10 and fill a position of great need. Hard to argue against it.

I am not a fan of taking an off-ball LB that early, but I will say this... if. If they could fill the corner positions and find an upgrade at DT... that Notre Dame kid could be a special weapon. He can and has covered slot receivers. He can easily carry a TE. He is a dynamic blitzer. And he is a reliable tackler.

This is why the rich often get richer. A team with substantial holes must, at least to an extent, take the practical position. But a team that can afford to shop for a luxury item can see a weapon fall right into its hands.

In this modern game, a guy who can line up in multiple places and create diverse matchup issues is really valuable.

But when your business relies on you having a pickup, you can't shop instead for a sports car.

You can draft a similar hybrid in Nasirildeen but more at a bargain price then the cost of drafting JOK in the first rd. Nasir is an excellent nickel, box defender who many think is a TE eraser.

 

[NeonNinja]

I recognize most of the names except Melifonwu, I'll check him out.

I like him a lot. Might even have him only behind Farley. I do like Surtain too but I see Melifonwu having a higher ceiling.

 

[cnuball21]

You make some good points. Lve coming into the league was suppose to be a good coverage guy, he needed to get stronger in the run game. As a rookie he was always around the football, kind of like what we saw with Wilson last year. For some reason, Nolan was taking him over the field in the nickel, made no sense as he is clearly the better cover guy then Jaylon.

Not sure if JOK will be an asset against the run, either. You can draft a player like Cox in the 2nd or even the 3rd rd who excels in that area. We need more of a physical MLB type then a undersized weakside linebacker against the run.

Injury concerns aside, I'd take LVE in the 1st over JOK 10 times out of 10.

JOK is a fun college player, but he his game doesn't translate to the NFL for a natural position.

He's like a OLB / S tweener. He's too small to play the run in the NFL as a LBr and you're talking about a position change for moving him to S.

I'd draft him in the top 100 due to the athleticism and traits but the 1st round talk is insane to me.