My top 10 CB Rankings for the Cowboys

conner01 said:
You never want the players to tank
But I would have played Gilbert to finish the year
Give you a chance to see if he could be a backup and give you a better chance at staying in top 5
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Completely agree. And gilbert was better than dalton. Especially with the bad oline situation.
 
CowboyRoy said:
Completely agree. And gilbert was better than dalton. Especially with the bad oline situation.
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I don’t know if he was better but you know what dalton can do and know having him as backup next year will cost more
It would have been nice to see if Gilbert could be a cheaper option at backup
 
Cowboyny said:
Where do you play JOK? He is more of a rover safety with great coverage abilities. I worry about his lack of size as a linebacker, can he hold up against the run?
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Quinn would use him at Will, just like he did Deion Jones. Like Tampa uses Lavonte David.

The LB position is changing more quickly than just about any other position on defense IMO. Guys like Jones, David, Darius Leonard in Indy, and even Isaiah Simmons in last years draft are becoming valuable pieces for defensive coordinators. They have the movement skills needed these days at the second level. It isn’t just a fast 40 time that teams need now... they need lateral quickness and the ability to change directions on a dime along with the long speed to stick with guys in coverage.

A few years ago, having a 220 pound Will was looked at as too small but that has changed. IMO, a guy that can run and cover like that, along with great instincts for getting to the football is something that the Dallas defense is lacking. Smith and LVE might have good straight line speed, but their change of direction skills aren’t what I want at LB... particularly not at the Will spot. Watch Smith changing directions. His lateral movement is way less than ideal. Then watch JOK changing directions... he moves like a DB.

I do understand the concerns about size but your Will should be kept pretty clean and have a clean run at the ball most of the time. I mean, it isn’t like Smith is going to stack and shed at the point of attack anyway. I’d much rather have a guy like Koramoah who gets there way faster, is way, way better in coverage, and if he needs to change directions he does it instantly.

I’m telling you, JOK at Will and Jaylon at SAM would be a huge upgrade for the Dallas defense.

Speaking for myself, I normally don’t like to use a first round pick on an off the ball, 43 LB because what I normally want (fast, smart, undersized is ok) can be found in the second or third rounds. Think Dixon Edwards or Darrin Smith in Jimmy Johnson’s defense. Both second day picks, both a little small, and both could run like hell. Those LB’s are what I’m thinking for a 43 Will LB.

So using 10 overall on a LB would be very hard for me to stomach. However, with a slight move back, I could see taking a guy like JOK because he has rare abilities and instincts that I don’t think is easy to find on the second day. Look at what Lavonte David has given Tampa since he was drafted. That is worth a first round pick... and that type of LB is only going to become more and more useful as offenses continue to go ballistic.

However, I just don’t think Dallas will feel the same way. A few years ago they got on this “draft length” kick where they won’t take really talented guys who are good football players just because they aren’t 6-5 at LB and 6-1 at DB. Guys like Antone Winfield and Deion Jones are passed over because they don’t fit what they want in height. That’s why I like to see Joe Thomas in the game because he can really run and is much quicker than the other LB’s. He always plays well.

It is very frustrating to me, and I feel it is a mistake... but that is another conversation for another day.

So, I doubt that Dallas will even seriously look at JOK just for that reason alone. Then throw in that I don’t think the team is anywhere close to wanting to replace Smith and LVE... and I don’t think there is a prayer of Dallas taking Koramoah. Not unless Quinn somehow convinces the front office that he really needs more movement from his Will than he can get from the current LB’s, and then convinces them that Smith should be a SAM and get after the QB.

That’s why I don’t see Dallas taking a LB in the first or second round. So guys like JOK and Bolton are pretty much off the board, IMO, and Parsons probably is too unless they think he’s a LEO. I think there is an outside shot at Collins if the board falls right because he has the length and size that they have been looking for in their LB dimensions.
 
AsthmaField said:
Quinn would use him at Will, just like he did Deion Jones. Like Tampa uses Lavonte David.

The LB position is changing more quickly than just about any other position on defense IMO. Guys like Jones, David, Darius Leonard in Indy, and even Isaiah Simmons in last years draft are becoming valuable pieces for defensive coordinators. They have the movement skills needed these days at the second level. It isn’t just a fast 40 time that teams need now... they need lateral quickness and the ability to change directions on a dime along with the long speed to stick with guys in coverage.

A few years ago, having a 220 pound Will was looked at as too small but that has changed. IMO, a guy that can run and cover like that, along with great instincts for getting to the football is something that the Dallas defense is lacking. Smith and LVE might have good straight line speed, but their change of direction skills aren’t what I want at LB... particularly not at the Will spot. Watch Smith changing directions. His lateral movement is way less than ideal. Then watch JOK changing directions... he moves like a DB.

I do understand the concerns about size but your Will should be kept pretty clean and have a clean run at the ball most of the time. I mean, it isn’t like Smith is going to stack and shed at the point of attack anyway. I’d much rather have a guy like Koramoah who gets there way faster, is way, way better in coverage, and if he needs to change directions he does it instantly.

I’m telling you, JOK at Will and Jaylon at SAM would be a huge upgrade for the Dallas defense.

Speaking for myself, I normally don’t like to use a first round pick on an off the ball, 43 LB because what I normally want (fast, smart, undersized is ok) can be found in the second or third rounds. Think Dixon Edwards or Darrin Smith in Jimmy Johnson’s defense. Both second day picks, both a little small, and both could run like hell. Those LB’s are what I’m thinking for a 43 Will LB.

So using 10 overall on a LB would be very hard for me to stomach. However, with a slight move back, I could see taking a guy like JOK because he has rare abilities and instincts that I don’t think is easy to find on the second day. Look at what Lavonte David has given Tampa since he was drafted. That is worth a first round pick... and that type of LB is only going to become more and more useful as offenses continue to go ballistic.

However, I just don’t think Dallas will feel the same way. A few years ago they got on this “draft length” kick where they won’t take really talented guys who are good football players just because they aren’t 6-5 at LB and 6-1 at DB. Guys like Antone Winfield and Deion Jones are passed over because they don’t fit what they want in height. That’s why I like to see Joe Thomas in the game because he can really run and is much quicker than the other LB’s. He always plays well.

It is very frustrating to me, and I feel it is a mistake... but that is another conversation for another day.

So, I doubt that Dallas will even seriously look at JOK just for that reason alone. Then throw in that I don’t think the team is anywhere close to wanting to replace Smith and LVE... and I don’t think there is a prayer of Dallas taking Koramoah. Not unless Quinn somehow convinces the front office that he really needs more movement from his Will than he can get from the current LB’s, and then convinces them that Smith should be a SAM and get after the QB.

That’s why I don’t see Dallas taking a LB in the first or second round. So guys like JOK and Bolton are pretty much off the board, IMO, and Parsons probably is too unless they think he’s a LEO. I think there is an outside shot at Collins if the board falls right because he has the length and size that they have been looking for in their LB dimensions.
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Sam has to guard tight ends. Jaylon on tight ends? Ewww. Id rather LVE doing that. JOK would erase the screen passes thats been killing us since 201.........yea
 
AsthmaField said:
Quinn would use him at Will, just like he did Deion Jones. Like Tampa uses Lavonte David.

The LB position is changing more quickly than just about any other position on defense IMO. Guys like Jones, David, Darius Leonard in Indy, and even Isaiah Simmons in last years draft are becoming valuable pieces for defensive coordinators. They have the movement skills needed these days at the second level. It isn’t just a fast 40 time that teams need now... they need lateral quickness and the ability to change directions on a dime along with the long speed to stick with guys in coverage.

A few years ago, having a 220 pound Will was looked at as too small but that has changed. IMO, a guy that can run and cover like that, along with great instincts for getting to the football is something that the Dallas defense is lacking. Smith and LVE might have good straight line speed, but their change of direction skills aren’t what I want at LB... particularly not at the Will spot. Watch Smith changing directions. His lateral movement is way less than ideal. Then watch JOK changing directions... he moves like a DB.

I do understand the concerns about size but your Will should be kept pretty clean and have a clean run at the ball most of the time. I mean, it isn’t like Smith is going to stack and shed at the point of attack anyway. I’d much rather have a guy like Koramoah who gets there way faster, is way, way better in coverage, and if he needs to change directions he does it instantly.

I’m telling you, JOK at Will and Jaylon at SAM would be a huge upgrade for the Dallas defense.

Speaking for myself, I normally don’t like to use a first round pick on an off the ball, 43 LB because what I normally want (fast, smart, undersized is ok) can be found in the second or third rounds. Think Dixon Edwards or Darrin Smith in Jimmy Johnson’s defense. Both second day picks, both a little small, and both could run like hell. Those LB’s are what I’m thinking for a 43 Will LB.

So using 10 overall on a LB would be very hard for me to stomach. However, with a slight move back, I could see taking a guy like JOK because he has rare abilities and instincts that I don’t think is easy to find on the second day. Look at what Lavonte David has given Tampa since he was drafted. That is worth a first round pick... and that type of LB is only going to become more and more useful as offenses continue to go ballistic.

However, I just don’t think Dallas will feel the same way. A few years ago they got on this “draft length” kick where they won’t take really talented guys who are good football players just because they aren’t 6-5 at LB and 6-1 at DB. Guys like Antone Winfield and Deion Jones are passed over because they don’t fit what they want in height. That’s why I like to see Joe Thomas in the game because he can really run and is much quicker than the other LB’s. He always plays well.

It is very frustrating to me, and I feel it is a mistake... but that is another conversation for another day.

So, I doubt that Dallas will even seriously look at JOK just for that reason alone. Then throw in that I don’t think the team is anywhere close to wanting to replace Smith and LVE... and I don’t think there is a prayer of Dallas taking Koramoah. Not unless Quinn somehow convinces the front office that he really needs more movement from his Will than he can get from the current LB’s, and then convinces them that Smith should be a SAM and get after the QB.

That’s why I don’t see Dallas taking a LB in the first or second round. So guys like JOK and Bolton are pretty much off the board, IMO, and Parsons probably is too unless they think he’s a LEO. I think there is an outside shot at Collins if the board falls right because he has the length and size that they have been looking for in their LB dimensions.
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Agree front office uses particular parameters for their players. Target athletic, big, long players over the smaller quicker ones. You are right they may not consider JOK at all, probably not Bolton too
 
Cowboyny said:
Agree front office uses particular parameters for their players. Target athletic, big, long players over the smaller quicker ones. You are right they may not consider JOK at all, probably not Bolton too
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I agree with a lot of your thoughts on the draft and the players you like, so don’t think I’m being argumentative with you here, but if a team says, “Jaylon Smith can play for me but Lavonte David can’t”, then there’s a problem on defense. Dallas’ drafting on offense has been pretty stellar... but what they’ve been doing to draft defensive guys has been much less productive.

The defense needs some speed and quickness along with some talent up front. JMO.
 
AsthmaField said:
I agree with a lot of your thoughts on the draft and the players you like, so don’t think I’m being argumentative with you here, but if a team says, “Jaylon Smith can play for me but Lavonte David can’t”, then there’s a problem on defense. Dallas’ drafting on offense has been pretty stellar... but what they’ve been doing to draft defensive guys has been much less productive.

The defense needs some speed and quickness along with some talent up front. JMO.
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The team's recent draft success taking defensive players has been dismal. Outside of Tank, there have missed on almost every defensive pick made. Now some of that is giving Marinelli too much power in the selections. Also, team has too much fascination with those elite athletes who have those top sparq scores. They need to start drafting better football player over the better athletes.

What gives us some hope, MM is a big proponent of letting the scouts pick the players and having the coaches coach. Also, Dan Quinn isn't as restrictive as the prior coaches in regards to drafting players with certain physical traits required. We have seen smaller, quicker linebackers in his scheme with Atlanta. He has had some smaller corners, that didn't possess elite length.

Now will the front office/scouts continue placing such parameters? Will they still be targeting the elite athletes over the better football players? Will they give their coaches too much power in the draft room? Time will tell.
 
i like washington's keith taylor.
another long corner that i'm sure is on their radar.

outside of the big 2...i like campbell,georgia...the syracuse kid and newsome.
 
cowboyec said:
i like washington's keith taylor.
another long corner that i'm sure is on their radar.

outside of the big 2...i like campbell,georgia...the syracuse kid and newsome.
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Heard both Voch and Cavanaugh talking up about the Kentucky Corner Kelvin Joseph. They both think he is in the range of the top 3.
 
Lets be honest. Drafting a corner round 1 would be silly based on the guys who will be available in round 2. Farley and Surtain arent THAT much better than the second round options.
 
Cowboyny said:
Early on thought the corner class looked weak, but it is starting to show more depth then I originally thought. A lot of Big/Small corners, that look to lack elite speed. 40 times are very important for this position, but without the combine, I bet we are going to see fast numbers in these so called pro dates.

1-Farley Virginia Tech (believe best def. player in the draft, elite speed, ball skills, some durability concerns)
2-Surtain Alabama (master technician, high floor player that only flaw is long speed/quickness)
3-Horn South Carolina (extremely aggressive and handsy, will need to clean it up or a flag machine)
4-Melifonwu Syracuse (fits Quinn's scheme very well, big/long corner with elite speed, still not refined)
5-Campbell Georgia (fits the big/long corner prototype, but just doesn't make enough plays on the field)
6-Newsome Northwestern (the CB many are sleeping on, great fit in C3, does have durability concerns)
7-Stokes Georgia (possesses strong ball skills, but some question he speed/quickness)
8-Molden Washington (slot corner with elite instincts)
9-Robinson UCF (very physical slot corner with good feet, some believe he could be a 1st rd player)
10-Adebo Stanford (another player many are sleeping on, opt out, but excellent fit as a zone corner)

Just missed-Thomas Michigan

Why isn't Asante Samuel on my list? Just don't see this team taking an undersized outside corner. McClay covets elite size/length for the position. If they do take a smaller corner, it would be more for the slot role.
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I might get killed for this, but I wouldn't hate Wade in the third round. He has dropped so much he might be underrated now. Should be a very good slot CB in the NFL. That being a difficult position to cover gives him some value to me. With his size, there is still possibility that he can develop into a better outside CB than he was in 2020. However a top notch slot CB in the 3rd isnt bad value if he doesnt develop into an outside CB
 
CowboyRoy said:
Completely agree. And gilbert was better than dalton. Especially with the bad oline situation.
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You mostly know what you have in Dalton, Gilbert more of an unknown.

But I doubt Jerry thought Dalton could "take over" for Dak for an extended amount of time, even if he'd had a better defense to help the team out.

More like 2-4 games.

Playing Dalton didn't do anything but hurt the team...
 
darthseinfeld said:
I might get killed for this, but I wouldn't hate Wade in the third round. He has dropped so much he might be underrated now. Should be a very good slot CB in the NFL. That being a difficult position to cover gives him some value to me. With his size, there is still possibility that he can develop into a better outside CB than he was in 2020. However a top notch slot CB in the 3rd isnt bad value if he doesnt develop into an outside CB
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If he is there at 99 or day 3, he is worth the gamble. People ding him for being a bad outside corner, but he was an excellent slot guy a year ago. Scandrick also was bad on the outside, but he was a very good slot corner.
 
BourbonBalz said:
Kelvin Joseph should be ahead of 2-3 of those guys.
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Joseph was an unknown at the time of this original post. Did take the time and watched a few games, he has 1st rd ability, but what I've heard he has character concerns, that might make him fall. Dane Bruglar said he's too talented to fall past 60, not but he wasn't in his top 100.
 
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