My top guy quit...

[big dog cowboy]

I'd bring him back into a different position since his old job was already filled.

Put him in your biggest problem area and see if he can straighten it out.

 

[CATCH17]

Oh, I'm not asking for advice. I'm just conducting an experiment on human nature and I'm curious about what percentage of people are forgiving and understanding, compared to the percentage of folks who are ruthless and cut-throat.

I already did what was necessary regarding the matter. I'm just curious as to what others would do.

I'd give him his old job back and maybe make up a job title for him or something if need be.

5 years of loyal hard work for you and your company should at least give him some type of grace period.

Im sure anyone would have done what he did in that situation.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Life is a series of decissions and as an adult, one has to live with the results of those decissions.

Your employee made his, now he has to live with it.

(If he had given you notice, I probably would have hired him back, as it is, with him leaving you you high and dry, I wouldn't rehire him.)

 

[theogt]

I'll betcha' it would be a higher road than what a lawyer would do.

Weren't you the guy claiming you made people you worked with give you sexual favors in order to get their drinks faster?

 

[Four]

companies fire without 2 weeks notice, screw that meaning anything anymore.

You never let a good employee walk if you can help it.

 

[theogt]

companies fire without 2 weeks notice, screw that meaning anything anymore.

You never let a good employee walk if you can help it.

If you literally get fired you should have had notice when you did whatever it was that you did to get fired.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

If I were you, I would request that he let you kick him in the package. After said ceremony, you could let him walk and tell him that you wanted him to know what the next twenty years of his life were going to feel like without your expert stewardship.

 

[lewpac]

With regard to the two-week notice thing..............yeah, that hit me a little hard. But I gave it a pass for two reasons: He is a great guy and was a loyal, model employee who had my back 100% for five years. Second, I believed him when he told me that HE was "short noticed" about the other job. He was made the offer and told to either start tomorrow or the door would be shut. So I justified THAT by blaming his new employer for putting him in that position. He made the decision, yeah. But I didn't want to pile on and make him feel worse than he already felt.

I wasn't going to let five years of excellence be totally demolished or deminished by a blip-bad deal at the end. He had to do what he had to do. His wife is unexpectantly pregnant again, and times are tough all over. People sometimes do things they otherwise wouldn't normally do in extrordinary financial times.

Anyone staring down the barrel of going from $30.00 an hr. to over $40.00 an hr.............................their capable of almost anything in this economy.

BTW, I'm a contractor. This guy was my top painter and ran the painting crew. So to make a sideways or lateral move over to another shop was probably easy for him with regard to skills and work load.

The only carry-over for me, should he come back someday, is my reservations NOW about putting him back into a leadership role. If he was just another painter, I could replace him pretty easy. But the guy who had all the keys and specifications and programs.....................he new more than I did about the paint shop. And to just walk away w/o any notice, that's the part that's hard to accept for me. It's gonna take me all month to get his successor up to snuff about everything he knew and did for me.

As much as I like the guy, he HAS SHOWN ME that he's capable of digging out w/o notice, and that presents problems. Also, someone mentioned that when folks get fired, theres usually no notice. I agree with that sentiment, and that's another reason why I'm not going to hold it against this guy forever.

 

[Four]

If you literally get fired you should have had notice when you did whatever it was that you did to get fired.

not when management keeps it to themselves as per company policy and they hand you a check on friday and say "we don't need you back"

I had to do that to a couple hundred people who were laid off without notice.

The core group that worked for me I let know the week before because it seemed like the wrong thing to do to them not to. After I handed out the last check and the paper work my boss called me in and did the same to me because one of my people ratted me out.

So yes it does happen, and it made me hate corporate america with a passion.

 

[theogt]

not when management keeps it to themselves as per company policy and they hand you a check on friday and say "we don't need you back"

I had to do that to a couple hundred people who were laid off without notice.

The core group that worked for me I let know the week before because it seemed like the wrong thing to do to them not to. After I handed out the last check and the paper work my boss called me in and did the same to me because one of my people ratted me out.

So yes it does happen, and it made me hate corporate america with a passion.

Laid off != fired

 

[Four]

tell me the difference?

no job is no job, firing is the same thing, it's a myth there is a difference.

The company let them go for their bottom line, which is why people get fired when it gets right down to it.

and irregardless of your opinions about the other people, I was fired with zero notice, and never saw it coming. Ineligible for rehire and ultimately forced me back to school because of that black eye.

 

[lewpac]

From the management/owner point of view, the company line is that if you announce to an employee his termination date in advance, then you'll be paying him from that point on for little or no production.

If a guy knows on August 1st that his last day of work will be August 15th, you're going to have a "lame duck" thing going on with this guy for the next two weeks.

Think about this issue in terms of the NFL and free agency too. Most people call the players all spoiled and rich, gauranteed contracts, over paid, etc.........But I don't hear alot about the teams and the GM's being creeps when a guy gets cut after a decade of "loyalty" to any one team. I can't tell you how many times I've thought "whatever happened to that guy", then find out he got cut a year or two ago and is now selling insurance or coaching a HS team in his home town.

I too have been "cut loose" w/o notice as well. That's not uncommon in construction, as it is such a fluid and "hot & cold" racket. You cannot gaurantee work, workload, etc............from one year to another. It's a highly cyclical industry. I keep that in mind as an employer......

 

[theogt]

tell me the difference?

no job is no job, firing is the same thing, it's a myth there is a difference.

The company let them go for their bottom line, which is why people get fired when it gets right down to it.

and irregardless of your opinions about the other people, I was fired with zero notice, and never saw it coming. Ineligible for rehire and ultimately forced me back to school because of that black eye.

How does someone your age not know the difference between a layoff and a firing?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

How does someone your age not know the difference between a layoff and a firing?

He was too fixated on the "Laid" part.

 

[Four]

How does someone your age not know the difference between a layoff and a firing?

because I don't think there is a difference, I know the definition as it applies, my position is that the difference is nothing more than double talk so it sounds better.

if you screw up you get fired, if the company screws up you get laid off.

big whoop, no difference except in where the ineptitude lies.

 

[Four]

From the management/owner point of view, the company line is that if you announce to an employee his termination date in advance, then you'll be paying him from that point on for little or no production.

If a guy knows on August 1st that his last day of work will be August 15th, you're going to have a "lame duck" thing going on with this guy for the next two weeks.

Think about this issue in terms of the NFL and free agency too. Most people call the players all spoiled and rich, gauranteed contracts, over paid, etc.........But I don't hear alot about the teams and the GM's being creeps when a guy gets cut after a decade of "loyalty" to any one team. I can't tell you how many times I've thought "whatever happened to that guy", then find out he got cut a year or two ago and is now selling insurance or coaching a HS team in his home town.

I too have been "cut loose" w/o notice as well. That's not uncommon in construction, as it is such a fluid and "hot & cold" racket. You cannot gaurantee work, workload, etc............from one year to another. It's a highly cyclical industry. I keep that in mind as an employer......

a proper manager can overcome the lame duck issue.

I can't stomach people with kids and houses and cars to pay for getting floored with being laid off or fired. Morally it isn't right, and it's a fundamental flaw with the company line.

I am too nice for corporate america and sales, I had to find it out the hard way.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Hire him back, then fire him as he is leaving on the first day. This way, he quits his new job, then gets canned without notice just like he did you! :laugh2:

 

[CATCH17]

So are you going to hire him back or not?

 

[DallasCowpoke]

LOL @ a contractor raggin' on lawyers for being dishonest and unscrupulous.

THAT'S rich!!!

 

[xWraithx]

Hire him back, then fire him as he is leaving on the first day. This way, he quits his new job, then gets canned without notice just like he did you! :laugh2:

:laugh2: that'd be hilarious