Myth of Jerry Jones in the draft.
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Maxmadden;2685440 said:
You beat me to it.
Was he not the owner when we made the Walker trade with Minn?
speedkilz88
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Traded up to the #1 overall pick for Raghib Ismail only for him to sign with Toronto Argonauts. They drafted Russell Maryland instead.
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"'Don't forget the scouts"
Owners should think twice about giving head coaches too much power
By Joel Buchsbaum, Pro Football Weekly, Aug. 30, 2002
The league is undergoing a trend now where many owners stop appreciating the personnel departments and make the coaches the superstars.
This originally started in Dallas with Jimmy Johnson, where Johnson got the reputation as a brilliant personnel man.
In part, he deserved those accolades, but Dallas also had a brilliant scouting staff led by Dick Mansperger, with people such as Jeff Smith and Bob Ackles assisting.
The reason the Cowboys dropped off - although it took a few years - was because they did a poor job of drafting and trading after they dismantled key portions of the scouting staff.
Mansperger was one of the best and most unheralded scouting directors in the NFL.
Smith was also a yeoman's scout, and Ackles was a brilliant organizer, and front-office man, who played a key role in the Herschel Walker steal.
Without all these men, Cowboys president Jerry Jones and his son tried to do too many things themselves and as a result, the Cowboys had some disastrous trades, in combination with some poor drafts.
At times, they traded up for players that they could've gotten a round later and they were also picking up players that no one else wanted and paying exorbitant prices for players.
To give you an example of the contrast, in 1989, when Johnson took over shortly before the draft and relied heavily on the material Mansperger and his scouts supplied, the Cowboys drafted QB Troy Aikman in the first round, FB Daryl Johnston in the second round, C Mark Stepnoski in the third round and DE Tony Tolbert in the fourth round.
They also would've taken DL Marvin Washington in the fifth round, except Johnson overruled and took a player from Florida, DL Jeff Roth, whom he had faced when he coached Miami.
One year later, Dallas got RB Emmitt Smith, WR Alexander Wright, DB Kenny Gant and DT Jimmie Jones.
The following years, in 1991 and '92, they got DT Russell Maryland, WR Alvin Harper, LB Dixon Edwards, LB Godfrey Myles, OT Erik Williams, DT Leon Lett, CB Larry Brown, CB Kevin Smith, LB Robert Jones, WR Jimmy Smith and S Darren Woodson.
By 1993, a good portion of the scouting staff had been dismantled.
In '94, with Jones running the draft, Dallas traded up in the first round to select Arizona State DE Shante Carver, who most teams regarded as a late second-round pick.
In '95, Jones traded his first-round pick for two second-round picks, then wound up taking RB Sherman Williams, TE Kendell Watkins and OG Shane Hannah in the second round.
A year later, once again, he traded out of the first round, and the only players he had to show out of that draft were DE Kavika Pittman and LB Randall Godfrey.
In '97, he traded up for TE David LaFleur.
By '98, Jones started to give the scouts more input and had Larry Lacewell in charge of the draft.
The reason why the Cowboys are nearly a contending team now is because they drafted quality players like DE Greg Ellis, OT Flozell Adams, DL Michael Myers, DE Ebenezer Ekuban, OT Solomon Page, LB Dat Nguyen, OL Kelvin Garmon, CB Mario Edwards, S Roy Williams and OG-C Andre Gurode.
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BTW, Jerry fired the three principal guys above, plus the fine John Wooten, right after the Boy's first JJ era SB win, in Feb. or March, before the 1993 draft. Why not fire them? The top guys in their craft, who happened to be on the Cowboys staff, were merely petty functionaries, according to Jerry, and Jerry and Jimmy were geniuses, and could run the draft better than any professional staff ...
My take: apparently Joel Buschbaum didn't discover the evil soul-sucker Lacewell's shortcomings. He gave him too much credit. as Joel died in 2002, without reevaluation of Lacewell, the guy who killed the Boys as head pro and college scout until 2004.
Adding insult to injury, Lacewell popped up, early in 2007 when BP left ... Lace was "rehabilitated" as the old Chinese leaders used to be. He was suddenly in Jerry's ear, hanging around VR, which he couldn't do with Parcells, who recognized him as a fraud, and banished him during his stay here. Right after BP left, Lacewell showed up and told every media member in the building that Parcells was an ****** and stupid too, and he was glad that he's gone.
Lacewell's quote last year was something like, "well, I'm the devil here, and the reason why we failed, with all my bad drafts, ha ha" ... Man I just choked up my No. 8 Tex-Mex platter at Herreras after hearing this. Larry was being sarcastically down on himself, where in reality, he WAS head of the Jerry draft/personnel world for 15 freaking years ... never mind it was a staff that had fewer scouts than most teams in the NFL because Jerry was always paring the "underlings" .... and Lacewell WAS in charge of the Boys' personnel staff, much less talent, and should have said something if he had bad resources ... but no, he was on the way to almost 15 years of miserable decisions ..
Owners should think twice about giving head coaches too much power
By Joel Buchsbaum, Pro Football Weekly, Aug. 30, 2002
The league is undergoing a trend now where many owners stop appreciating the personnel departments and make the coaches the superstars.
This originally started in Dallas with Jimmy Johnson, where Johnson got the reputation as a brilliant personnel man.
In part, he deserved those accolades, but Dallas also had a brilliant scouting staff led by Dick Mansperger, with people such as Jeff Smith and Bob Ackles assisting.
The reason the Cowboys dropped off - although it took a few years - was because they did a poor job of drafting and trading after they dismantled key portions of the scouting staff.
Mansperger was one of the best and most unheralded scouting directors in the NFL.
Smith was also a yeoman's scout, and Ackles was a brilliant organizer, and front-office man, who played a key role in the Herschel Walker steal.
Without all these men, Cowboys president Jerry Jones and his son tried to do too many things themselves and as a result, the Cowboys had some disastrous trades, in combination with some poor drafts.
At times, they traded up for players that they could've gotten a round later and they were also picking up players that no one else wanted and paying exorbitant prices for players.
To give you an example of the contrast, in 1989, when Johnson took over shortly before the draft and relied heavily on the material Mansperger and his scouts supplied, the Cowboys drafted QB Troy Aikman in the first round, FB Daryl Johnston in the second round, C Mark Stepnoski in the third round and DE Tony Tolbert in the fourth round.
They also would've taken DL Marvin Washington in the fifth round, except Johnson overruled and took a player from Florida, DL Jeff Roth, whom he had faced when he coached Miami.
One year later, Dallas got RB Emmitt Smith, WR Alexander Wright, DB Kenny Gant and DT Jimmie Jones.
The following years, in 1991 and '92, they got DT Russell Maryland, WR Alvin Harper, LB Dixon Edwards, LB Godfrey Myles, OT Erik Williams, DT Leon Lett, CB Larry Brown, CB Kevin Smith, LB Robert Jones, WR Jimmy Smith and S Darren Woodson.
By 1993, a good portion of the scouting staff had been dismantled.
In '94, with Jones running the draft, Dallas traded up in the first round to select Arizona State DE Shante Carver, who most teams regarded as a late second-round pick.
In '95, Jones traded his first-round pick for two second-round picks, then wound up taking RB Sherman Williams, TE Kendell Watkins and OG Shane Hannah in the second round.
A year later, once again, he traded out of the first round, and the only players he had to show out of that draft were DE Kavika Pittman and LB Randall Godfrey.
In '97, he traded up for TE David LaFleur.
By '98, Jones started to give the scouts more input and had Larry Lacewell in charge of the draft.
The reason why the Cowboys are nearly a contending team now is because they drafted quality players like DE Greg Ellis, OT Flozell Adams, DL Michael Myers, DE Ebenezer Ekuban, OT Solomon Page, LB Dat Nguyen, OL Kelvin Garmon, CB Mario Edwards, S Roy Williams and OG-C Andre Gurode.
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(HALT@! Poster here:
BTW, Jerry fired the three principal guys above, plus the fine John Wooten, right after the Boy's first JJ era SB win, in Feb. or March, before the 1993 draft. Why not fire them? The top guys in their craft, who happened to be on the Cowboys staff, were merely petty functionaries, according to Jerry, and Jerry and Jimmy were geniuses, and could run the draft better than any professional staff ...
My take: apparently Joel Buschbaum didn't discover the evil soul-sucker Lacewell's shortcomings. He gave him too much credit. as Joel died in 2002, without reevaluation of Lacewell, the guy who killed the Boys as head pro and college scout until 2004.
Adding insult to injury, Lacewell popped up, early in 2007 when BP left ... Lace was "rehabilitated" as the old Chinese leaders used to be. He was suddenly in Jerry's ear, hanging around VR, which he couldn't do with Parcells, who recognized him as a fraud, and banished him during his stay here. Right after BP left, Lacewell showed up and told every media member in the building that Parcells was an ****** and stupid too, and he was glad that he's gone.
Lacewell's quote last year was something like, "well, I'm the devil here, and the reason why we failed, with all my bad drafts, ha ha" ... Man I just choked up my No. 8 Tex-Mex platter at Herreras after hearing this. Larry was being sarcastically down on himself, where in reality, he WAS head of the Jerry draft/personnel world for 15 freaking years ... never mind it was a staff that had fewer scouts than most teams in the NFL because Jerry was always paring the "underlings" .... and Lacewell WAS in charge of the Boys' personnel staff, much less talent, and should have said something if he had bad resources ... but no, he was on the way to almost 15 years of miserable decisions ..
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Q_the_man;2685183 said:
And if he did ever trade up to make a big splash....people will complain and whine why he didn't trade down to get a player and more picks.
No matter what JJ does, 98% will be critical of his / coaching staff/ scouting staff moves.
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jazzcat22;2685542 said:
All I can say is I'm SOOOOOOO glad he didn't give up the farm to draft Mcfadden last year.
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Speedkilz mentioned the one i was gonna say. 1991, trading up to #1 overall and taking russell mayland!
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Q_the_man;2685183 said:
I think the situation is much different this year with as many picks as we have but none in the 1st I would not be surprised to see Jones try and make a move to get a higher pick in the 2nd or make a deal to get an extra 2nd rd pick. Before you can make a blanket statement you need to at least look at the overall scenario in past drafts to this draft.