Name me a realistic draft prospect who would have more of an impact than what Hyatt would bring to this team

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This guy just abuses DBs. Consistently 5 yards behind the corner. To me it's an easy decision if Hyatt is there at 26.

I like Hyatt more than most of the draft media but to say he is obviously the best pick at #26 is far from true.

  • Pro
    • Fast
    • Decent height.
    • Good hands.
    • Competitive alpha type player.
  • Con
    • Thin build at 6-0, 176.
    • Rarely ever faced press coverage.
    • Minimal route tree in college.
    • DBs often played way off the line against him.
    • Not a lot of contested catches.
    • Only had good production in final college season.
    • i.e. Why was he a one hit wonder?
 

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This guy just abuses DBs. Consistently 5 yards behind the corner. To me it's an easy decision if Hyatt is there at 26.

Yes, very easy decision… don’t take one year wonder receivers in the first. Rather simple!
 

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I think there are other players, more explosive players potentially, that I would draft at 26 but I think some of the Hyatt criticism warrants defending. I was going to start by stating my thoughts on this route tree nonsense, but the following link takes a deeper dive with added data. I also find it relative as Hyatt is specifically cited in the article.

Route Tree Study

We seem to question the athletic ability of receivers to get open when they thrive by frequently making the contested catch, but now with Hyatt we’re questioning his ability to catch the 50/50 ball due to his capacity to create separation? Really? Hyatt made both Bama safeties (Top 5 rated at the position by some) look like D-II tryhards this season. In fairness, a counter could be made that Heupel masterminded a receiver friendly offense that lends itself to inflated WR statistics and I would say there is some validity to that. However, the players still had to make the plays.

A big piece of his newfound success this season may have been attributed to the hard work he put in during the 2022 offseason. Heupel will tell anyone who will listen about Hyatt adding 15 lbs. of muscle while dedicating himself to working hard to be a great player vs. wanting to be a great player. When speaking in terms of growth of Hyatt, Heupel had the following to say:

“Jalin’s made a huge jump. Different mindset, different focus — because of that, different work habits, unbelievable offseason, strength and conditioning before we got to competing on the grass. He’s continuing to get better."

“I’m planning to put the football in his hands, he’s become a much more physical football player since he’s changed his body. Those two things go together hand-in-hand in gaining confidence, and that shows up in the way he’s played.”

Perhaps those comments describing a youngin maturing physically and mentally may squelch not all, but some of you concerns regarding the feared one hit wonder draft pick. If that doesn’t do it for you, I know the lions share of this group hangs on the rankings of one Dane Brugler. Someone reported him (Hyatt) being ranked 27th (I did not confirm this – hope it’s true) and that’s not too shabby.
 

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What worries me about Hyatt, is I don't think his 4.40 40 is fast enough.

If you look at the 170, 180 lb lid lifters who've succeeded in the NFL just off of go-route speed, those guys run low 4.3s

Some names off my head

DeSean Jackson: 4.35 40
Will Fuller: 4.32 40
Mike Wallace: 4.28 40
TY Hilton: 4.34 40 (he was a pretty complete receiver in his day, though)
Hollywood Brown: no Combine time, but he ran a 4.32 at juco for whatever that's worth.

Feel free to suggest other names, cause that's the furthest thing from an exhaustive list.

More thorough studies than that have shown that size-speed ratio translates for receivers, and Hyatt's 4.40 at 176 is actually pretty pedestrian by NFL standards. That's a 93 speed score, where 90-100 is like the middle of the road. If your stock in trade is speed, you need more of it than that.
 

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What worries me about Hyatt, is I don't think his 4.40 40 is fast enough.

If you look at the 170, 180 lb lid lifters who've succeeded in the NFL just off of go-route speed, those guys run low 4.3s

Some names off my head

DeSean Jackson: 4.35 40
Will Fuller: 4.32 40
Mike Wallace: 4.28 40
TY Hilton: 4.34 40 (he was a pretty complete receiver in his day, though)
Hollywood Brown: no Combine time, but he ran a 4.32 at juco for whatever that's worth.

Feel free to suggest other names, cause that's the furthest thing from an exhaustive list.

More thorough studies than that have shown that size-speed ratio translates for receivers, and Hyatt's 4.40 at 176 is actually pretty pedestrian by NFL standards. That's a 93 speed score, where 90-100 is like the middle of the road. If your stock in trade is speed, you need more of it than that.
Why is he being pigeon-holed as a guy looking be successful off just go-route speed as you stated? Did Dane tell us that's all he can do?
How'd that blazing speed work out for Will Fuller? He had over 50 receptions what, once?
How does weight play into the studies you're referring to cuz John Ross fits the height window and his speed is out of the this world but he absolutely sucks. Maybe it's the extra 10 lbs. he's carrying.
Track speed and football speed are two separate animals. Jerry Rice couldn't break 4.7 yet people couldn't catch him.
 

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This guy just abuses DBs. Consistently 5 yards behind the corner. To me it's an easy decision if Hyatt is there at 26.

We got Lamb, Gallup, and Cooks...........plus our 3rd round pick from last year.

We dont need to burn a 1st round pick on yet another WR who will be #4 on the depth chart.

OL, TE, RB, or DT would help the team out way more than another WR in my opinion.
 

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I like Hyatt more than most of the draft media but to say he is obviously the best pick at #26 is far from true.

  • Pro
    • Fast
    • Decent height.
    • Good hands.
    • Competitive alpha type player.
  • Con
    • Thin build at 6-0, 176.
    • Rarely ever faced press coverage.
    • Minimal route tree in college.
    • DBs often played way off the line against him.
    • Not a lot of contested catches.
    • Only had good production in final college season.
    • i.e. Why was he a one hit wonder?
Understood I just feel like he is gonna impact the league like D Jax did and every team that passes on him is gonna wish they had this deep threat playmaker.
 

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We got Lamb, Gallup, and Cooks...........plus our 3rd round pick from last year.

We dont need to burn a 1st round pick on yet another WR who will be #4 on the depth chart.

OL, TE, RB, or DT would help the team out way more than another WR in my opinion.
That's very short minded. Hyatt could help this team out way more than an OG or a TE.
 

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What worries me about Hyatt, is I don't think his 4.40 40 is fast enough.

If you look at the 170, 180 lb lid lifters who've succeeded in the NFL just off of go-route speed, those guys run low 4.3s

Some names off my head

DeSean Jackson: 4.35 40
Will Fuller: 4.32 40
Mike Wallace: 4.28 40
TY Hilton: 4.34 40 (he was a pretty complete receiver in his day, though)
Hollywood Brown: no Combine time, but he ran a 4.32 at juco for whatever that's worth.

Feel free to suggest other names, cause that's the furthest thing from an exhaustive list.

More thorough studies than that have shown that size-speed ratio translates for receivers, and Hyatt's 4.40 at 176 is actually pretty pedestrian by NFL standards. That's a 93 speed score, where 90-100 is like the middle of the road. If your stock in trade is speed, you need more of it than that.
True, but holy cow his film is insane.

I know the TN O spaced guys out and created open running lanes but I don’t think it’s a fluke he was blowing by people every game in the SEC.
 

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At best Hyatt would be the 4th WR this season and probably next as well. I like Hyatt think he has the potential to be a healthy Will Fuller. Think if we go Torrance or Avila they will have a bigger impact. Any RB in the 2nd or 3rd will have a bigger impact. If we go DT (Benton or Smith) they will have a bigger impact. Basically you have to be on the field to make an impact and I don’t think Hyatt would see much playing time entering the league.
 

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It's a good debate for now with many (based on this thread) perspectives to be had. We're probably all wrong! :huh:

Over 50 responses and I don't recall seeing anyone take the side of a DB from Maryland that could come in here and see the field due to injury, collect 5 picks, and make a game-saving pass deflection that puts the Cowboys in the playoffs. Who knows.
 

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That's very short minded. Hyatt could help this team out way more than an OG or a TE.
I disagree my friend, you could draft somebody like O'Cyrus or Avalia and he could be your LG for the next 10 years.

I dont see how that is being short minded, it is actually the opposite, thinking long term.
 

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What if at 26 the following where all available..
Jahmyr Gibbs
Devon Witherspoon
Tyrique Stevenson
Jordan Addison
Michael Mayer
Dalton Kincaid
Nolan Smith
O'Cyrus Torrence
Who would you take?
 

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What if at 26 the following where all available..
Jahmyr Gibbs
Devon Witherspoon
Tyrique Stevenson
Jordan Addison
Michael Mayer
Dalton Kincaid
Nolan Smith
O'Cyrus Torrence
Who would you take?
Haha, seriously? Super easy… Witherspoon 100%. By a mile. Then Nolan Smith. Then I’d have Gibbs, Kincaid and Mayer all pretty close. Then Addison. And I don’t see Stevenson or Torrence as someone I’d want to take in the first. Although I don’t hate Torrence… I just see him as not a first rounder for Dallas in its offense.

Spoon won’t make it anywhere near Dallas’ pick though. That guy is blue chip all the way.
 

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What worries me about Hyatt, is I don't think his 4.40 40 is fast enough.

If you look at the 170, 180 lb lid lifters who've succeeded in the NFL just off of go-route speed, those guys run low 4.3s

Some names off my head

DeSean Jackson: 4.35 40
Will Fuller: 4.32 40
Mike Wallace: 4.28 40
TY Hilton: 4.34 40 (he was a pretty complete receiver in his day, though)
Hollywood Brown: no Combine time, but he ran a 4.32 at juco for whatever that's worth.

Feel free to suggest other names, cause that's the furthest thing from an exhaustive list.

More thorough studies than that have shown that size-speed ratio translates for receivers, and Hyatt's 4.40 at 176 is actually pretty pedestrian by NFL standards. That's a 93 speed score, where 90-100 is like the middle of the road. If your stock in trade is speed, you need more of it than that.
Nothing is wrong with a 4.4 40 yard time in shorts. Now go watch his tape actually blowing by CBs with ridiculous separation.
 
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