Name that Quarterback

[skinsscalper]

The 1000+ yard runners were in 1984, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1995-98. The 4 from 95-98 were Terrell Davis. The point is that Elway didn't win a thing on his own but ONLY when he had a solid running game (i.e Davis). They did make it to the SB in '86 & '87 without a 1000+ RB but one was a strike year and the other one ('86) is the only one where Elway really made a name for himself with two come from behind wins in the playoffs, including "The Drive" against the Browns. Needless to say, they lost badly to the Giants in the SB. In '87 they had just under 2000 yards rushing and were crushed by the Commanders in the SB.


Both Watson and Miller were better than Crayton. Let's not forget that in 2007 Romo was the runner up to Brady for MVP and took this team to a 13-3 record! The loss to the Giants in the playoffs was not at all his fault so it's not like he had a great season then choked when it came down to it. Also, Glenn was out for almost all of that season anyway so you really can't count him.

Steve Watson was a multiple 1000+ yard receiver and made the Pro-Bowl in 1981, that was before Elway got there. Watson gained more yards in '83 & '84 than Owens did last year.

Miller was also a multiple 1000+ receiver and went to 5 Pro-Bowls. Don't judge him by what he did when he was in Dallas, he was considered one of the top WRs before that.


Yes we had 13 Pro-Bowlers in 2007 and Romo had a HUGE year as I said before. What's your point? That Romo didn't win the SB that year? As has already been pointed out the loss to the Giants was NOT Romo's fault.

The Broncos also went 13-3 in Elway's second season as a starter and they lost in the first round, just like the Cowboys did in 2007. See any similarities or are you still blinded by your agenda?



Tell me, how did the Cowboys play without Romo this past season? How many times did Elway win a SB without Terrell Davis?

Also, you are forgetting what my post was about, comparing Romo with Elway's first 3 years, not his entire career. Is this too difficult a concept for you or something?



That's just silly and not at all what the post was about. You're not really that dumb are you? Nah, I didn't think so.



No actually the stats are very accurate in this instance and the comparison is quite good with Elway's first 3 seasons. If you were not blinded by your agenda regarding Romo or your only being able to remember what Elway accomplished in his final two seasons, then you could perhaps see that.


If you think that it is only Kool-Aid that makes someone believe that what Romo has done he has actually done... then I guess you should root for another team or something. The stats prove what he has accomplished and have proved my case in each of the points you brought up. All you have is opinion while I presented verifiable facts, yet you think I'm the one drinking the Kool-Aid.

Whatever dude.

You're comparing Elway to Romo and you say I HAVE AN AGENDA. Riight. Throw all the facts uo there ya want. The only fact that reallly matters at this point is that Romo hasn't won a play-off game. I stated in a previous post that it wasn't all on Romo. You can pick and choose all you want. I also pointed out that Elway had the ability to rise to the occassion and carry his team when it really matters. Romo hasn't shown that. He's shown flashes, no doubt. The Buffalo game comes to mind (however, it was his horrible performance in the first half that required heroics to begin with).

You can take your root for another team rah rah game and cram it up your ***, there, dude. I'm not sure who elected you the team cheerleader and final voice of fandom, but don't weep when you're deemed irrelevant in the capacity when the only angle you can see is veiled in homerism.

You can throw up all the stats you want to about what he's accomplished. I could care less. All I care about is what he HASN'T accomplished. That's a successful post season (ANY LEVEL of success in the post season). Just because I don't see Romo in the Pollyanna sense that you do doesn't mean that I don't want him to succeed. I PRAY he succeeds! I'm just not ready to induct him into the Hall of Fame yet. And I sure the hell am not going to give any validity to an argument that he's on par with of one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.

Post all the stats you want and pretend that it makes Romo the same type of QB that Elway is. It's your dream.

 

[skinsscalper]

John led his team to 4 Super Bowls during his tenure. Giants (loss) Commanders (blowout loss) Packers (close win) Falcons (blowout win)

The last two Super Bowls he had all the weapons. A very nice running game with Terrell Davis and a stout offensive line. Arguably the best TE to ever lace up the cleets in Shannon Sharpe, and a nice compliment at WR in Rod Smith. Not to mention that Super Bowl team that faced the Falcons had one of the best defensive teams in the league that year.

All the pieces were there for Elway to succeed in those last two Super Bowls.

One could argue that Romo was in a similar position the past two seasons.

 

[Zaxor]

If anyone has a tape of the Green Bay game from last year in the 4th quarter John Madden says to Al Michaels...there have been very few quarterbacks ever in this league that can do some of the things that Romo does...

think about it

 

[skinsscalper]

If anyone has a tape of the Green Bay game from last year in the 4th quarter John Madden says to Al Michaels...there have been very few quarterbacks ever in this league that can do some of the things that Romo does...

think about it

I agree, believe it or not. Sometimes the things Romo does just makes you say "Wow!" The guy is fun to watch, no doubt about it. He's also a little like Favre (Elway, too for that matter) in the sense that sometimes when he's trying make those plays you end up saying "OH NO!" The "Oh noes" were far too frequent this year. Romo is going to have success in the league. Ray Charles could see that. It's not even so much of a question of "if" as it is "when". Once he learns to protect the ball better he will be amazing. Until then he's going to be perceived as "Oh no Romo". Fair or not that's the reality.

 

[CF74]

One thing that comes to mind in regards to Romo and Elway is that they both lost games they should have won had the receivers actually caught key passes throughout the games. The three amigos were no shows in the Super Bowl losses..

 

[THUMPER]

One thing that comes to mind in regards to Romo and Elway is that they both lost games they should have won had the receivers actually caught key passes throughout the games. The three amigos were no shows in the Super Bowl losses..

Yep, that's why blaming the QB for losses like that is not right.

You know, if Dwight Clark doesn't catch that pass in 1981 Montana would have been considered a choker. He threw 3 INTs in that game and would have been blamed for losing it. Danny White gets the blame even though he had a great game and if not for a fingertip tackle on Drew Pearson we would have been at least in FG range, if he didn't go all the way, and a trip to the SB. But White is sacked and fumbles so HE lost the game somehow.

How people blame Romo for losing the Seattle game is beyond me. That FG would not likely have won the game anyway and he actually had a good chance of scoring a TD on that busted play if not for our inept kicker who was too small and wimpy to get in front of the defender.

 

[skicat1898]

At the same point in their careers (first 3 years) Romo didn't have a QB rating to compare to Elway....

I do not know the numbers, but a more accurate comparison would be after the first 6 seasons.

I will add this, by Elway's 4th season, he and the Broncos went to the Super Bowl,, lost,, but did get there.

 

[THUMPER]

At the same point in their careers (first 3 years) Romo didn't have a QB rating to compare to Elway....

No he doesn't does he, it is 25 points higher than Elway's!
Romo = 94.7
Elway = 79.9

I do not know the numbers, but a more accurate comparison would be after the first 6 seasons.

That would be an impossible comparison at this point since Romo hasn't played 6 seasons yet. He has been in the league but didn't play for the first couple of years. As I pointed out in an earlier post, Elway came into the league ready to start, Romo didn't.

I will add this, by Elway's 4th season, he and the Broncos went to the Super Bowl,, lost,, but did get there.

That's true, so we'll see what Romo does this coming year.

My point in starting this thread was not to say that Romo was as good or better than John Elway but to show that if people had judged Elway the way they are judging Romo he would never have gotten the chance to be great. His stats after the same number of games were lower than Romo's and their accomplishments were virtually the same. That's all.

 

[EPL0c0]

I decided to do a little research and find out who Tony Romo most resembles in terms of stats for his career so far, including playoffs and I found one but you have to figure out, or guess, who it is. This would be for their first 3 years as a starter:

Romo - 41 games, 27/14 Win% 65.9, 866 Comp, 1372 Att, 63.12%, 10952 Yards, 7.98 Avg, 83 TDs, 6.05%, 47 INTs, 3.43%, 71 Sacks, 458 Yds, 34 Fum, 12 FL, QB Rating: 93.84 - Playoff record: 0-2

QB "X" - 42 games, 27/15 Win% 64.3, 693 Comp, 1296 Att, 53.47%, 8459 Yards, 6.53 Avg, 49 TDs, 3.78%, 55 INTs, 4.24%, 94 Sacks, 720 Yds, 28 Fum, 18 FL, QB Rating: 68.76 - Playoff record: 0-2

OK, so who is QB "X"?

I knew it wasn't this guy but if you're trying to rank Romo compared to other great QBs of the NFL, here's a guy I think personally sucks:

Donovan McNabb - 42 games, 26-16 Win% 61.5, 803 Comp, 1096 Att, 73.26%, 8349 Yards, 62 TDs, 36 INTs, 121 sacks, 25 Fum, 14 FL, QB Rating: 100.04 - Playoff record: 3-2

At least McNabb has had a chance to choke in a conference championship game by this time...Romo's not quite to that level yet. Put the annointing oil away for now

 

[jimmy40]

No he doesn't does he, it is 25 points higher than Elway's!
Romo = 94.7
Elway = 79.9



That would be an impossible comparison at this point since Romo hasn't played 6 seasons yet. He has been in the league but didn't play for the first couple of years. As I pointed out in an earlier post, Elway came into the league ready to start, Romo didn't.


That's true, so we'll see what Romo does this coming year.

My point in starting this thread was not to say that Romo was as good or better than John Elway but to show that if people had judged Elway the way they are judging Romo he would never have gotten the chance to be great. His stats after the same number of games were lower than Romo's and their accomplishments were virtually the same. That's all.

How good would John Elway have been his first three years of starting if he had the opportunity to sit and learn for 3 years first? Especially from a coach like Parcells? Romo had an unbelievable advantage over Elway for their first 3 years of starting. Stupid comparison.

 

[THUMPER]

How good would John Elway have been his first three years of starting if he had the opportunity to sit and learn for 3 years first? Especially from a coach like Parcells? Romo had an unbelievable advantage over Elway for their first 3 years of starting. Stupid comparison.

Elway didn't need to sit for 3 years, he was already well prepared to start in the NFL. In fact, he was probably the best prepared QB to come out of college in the last 40 years. Stupid statement.

If Romo could have had a father who was a college coach and gone to a big time program like Stanford and played in a pro system for 4 years like Elway did, he would have had a HUGE advantage.

Do you people even watch the NFL?

 

[THUMPER]

I knew it wasn't this guy but if you're trying to rank Romo compared to other great QBs of the NFL, here's a guy I think personally sucks:

Donovan McNabb - 42 games, 26-16 Win% 61.5, 803 Comp, 1096 Att, 73.26%, 8349 Yards, 62 TDs, 36 INTs, 121 sacks, 25 Fum, 14 FL, QB Rating: 100.04 - Playoff record: 3-2

At least McNabb has had a chance to choke in a conference championship game by this time...Romo's not quite to that level yet. Put the annointing oil away for now

Let me say it again for those who are having a hard time comprehending...

My point in starting this thread was not to say that Romo was as good or better than John Elway but to show that if people had judged Elway the way they are judging Romo he would never have gotten the chance to be great. His stats after the same number of games were lower than Romo's and their accomplishments were virtually the same. That's all.

 

[jterrell]

I knew it wasn't this guy but if you're trying to rank Romo compared to other great QBs of the NFL, here's a guy I think personally sucks:

Donovan McNabb - 42 games, 26-16 Win% 61.5, 803 Comp, 1096 Att, 73.26%, 8349 Yards, 62 TDs, 36 INTs, 121 sacks, 25 Fum, 14 FL, QB Rating: 100.04 - Playoff record: 3-2

At least McNabb has had a chance to choke in a conference championship game by this time...Romo's not quite to that level yet. Put the annointing oil away for now

McNabb has also had how many years??

If Romo was to be up and down and never win a Super Bowl in the next 5 or 6 years than a McNabb comparison may be apropos but it is much too early for that.

At the end of his 3rd season the highest QB rating McNabb had ever accrued was 84 and change. He has only bested a 90 QB rating twice in his entire career.

 

[jterrell]

How good would John Elway have been his first three years of starting if he had the opportunity to sit and learn for 3 years first? Especially from a coach like Parcells? Romo had an unbelievable advantage over Elway for their first 3 years of starting. Stupid comparison.

huh???
What QB has Parcells ever developed?

The bigger question is how many games might Dallas had won if they recognized day 1 Romo was light years better than those wastes of a uniform: Carter, Henson and Chutch???

It would have been far better to go 5-11 that first BP year with Romo taking his lumps and learning then to get fooled into the playoffs by a dopehead and have nothing behind him but a baseball playing Vegas crooner wannabe.

Sean Payton would have developed Romo had he lasted longer here but he didn't. Romo's mentors have changed a number of times in short order.

 

[skicat1898]

Thumper,,, Romo did not have a QB rating after his 3rd season in the NFL,,, he hadnt even thrown a pass in a regular season game. He was in his 4th season when he took over for Bledsoe. Elway had been to the Super Bowl at the end of his 4th.

I'm not bashing Romo, if he can learn to protect the ball, by the end of his career he may well be better than them all,,,, but he ain't yet.

 

[EPL0c0]

McNabb has also had how many years??

If Romo was to be up and down and never win a Super Bowl in the next 5 or 6 years than a McNabb comparison may be apropos but it is much too early for that.

At the end of his 3rd season the highest QB rating McNabb had ever accrued was 84 and change. He has only bested a 90 QB rating twice in his entire career.

Those were McNabb's stats after the first 42games of his career (6 in 99, 18 in 00, 18 in 01).