Name the HC's You'd Prefer to Parcells...
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Jimmeh
Bob Stoops
That's about it.
Bob Stoops
That's about it.
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They won Super Bowls didn't they? I thought Vermeil did an excellent job getting that offense going in KC when he first came in and same for Gruden in T.B. You can pick at every coach in their other coaching jobs after the SB. Jimmy in Miami, even though I think he did a great job on that defense. Holmgren took a long time to get things going in Seattle and Cowher has been with the Steelers for a long time with up and down results year to year.DipChit said:
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Here's another interesting part that could be added to the question:
Given that some people have listed Holmgren & Cowher--
How long would you give another HC to produce or else?
And, if you want to really make it interesting--how long if they had inherited the same team (& assistant coaches) that Parcells had? Would it be 3 & out? 4 & out?
Interesting that JJ couldn't produce the same results in Miami. Bad coaching job, or just different circumstances? Holmgren--this is the first year in 7 that he's even won a playoff game. Bad coaching, or building a team? And was it worth the wait, or should he have been canned 2 or 3 years ago? Would Dallas fans be willing to wait 7 years on one coach?
Cowher, Shanahan, Reid, Dungy, Schottenheimer--Playoffs often, but rarely to the Super Bowl (if ever). Bad coaching? Or is making the playoffs enough, even with loads of talent? Would you accept Reid's record? Or Cowher--2 Super Bowls in 14 years? Would that be ok in Dallas?
Untried college coach--Very few have ever made it in the NFL. How long do you give a coach who's made the jump? 3, 4, 7, 10? Suppose they do go with a young QB--& you end up with a Joey Harrington? Again, how long do you give a young QB? Peyton Manning still hasn't made a championship. Bad coaching, bad QBing? Would you demand that the coach or QB be dumped if they were with the Cowboys? (Hey, I'd argue that Michael Vick will never be a good QB. He's flashy & pulls in an audience, but is that enough? Or should he be cut & another one tried?) Yes, Weiss pulled off a feat with Notre Dame--but they lost their Bowl game. Willingham ended up getting fired for much the same. Saban? Looks promising. I'll point out that he hasn't solved the QB mystery yet, either--so much for the theory that a new coach goes with a rookie QB.
Same questions could be asked of former ACs--how long would you be willing to give one?
I'm not saying any of those coaches are worse, or better, than Parcells.
What fans need to decide is how long they're willing to give a coach. If you go with a revolving door, as so many teams do (& what so many here are demanding), then you will forever be "building" a team. Also, respectfully, one good year for a coach doesn't mean the next year will be. Schottenheimer was coach of the year candidate last year. Would you have demanded him be fired this year (& he wasn't playing Rivers, even when it was obvious the Chargers wouldn't make the playoffs--guess Parcells isn't the only coach who plays his vets). Yes, Gibbs had a good year this year. Think that will be repeated next year? Maybe, maybe not. I think it probably will be. (One reason--because Gibbs seems to have gotten the message of patience & not meddling across to Snyder, finally. Much like Parcells seems to have gotten that message across to Jerry.) I think the Cowboys will also have a good year next year. They're building, & it takes longer than people may like. They may not necessarily accomplish what many of you think they should this coming season--but you who want Holmgren, you should be willing to apply those standards to Parcells (7 years without a playoff win, remember?). Cowher had a miserable year 2 years ago--lots of people wanted him fired, said he'd been with the team too long. Earlier this year he was having a pretty crappy year. Holmgren was being written off at the end of last year--always choking when it counted. They both hit it pretty big this year. I think it was for 2 main reasons--they're both good coaches & they, along with ownership, were willing to take a long-term view & build their teams. They both now have teams that look like they could be contenders for a long time. I think the same is happening in Dallas--but it takes time. The crucial question, for any coach you think should be hired, is time. How much will you give him? If you're going to demand instant success--then you have to exclude Holmgren & Cowher. Neither had instant success (Cowher took 4 years to get to his first SB & 10 years since). By the standards of many here, they both should have been fired several years ago.
By the standards here of many, Jimmy Johnson should have been fired from the Dolphins. Holding him to your current standards--why would you take a failed coach from another team? With all due respect, I DON'T think Jimmy could repeat his initial success if he came back (& inherited the team Parcells initially had). He might be successful with the current team, but I really don't think he would have been able to accomplish any more than Parcells has in the past 3 years--having to get unfamiliar ACs (since most of his were elsewhere a few years ago), evaluate the players then with the team, accomodate Jerry in trying out CHutch & Q, deal with salary cap implications in cutting players, getting FAs, drafting, etc. He couldn't do it with the Dolphins--you think he'd accomplish it here, why? At least not in 3 years. Given time, yes. So, how much time would you give Jimmy Johnson?
It's also a question you're going to have to ask yourselves when the Cowboys DO get a new coach. Altho that coach will be fortunate--like him or not, Parcells has improved the current team & the next coach will inherit a team in much better shape (much like Belichick got pretty lucky with the team he inherited from Parcells & Carroll--hmmm, wonder how much success even Belichick would have had with the Cowboys team Parcells took over). So how much time will you give that coach? 7 years to get one playoff win? And if he does make it to the Super Bowl once, loses, & doesn't go back for 7-8-9 years, then what?
Why do I have a feeling those who are convinced any coach would be better than Parcells, would/will be demanding that coach's head?
Given that some people have listed Holmgren & Cowher--
How long would you give another HC to produce or else?
And, if you want to really make it interesting--how long if they had inherited the same team (& assistant coaches) that Parcells had? Would it be 3 & out? 4 & out?
Interesting that JJ couldn't produce the same results in Miami. Bad coaching job, or just different circumstances? Holmgren--this is the first year in 7 that he's even won a playoff game. Bad coaching, or building a team? And was it worth the wait, or should he have been canned 2 or 3 years ago? Would Dallas fans be willing to wait 7 years on one coach?
Cowher, Shanahan, Reid, Dungy, Schottenheimer--Playoffs often, but rarely to the Super Bowl (if ever). Bad coaching? Or is making the playoffs enough, even with loads of talent? Would you accept Reid's record? Or Cowher--2 Super Bowls in 14 years? Would that be ok in Dallas?
Untried college coach--Very few have ever made it in the NFL. How long do you give a coach who's made the jump? 3, 4, 7, 10? Suppose they do go with a young QB--& you end up with a Joey Harrington? Again, how long do you give a young QB? Peyton Manning still hasn't made a championship. Bad coaching, bad QBing? Would you demand that the coach or QB be dumped if they were with the Cowboys? (Hey, I'd argue that Michael Vick will never be a good QB. He's flashy & pulls in an audience, but is that enough? Or should he be cut & another one tried?) Yes, Weiss pulled off a feat with Notre Dame--but they lost their Bowl game. Willingham ended up getting fired for much the same. Saban? Looks promising. I'll point out that he hasn't solved the QB mystery yet, either--so much for the theory that a new coach goes with a rookie QB.
Same questions could be asked of former ACs--how long would you be willing to give one?
I'm not saying any of those coaches are worse, or better, than Parcells.
What fans need to decide is how long they're willing to give a coach. If you go with a revolving door, as so many teams do (& what so many here are demanding), then you will forever be "building" a team. Also, respectfully, one good year for a coach doesn't mean the next year will be. Schottenheimer was coach of the year candidate last year. Would you have demanded him be fired this year (& he wasn't playing Rivers, even when it was obvious the Chargers wouldn't make the playoffs--guess Parcells isn't the only coach who plays his vets). Yes, Gibbs had a good year this year. Think that will be repeated next year? Maybe, maybe not. I think it probably will be. (One reason--because Gibbs seems to have gotten the message of patience & not meddling across to Snyder, finally. Much like Parcells seems to have gotten that message across to Jerry.) I think the Cowboys will also have a good year next year. They're building, & it takes longer than people may like. They may not necessarily accomplish what many of you think they should this coming season--but you who want Holmgren, you should be willing to apply those standards to Parcells (7 years without a playoff win, remember?). Cowher had a miserable year 2 years ago--lots of people wanted him fired, said he'd been with the team too long. Earlier this year he was having a pretty crappy year. Holmgren was being written off at the end of last year--always choking when it counted. They both hit it pretty big this year. I think it was for 2 main reasons--they're both good coaches & they, along with ownership, were willing to take a long-term view & build their teams. They both now have teams that look like they could be contenders for a long time. I think the same is happening in Dallas--but it takes time. The crucial question, for any coach you think should be hired, is time. How much will you give him? If you're going to demand instant success--then you have to exclude Holmgren & Cowher. Neither had instant success (Cowher took 4 years to get to his first SB & 10 years since). By the standards of many here, they both should have been fired several years ago.
By the standards here of many, Jimmy Johnson should have been fired from the Dolphins. Holding him to your current standards--why would you take a failed coach from another team? With all due respect, I DON'T think Jimmy could repeat his initial success if he came back (& inherited the team Parcells initially had). He might be successful with the current team, but I really don't think he would have been able to accomplish any more than Parcells has in the past 3 years--having to get unfamiliar ACs (since most of his were elsewhere a few years ago), evaluate the players then with the team, accomodate Jerry in trying out CHutch & Q, deal with salary cap implications in cutting players, getting FAs, drafting, etc. He couldn't do it with the Dolphins--you think he'd accomplish it here, why? At least not in 3 years. Given time, yes. So, how much time would you give Jimmy Johnson?
It's also a question you're going to have to ask yourselves when the Cowboys DO get a new coach. Altho that coach will be fortunate--like him or not, Parcells has improved the current team & the next coach will inherit a team in much better shape (much like Belichick got pretty lucky with the team he inherited from Parcells & Carroll--hmmm, wonder how much success even Belichick would have had with the Cowboys team Parcells took over). So how much time will you give that coach? 7 years to get one playoff win? And if he does make it to the Super Bowl once, loses, & doesn't go back for 7-8-9 years, then what?
Why do I have a feeling those who are convinced any coach would be better than Parcells, would/will be demanding that coach's head?
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speedkilz88 said:
I understand. But why would you want them over Parcells whos more or less done all that and then some. Cept I guess for the fact that he hasnt done it at this particular moment in time.
Vermeil did have some good things offensively, but he couldnt get the D on a consistent good track to save his life. Heres it's been kinda the opposite.
If only either coach could have swapped the unit they needed with the other team, one of em might have another trophy.
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To build a solid team and front office? No one other than Parcells.
To have the best game day coach? Jimmy, Belichick, Parcells.
To have the best game day coach? Jimmy, Belichick, Parcells.
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ConcordCowboy said:And Of Course...Jim Tressel!
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Now, back to my koolaid.....
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Right now, I'd rather have Parcells than any other coach.
All the coaches listed would be nice......but JJ doesn't hire them. I think Parcells is the only guy JJ will trust the Benz with. If we didn't have BP, I can assure you he'd hire another guy he could control.
Parcells has done exactly what we wanted. He's taken some control away from JJ, and he's infused this team with talent. We finally have some good, young players.
All the coaches listed would be nice......but JJ doesn't hire them. I think Parcells is the only guy JJ will trust the Benz with. If we didn't have BP, I can assure you he'd hire another guy he could control.
Parcells has done exactly what we wanted. He's taken some control away from JJ, and he's infused this team with talent. We finally have some good, young players.
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Jimmy Johnson.
Should have never left.
Should have never left.
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Below is my ranking of the top 11 NFL coaches right now
1. Belichick
2. Cowher
3. Saban
4. John Fox
4. Kubiak
5. Dungy
6. Jimmy Johnson
7. Gruden
8. Joe Gibbs
9. Mike Shanahan
10. Tom Coughlin
11. Big Bill Parcells
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99,453,939,423,774. Dave 'Time Clock' Campo
1. Belichick
2. Cowher
3. Saban
4. John Fox
4. Kubiak
5. Dungy
6. Jimmy Johnson
7. Gruden
8. Joe Gibbs
9. Mike Shanahan
10. Tom Coughlin
11. Big Bill Parcells
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99,453,939,423,774. Dave 'Time Clock' Campo
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why is everyone on Saban's jock? Parcells did better his 1st year, than Saban did his 1st year in Miami, so how about we wait a little bit?
guess knee-jerk goes both ways...positive and negative
guess knee-jerk goes both ways...positive and negative
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Marvin Lewis then possibly Bill Cowher.
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There are only 5 possible coaching candidates that I would either prefer over Parcells or wouldn't be angry if they replaced Parcells:
Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belichick, Joe Gibbs, Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher
Fellas like Marvin Lewis and Fox are tempting but I'm only going to replace a HOF coach with someone who has proven his success over several years and/or teams. For whatever reason, Dungy's teams choke, wouldn't want him. Like Mike Shanahan but don't think he brings much more to the table. At least with Gruden and Cowher I get Super Bowl coaches who can inspire the team unlike most other coaches.
Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belichick, Joe Gibbs, Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher
Fellas like Marvin Lewis and Fox are tempting but I'm only going to replace a HOF coach with someone who has proven his success over several years and/or teams. For whatever reason, Dungy's teams choke, wouldn't want him. Like Mike Shanahan but don't think he brings much more to the table. At least with Gruden and Cowher I get Super Bowl coaches who can inspire the team unlike most other coaches.
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In no particular order I would take Kirk Ferentz, Bobby Stoops, or Gary Kubiak over Parcells simply because they are young and if they turn out to be successful there's a good chance they could be here 15 years. Before anybody rags on my choices and says something like they are unproven. Let me just say what has Parcells proven in his 3 years here? He is one game over .500 and realistically I don't see a super bowl with the players he's brought in so far. Our O-line is old and in shambles. Our QB (while good) is also way past his prime. We have two old WR's., A good young TE and a decent RB when he is healthy. Our Defense could be excellent but really is our D much better now than when the short curly haired guy was running it??
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
