NBA is getting like the old NFL

[nablives]

The NBA is always top heavy. The Knicks however, suck. They do not belong in that conversation.

Neither do the Nets, at least not yet.

 

[Temo]

I just want to state for the record that Deron never wanted to come here, Billy King just took a flyer on him and hoped he would stay once he got to meet ownership. And he still almost bolted to Dallas.

And everyone (including me) laughed at the Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace trades. And in fact you could argue Portland/Atlanta got the better of both of those deals.

Getting Dwight for $0.30 on the dollar would be a major coup, but we're still giving up 3 first round picks, a promising prospect (Marshon), a solid if uninspiring starting center (Brook Lopez), and a good role player (Kris Humphries) to get him. Basically our entire depth and future ability to get more depth. Miami gave up absolutely nothing to get LeBron and Bosh.

So I really don't see where the Brooklyn/Miami cases are the same.

 

[Temo]

Also, if Deron went to the Mavs like he almost did, wouldn't that make the Mavs more of an inorganically built team? I mean the Nets still haven't signed any big free agents from other teams. And still won't if they trade for Howard.

Yet if they trade for Howard, all of a sudden they're a super team that is ruining the NBA, but if the Mavs signed Deron away from the Nets (and the nets would have gotten back nothing), it's fine?

Not to mention any team could have had Joe Johnson for free, if they were willing to take his contract. And any team could have had Gerald Wallace for a first round pick + $10M/year.

 

[juck]

Mavs signing Deron alongside Dirk is not a Superteam. Its a solid ,very good one two punch. Nets,signed, Joe Johnson,Deron,Wallace,and now gonna get D12. The russian is gonna have to pay over 250 million in luxury taxes and he could care less. The Russian is used to soccer style clubs. The richest do what they want.

 

[Temo]

Mavs signing Deron alongside Dirk is not a Superteam. Its a solid ,very good one two punch. Nets,signed, Joe Johnson,Deron,Wallace,and now gonna get D12. The russian is gonna have to pay over 250 million in luxury taxes and he could care less. The Russian is used to soccer style clubs. The richest do what they want.

Really? A Mavs fan is going to use the luxury tax as an excuse now?

They didn't sign Joe Johnson. They traded for Wallace, a trade that everyone laughed at them for. They traded for Deron, who never said he wanted to come to New Jersey of all places.

 

[Biggems]

Actually I think OKC and Spurs arent a superteam. As I think about it they did this thru never landing big fishes. Dallas in 2011 really only had one superstar. people forget Chandler was a castoff until Cuban gave him a shot. Im talking about these teams that just gather superstars and ring chase. I guess yea the celtics did it. However they kinda lucked out thru trades etc... Miami did this intentionally. Now the Nets, Knicks, Lakers(always been this way).

Spurs not a Super-team? They have 4 rings in the Duncan era, the best regular season record the last two seasons, 3 future HOF players and a HOF coach.....They have the best winning % since 98. But you are right, not a superteam.....just a bunch of jags and scrubs.

 

[nablives]

Also, if Deron went to the Mavs like he almost did, wouldn't that make the Mavs more of an inorganically built team? I mean the Nets still haven't signed any big free agents from other teams. And still won't if they trade for Howard.

Yet if they trade for Howard, all of a sudden they're a super team that is ruining the NBA, but if the Mavs signed Deron away from the Nets (and the nets would have gotten back nothing), it's fine?

Not to mention any team could have had Joe Johnson for free, if they were willing to take his contract. And any team could have had Gerald Wallace for a first round pick + $10M/year.

I think a lot of Mavs fans are just really sour right now because Cubes let their champ fall apart, promised them it would be worth it when D-Will and Howard came to Dallas, and now that's clearly not going to happen.

Even worse is that now the next logical move would be to move Dirk, but you know they can't do that without him asking them for a trade, not unless they want to get killed by their already upset fans.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Spurs not a Super-team? They have 4 rings in the Duncan era, the best regular season record the last two seasons, 3 future HOF players and a HOF coach.....They have the best winning % since 98. But you are right, not a superteam.....just a bunch of jags and scrubs.

Super teams is a relative term for teams with multiple superstars. Parker and Ginobli are terrific players, but aren't considered superstars.

 

[juck]

Super teams is a relative term for teams with multiple superstars. Parker and Ginobli are terrific players, but aren't considered superstars.

Exactly. If anything Spurs are anti super team. It is a good thing. A TEAM. Mavs in 2011 may be the last TEAM to win with only one star and playing as a full team bench included. cHeat and Nets (if they get D12) are going to obliterate everyone for next few years. ******,cHeat got Ray Allen now. Just what they needed an open Allen to bomb 3s. They are also signing Rashard Lewis.

 

[juck]

I think a lot of Mavs fans are just really sour right now because Cubes let their champ fall apart, promised them it would be worth it when D-Will and Howard came to Dallas, and now that's clearly not going to happen.

Even worse is that now the next logical move would be to move Dirk, but you know they can't do that without him asking them for a trade, not unless they want to get killed by their already upset fans.

Sour? YEA WE ARE. I dont care about DWILL,it happens, but at least if ur gonna get young sign Dragic. I dont get it. We shall see. Dirk will stay though. He is dedicated to DFW. Another reason to love Dirk. He stuck by his team to get that ring. He never chased for it.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Exactly. If anything Spurs are anti super team. It is a good thing. A TEAM. Mavs in 2011 may be the last TEAM to win with only one star and playing as a full team bench included. cHeat and Nets (if they get D12) are going to obliterate everyone for next few years. ******,cHeat got Ray Allen now. Just what they needed an open Allen to bomb 3s. They are also signing Rashard Lewis.

Again no they wouldn't. Teams like Boston, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, the Lakers, and maybe even the Clippers are fully capable of beating them. If Brooklyn traded for Howard they'd have absolutely no depth. They'd have Deron, Dwight, Wallace, Johnson, and nothing else. Miami and Boston would destroy them in a seven game series. Still don't see Howard being traded to Brooklyn. Can't imagine Orlando accepting their joke of an offer. Still think he ends up being traded to the Lakers since they have by far the best offer. Bynum won't sign an extension with Orlando, but they're better offer taking a gamble with him than accepting Brooklyn's garbage offer of Lopez, some scrubs, and useless draft picks.

 

[Noryb]

That's the history of the NBA. There is a reason why 5 teams have accounted for 46 of the NBA championships and 71 of the finals appearances. Super teams is not a new concept when it comes to the NBA.

 

[juck]

Again no they wouldn't. Teams like Boston, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, the Lakers, and maybe even the Clippers are fully capable of beating them. If Brooklyn traded for Howard they'd have absolutely no depth. They'd have Deron, Dwight, Wallace, Johnson, and nothing else. Miami and Boston would destroy them in a seven game series. Still don't see Howard being traded to Brooklyn. Can't imagine Orlando accepting their joke of an offer. Still think he ends up being traded to the Lakers since they have by far the best offer. Bynum won't sign an extension with Orlando, but they're better offer taking a gamble with him than accepting Brooklyn's garbage offer of Lopez, some scrubs, and useless draft picks.

I think the Nets offer is a joke too. I wish someone would offer Lopez the Max. Then D12 wouldnt happen. Lopez wouldnt be able to be traded. They would lose him or have to match. Humphries is asking for a 4 year deal and isnt going to get it. Another cog in the plan. I wouldnt waste him on Bynum either. Bynum wont stay there why do that? I would keep him cause the offers will get better as the season goes. They have nothing to lose.

 

[Risen Star]

The NBA sucks for that exact reason. Great game, no level playing field. You have 75% of the fan bases going into each season knowing they have absolutely no chance to win anything and probably have no chance the next 5 years.

Until that changes, the popularity of the league will always suffer.

 

[Noryb]

Between what the players are doing and what the league has been doing for years. They are going to kill the league....good riddance.

The NBA finals ratings have been pretty solid lately. They'll never see the ratings they enjoyed during the Jordan years but it's actually been on par with the world series the past few years.

Based on ratings, the NHL is the sport that we should be bidding a farewell to.

 

[Noryb]

The NBA sucks for that exact reason. Great game, no level playing field. You have 75% of the fan bases going into each season knowing they have absolutely no chance to win anything and probably have no chance the next 5 years.

Until that changes, the popularity of the league will always suffer.

Yet it experienced it's highest popularity during the Bird/Magic/Jordan era. A period were their teams accounted for 14 of the 19 championships and Jordan was swinging a bat for two of those years.

Like it or not, stars sale the NBA, which is why it's on the uptick.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The NBA sucks for that exact reason. Great game, no level playing field. You have 75% of the fan bases going into each season knowing they have absolutely no chance to win anything and probably have no chance the next 5 years.

Until that changes, the popularity of the league will always suffer.

Unfortunately, I saw Ric Bucher on ESPN arguing just the opposite. He said that fans may hate it, but it's a fact (his words) that the league does better when there are only a few good teams and when they're in the biggest markets. He said forget thinking this will ever be like the NFL where there's real parity.

Sad because if he's thinking and saying that, the NBA itself probably is. Which only leads to more suspicion of things being at least semi-crooked.

 

[Risen Star]

Unfortunately, I saw Ric Bucher on ESPN arguing just the opposite. He said that fans may hate it, but it's a fact (his words) that the league does better when there are only a few good teams and when they're in the biggest markets. He said forget thinking this will ever be like the NFL where there's real parity.

Sad because if he's thinking and saying that, the NBA itself probably is. Which only leads to more suspicion of things being at least semi-crooked.

I have to admit though that the quality of the playoffs is much better with the NBA than the NFL parity era. You have great teams in the NBA. You can see two dynasty type teams battling it out every year. That's how it used to be in the NFL.

I guess I would prefer things the NBA way, but not when I'm a fan of one of the have nots.(Sixers)

I agree with your premise. If the league really does think that way you have to think some shenanigans are going on at some point.

 

[RastaRocket]

Neither do the Nets, at least not yet.

I agree, didn't notice them on the list at first.

 

[baj1dallas]

People that say stuff like this have absolutely zero historical perspective. For one thing something like ten teams have won every single championship in the history of the league and it's more like a half dozen in the past thirty years or so.

Yet every five or 10 years some team like Detroit or Dallas comes along and upsets the apple cart. Teams like Boston and LA have been loading up on HoFers ever since the leagues merged, but of course you can't complain about something that happened 30 years ago.

There's really nothing logical to complain about, other perhaps than the Nets owner going $50 mil over the salary cap, but whatever, the owners were willing to leave out the hard cap, so it's their own fault.