NBA Off-season Moves (starting with my Mavs)

jterrell

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It is going to be another interesting off-season. One Dallas got to get going on this early after the miserable playoff showing.

The Mavs off-season should be quite interesting.
  • Projected salary: $42.6 million
  • Cap holds: $43 million
  • Total salary/holds: $85.6 million
Those cap holds are largely for two players. Walking Dead corpse of Rondo (~16M) and Old Man Center, Tyson(~20M).

Obviously Dallas wants to get in on the local kid, Lamarcus Aldridge.
He loves his Momma and Texas, like all decent living human beings.
Sadly, San Antonio and Houston are also in Texas... but maybe Lamarcus doesn't know this....
Plus his Momma is just outside Dallas and traffic to Houston or SA SUCK!!

So that means figuring out Tyson or renouncing his rights quickly to be under the cap. UNLESS Portland wants to trade Aldridge here(gotta cover the possibility, even if it is very unlikely--hey dwight powell and peter kopponen(sp?) are delightful prospects kind sirs)

If and when Dallas misses out on Aldridge the real portion of the off-season begins.

And there we get into major questions:
1. Bring back "Monta have it all"? Ellis is an enigma wrapped in a surly riddle. He plays hard and with an edge and hates to EVER come off the floor. Very much a throw back. He just can't shoot the 3 very well and he is short for a SG. Other than that he has it all!!! He is a surprisingly effective defender with top marks at SG for both steals and charges drawn. His defensive metrics actually look better than his offensive ones for the season. Monta is making just over 8m and that angers him. He is easy to anger, BTW. So does he want to come back at 8-9 m with a reduced role and provide offense off the bench? Stop laughing dang it. That is where most true contenders would envision him. And maybe he fills that role in Cleveland... sigh.

2. PG? Who needs a PG..... Dallas was desperate when it made the Rondo deal and it is even moreso now. Devin Harris has been hurt and very limited for a while. JJ Barea is such a fun little dude to watch but I am pretty sure I can post him up and score at will. The best logical option may well be Brooklyn with Deron Williams. I did mention desperation right? Not sure what all ballast the Mavs would have to eat but Brooklyn seems willing to listen and not many folks are going to IMHO. DWill may well NEED to come home to get his head right wih ball. Here he can be a gym rat while his family is right there in the gym too. Heck, he can JET's old house in Frisco and just shoot AT HOME. This ain't New Yack City, but it is a place with lots of gyms and very affordable mansions and both sides of the family still reside here in North Texas. If you miss on DWill I really don't wanna consider too many other options because it goes from ho hum to just depressing quickly. It's not long before trying to talk JKidd out of retirement comes up.

3. 2 way dudes. Dallas has some really great attributes. Dirk's FT ability and all-around offensive threat, Ty's willingess to rebound and role for dunks. JJ Barea's speed. Monta's frit and willingness to give up his body and to draw charges. Aminu's lock down defense. But it really lacks for 2 way guys. Parsons is overpaid but on this Dallas roster he is must because they have so few 2-way players. And I don't mean stars on both ends, I mean guys who don't kill you on one end. As Dallas adds pieces it needs to focus less on guys with stellar attributes Rick can plus in and more on guys with fewer or no holes. It needs Draymond Greens not specialists. Good thing is if you want to draft a well-rounded kid with limited upside but few holes, 21 is a good spot. A guy like Justin Anderson or Delon Wright may well fit the bill here. Maybe even Sam Dekker.

4. Keep chasing rings? Dallas and SA are far and away the most consistent teams in basketball for being competitive. At some point the league demands it's due and you must pay in blood. See the Lakers this year or even Miami or NY. Being big market and all that only helps so much. Eventually you gotta get high picks and use those either trade for very helpful pieces like Kevin Love or you gotta plug them in and develop them knowing you'll suck. Dallas has to make a lot of tough choices but my guess is Cuban as a fan of the 90's Mavs realizes rebuilding is a VERY long-term job if you commit to it and would rather fight for the 8 seed than that.

Anyways, no one wants to read this much so I'll break down the roster in a reply, another day.
 

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Aldridge is from Dallas
Houston is a long ways from Dallas...about the same as New York to Washington DC
San Antonio is further still
:D

OKC is closer than both
 

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Aldridge is from Dallas
Houston is a long ways from Dallas...about the same as New York to Washington DC
San Antonio is further still
:D

OKC is closer than both

but oklahoma sucks...so the further drive would be worth it
 

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Aldridge's son and baby mama live in San Antonio. Free agents never choose SA, but at least they have that going for them.
 

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Aldridge works out with Duncan in the offseason and each have a great relationship with each other. I think the Spurs will make a strong push to sign him.
 

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Aldridge works out with Duncan in the offseason and each have a great relationship with each other. I think the Spurs will make a strong push to sign him.

I think Aldridge is San Antonio's best chance to sign a big name FA in....well....ever. If they can get Duncan to sign for less, Manu retires, and Kawhi waits to sign, they can max both Aldridge and Kawhi. A lot has to happen, but I think they'll make the push for him. Like you said, great relationship with Timmy will help.

As for other Spurs moves, I don't see Belinelli back. Danny Green is probably 50% right now. I could see them getting Gary Neal back to replace Beli. Splitter may have to go in any move that brings LA in.
 

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I think Aldridge is San Antonio's best chance to sign a big name FA in....well....ever. If they can get Duncan to sign for less, Manu retires, and Kawhi waits to sign, they can max both Aldridge and Kawhi. A lot has to happen, but I think they'll make the push for him. Like you said, great relationship with Timmy will help.

As for other Spurs moves, I don't see Belinelli back. Danny Green is probably 50% right now. I could see them getting Gary Neal back to replace Beli. Splitter may have to go in any move that brings LA in.

Like Dallas, the Spurs are projected to be $18.6 million over next season's cap, but unlike Dallas, they may be interested in retaining most of their free agents. A lot is going to depend on whether Duncan and Ginobili retire or decide to resign for significantly less. Their combined cap holds are $26 million (Duncan $15.5 million, Ginobili $10.5 million). If they both retire, then the Spurs would be $7.4 million below the cap and would need to free up about $12.6 million. They can get there by renouncing the rights to Belinelli, Joseph, Baynes, Ayres, and Bonner. If one or both come back the money really doesn't work.

What about Kawhi Leonard, you say? Well his cap hold is small at $4 million, and they could wait to resign him (especially since he is a restricted free agent), until they signed Aldridge. They can do the same thing with Danny Green too.

Besides Duncan and Ginobili possibly not retiring or wanting near what they are making now, the big hitch in their plans to pursue Aldridge could be Leonard's restricted free agency. Another team could really screw with the Spurs by offering Leonard a max or near max contract, and Leonard agrees to it, then that amount would go on the Spurs cap until either the Spurs matched it or decided to let Leonard walk. If that happens, then another team could swoop in and sign Aldridge, or he could decide to remain in Portland.
 

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Awesome... All off season Moves.... (Mavs get in the title of course)...
but better than a "Mavs Only" Thread...


Well Lets get started! Peace Monty Williams... still think you're a solid coach...

Draft Lottery coming soon.
 

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I won't even mention how much Dallas and Houston would love to give K. Leonard the max offer sheet.
But not sure either can do so and expect to sign anyone else or convince Kawhi they are set if he does except it.
And since it is foregone conclusion SA would match, not sure he wants to screw over his team.

But SA better get right with Leonard financially and let him know the max is coming before he plays the field.
 

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I think SA gets Aldridge, he would probably choose them over Dallas and Houston if he wants to play in Texas.

As for the Rockets, they need a new coach and an overhaul......preferably some defensive players and a point guard. For the icing on the cake, these new players better be good FT shooters :cool:
 

jterrell

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Awesome... All off season Moves.... (Mavs get in the title of course)...
but better than a "Mavs Only" Thread...


Well Lets get started! Peace Monty Williams... still think you're a solid coach...

Draft Lottery coming soon.

All we need to hear from you is when your Sixers are gonna trade some of that young talent for older, overpaid vets. lol

The Sixers really do fit nicely in almost all dream trade scenarios.
They have a lot of cheap youth and picks.
They can use stop gap starters and afford short-term but high cap hits.
 

RonSpringsdaman20

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All we need to hear from you is when your Sixers are gonna trade some of that young talent for older, overpaid vets. lol

The Sixers really do fit nicely in almost all dream trade scenarios.
They have a lot of cheap youth and picks.
They can use stop gap starters and afford short-term but high cap hits.

lol.... they will go young one more year... maybe a low budge vet free agent...

Embiid is the make or break... 2 years from now vs another 4 years of destitute...
Unless however Philadelphia gets the first pick... than you have no choice but to take Townes, and he's a franchise player as well..

I think I'm the only person in this thread who is more excited about the summer league then the regular season....
 

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Like Dallas, the Spurs are projected to be $18.6 million over next season's cap, but unlike Dallas, they may be interested in retaining most of their free agents. A lot is going to depend on whether Duncan and Ginobili retire or decide to resign for significantly less. Their combined cap holds are $26 million (Duncan $15.5 million, Ginobili $10.5 million). If they both retire, then the Spurs would be $7.4 million below the cap and would need to free up about $12.6 million. They can get there by renouncing the rights to Belinelli, Joseph, Baynes, Ayres, and Bonner. If one or both come back the money really doesn't work.

What about Kawhi Leonard, you say? Well his cap hold is small at $4 million, and they could wait to resign him (especially since he is a restricted free agent), until they signed Aldridge. They can do the same thing with Danny Green too.

Besides Duncan and Ginobili possibly not retiring or wanting near what they are making now, the big hitch in their plans to pursue Aldridge could be Leonard's restricted free agency. Another team could really screw with the Spurs by offering Leonard a max or near max contract, and Leonard agrees to it, then that amount would go on the Spurs cap until either the Spurs matched it or decided to let Leonard walk. If that happens, then another team could swoop in and sign Aldridge, or he could decide to remain in Portland.

I know anything can change, but I don't see any situation where Kawhi is on another team. According to Woj, he's not even going to look around, and the non-extension was intentional so they can sign a FA first, and go above the cap to retain Kawhi.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....heets-as-a-restricted-free-agent-this-summer/
 

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Kawhi will be a Spur for the long term. He is our future. Duncan will return, probably at a very low price tag, same with Manu. Green, I hope will return. However, he is going to command a pretty penny in the open market and may have to be willing to take a discount to remain in SA. I see Bonner retiring and joining the coaching staff. I would like to see Belinelli back, but if not, maybe Neal can come back on the cheap. Baynes should be back. Splitter might get traded, but only if we can get something of quality in return. I see Aldridge as a strong possibility to sign with the Spurs. I am not going to guarantee it, but I feel quite positive about it happening.

Now as far as the draft, I have no clue. I would love a quality big man and a G/F
 

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I know anything can change, but I don't see any situation where Kawhi is on another team. According to Woj, he's not even going to look around, and the non-extension was intentional so they can sign a FA first, and go above the cap to retain Kawhi.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....heets-as-a-restricted-free-agent-this-summer/

This time last year Leonard's agent said they'd "explore all options" and the Spurs themselves were talking about guys being willing to take less a la Tim Duncan.
But if they are willing to play big market ball(i.e.operate well over the cap for years at a time) and insure Leonard he is a max guy while trying to use the cap space available on others first, he is definitely a Spur. --Unless.... Leonard is a California kid. If he got an offer for the max in his home state is he liable to take it? That question seems logical given that Pop probably doesn't coach out Leonards new's deal and Duncan/Ginobli may well retire. IF the Spurs are holding off on Leonard and find the other pieces don't fall for them does he leave if he views SA as not a true elite with few pieces to build around?

San Antonio will have a far more intriguing off-season than it usually does. They have made so few moves but this off-season there could be tons of moving pieces.
Once they re-sign or retire Duncan/Ginobli they have to relinquish right to basically all the depth guys(plus move Splitter if Duncan comes back) to make a move for a max guy. It is going to be the most interesting off-season San Antonio has ever seen IMHO. San Antonio and Dallas are two teams that could come out of the off-season as title contenders or lottery teams.
 

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...so disappointed for the Knicks. Big drop off from 4th to 5th so at least we avoided that, but I really wanted Anthony-Thomas
 
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