NBA Off-season Moves (starting with my Mavs)

[RonSpringsdaman20]

...so disappointed for the Knicks. Big drop off from 4th to 5th so at least we avoided that, but I really wanted Anthony-Thomas

I don't know about that drop off.... I think Hezonja, Porzingis may go higher than people think...

 

[darthseinfeld]

Ive heard Dallas and Deandre Jordan linked a bit

 

[bounce]

Ive heard Dallas and Deandre Jordan linked a bit

Dallas is linked with every big name FA every year.

 

[jterrell]

Ive heard Dallas and Deandre Jordan linked a bit

Jordan's agent keeps putting that out there.
Jordan is a Houston kid and that would be his choice but they have D12.

Neither Griffin nor Jordan are friends with CP. there is friction.

Back in Texas, no state taxes, and seen as more than a 3rd wheel? That's what his agent sees.
Dallas has told that agent he'd be their first priority but it's still a long shot.

That's a really good Clippers team and the Mavs are going to re-build on the fly AGAIN.
Carlisle is as demanding as CP.
Mavs would want a larger plan that upgraded PG as well for next year if they are gonna give out a max deal.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have no idea what the Lakers might have in the way of Cap this next season. They will have a decent amount of space but they could really have a lot of space if Kobe decides to retire. He will make 25 Million this next season and that's a decent chunk of change but he might just decide to retire as well. I don't see him passing on that money so I'm guessing the Lakers will have around 30 Million to spend.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

I have no idea what the Lakers might have in the way of Cap this next season. They will have a decent amount of space but they could really have a lot of space if Kobe decides to retire. He will make 25 Million this next season and that's a decent chunk of change but he might just decide to retire as well. I don't see him passing on that money so I'm guessing the Lakers will have around 30 Million to spend.

that guy sing going nowhere without giving it a go.... come on.... its Kobe!

 

[jterrell]

I have no idea what the Lakers might have in the way of Cap this next season. They will have a decent amount of space but they could really have a lot of space if Kobe decides to retire. He will make 25 Million this next season and that's a decent chunk of change but he might just decide to retire as well. I don't see him passing on that money so I'm guessing the Lakers will have around 30 Million to spend.

Actually the Lakers have about 20m in cap space.
They have a surprising number of guys under contract beyond this season.
They could dump Jordan Hill and get to that 30m mark but that's really unlikely and that's before they take on the 2nd pick pay slot.

They should get rid of the holds for Lin and Boozer (32m in cap holds) unless they find trades for them.

Lakers can add a max guy if they find one that wants to jump into that and rumor was they'd go all out for Marc Gasol but not sure how likely that is.
They traded him off previously and also saw his brother walk away not all that happy with Lakerland.

Obviously they are the only team linked still to Rondo so may get him on a cheap deal if they still really want him.

With Randle and the 2nd pick not sure they don't just go all out rebuild.
Not even a max guy makes them a playoff team next year.
They'd need a lot more pieces than that.

 

[jterrell]

that guy sing going nowhere without giving it a go.... come on.... its Kobe!

he feels he is owed every cent of that 25 million and will collect.
he may go somewhere else the following year as a bargain to title hunt(contenders 6th man) but he is getting his 25 million.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

he feels he is owed every cent of that 25 million and will collect.
he may go somewhere else the following year as a bargain to title hunt(contenders 6th man) but he is getting his 25 million.

he is definitely owed every cent.... all the money he brought to LA.... he's not going anywhere in my opinion...
i can see him retiring after next year... and having a percentage in the team shortly after.....

 

[jterrell]

he is definitely owed every cent.... all the money he brought to LA.... he's not going anywhere in my opinion...
i can see him retiring after next year... and having a percentage in the team shortly after.....

If he is going to end up a minority owner, taking a smaller deal would have been smart.
I expect that for Duncan and Dirk. The fans love those dudes. The owners have ties to the stars.
Laker's fans now want Kobe off the books and have heartburn. Most of the bandwagon types have fleed.
The Buss kids seem unable to do anything smart and unlikely to be in a sharing mood as they fight amongst themselves.

So... I don't think Kobe is getting any Lakers ownership stake now with Jerry Buss gone.
And I don't think he much wants to retire a loser.
And with the cap rising a ton there should be 8-10m out there for him as a scoring 6th man at SF for a title contender.

Why would he not consider hopping into Matt Barnes role? Or JR Smith's.

If he took a 2 year 18mil deal he'd be doing the Lakers a favor and give himself a chance to win one last title.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

If he is going to end up a minority owner, taking a smaller deal would have been smart.
I expect that for Duncan and Dirk. The fans love those dudes. The owners have ties to the stars.
Laker's fans now want Kobe off the books and have heartburn. Most of the bandwagon types have fleed.
The Buss kids seem unable to do anything smart and unlikely to be in a sharing mood as they fight amongst themselves.

So... I don't think Kobe is getting any Lakers ownership stake now with Jerry Buss gone.
And I don't think he much wants to retire a loser.
And with the cap rising a ton there should be 8-10m out there for him as a scoring 6th man at SF for a title contender.

Why would he not consider hopping into Matt Barnes role? Or JR Smith's.

If he took a 2 year 18mil deal he'd be doing the Lakers a favor and give himself a chance to win one last title.

I don't agree.. I think he will be a career Laker... was the money grab selfish? perhaps.... but than again it is kobe we're talking about...
and no matter what the record is, people come out because of him.... some teams believe in legacy over saving money... the lakers are one. I don't think kobe will be a third wheel for anyone, or any other team...

but we all have our opinions... it will play out soon enough...

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

thought this was the NBA thread for a sec!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It will be interesting to see what Kobe decides. As I said, I expect him to take the money but he has said that when he can no longer perform to the level he expects from himself, he will hang it up. The question is, what level of play does he come back with? That's unknown at this point so there is a chance that he could retire. I don't expect it but I would not be surprised.

The Lakers are probably not keeping anybody except Kobe, if he wants, Jordan Hill if the team decides to keep him (I think they have a team option on him), Nick Young, Julius Randle, maybe Kelly, Tarik Black and Clarkson. The rest, I don't think are guaranteed. In fact, I'd almost say that there is a better chance that they are gone then that they return. If they do nothing, I think they have 23 Million but I doubt they will do nothing. I think the cap number will be higher then that. JMO

 

[bounce]

Why would he not consider hopping into Matt Barnes role? Or JR Smith's.

If he took a 2 year 18mil deal he'd be doing the Lakers a favor and give himself a chance to win one last title.

Pure speculation, I just don't see Kobe setting ego aside to take a role like that. Barnes and JR Smith were never the alpha dog on a team, but Kobe has been the alpha dog in a league full of them. I don't see him wanting a ring just to get another ring. I see him wanting to LEAD a team to a ring. His ego is what made him great, but it could also be his achilles heel this late in his career.

 

[jterrell]

It will be interesting to see what Kobe decides. As I said, I expect him to take the money but he has said that when he can no longer perform to the level he expects from himself, he will hang it up. The question is, what level of play does he come back with? That's unknown at this point so there is a chance that he could retire. I don't expect it but I would not be surprised.

The Lakers are probably not keeping anybody except Kobe, if he wants, Jordan Hill if the team decides to keep him (I think they have a team option on him), Nick Young, Julius Randle, maybe Kelly, Tarik Black and Clarkson. The rest, I don't think are guaranteed. In fact, I'd almost say that there is a better chance that they are gone then that they return. If they do nothing, I think they have 23 Million but I doubt they will do nothing. I think the cap number will be higher then that. JMO

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/cap/2015/

Kobe, Randle, Swaggy P, Ryan Kelly are guaranteed. They get paid and hit cap regardless.
Ed Davis is a player option so Lakers pay him if he wants. That's about 34m

Clarkson is a team option they'll jump all over. 35m

Jordan Hill is a team option at 9 mil and I suspect they keep him because that's a very reasonable price for a youngish starting center and he becomes a nice trade piece. 44m

They also will have ~5m in cap space used on the 2nd overall pick. 49m.
So with 67 in cap space they'd be under by about 18million. They CAN only get 9 more by releasing all rights to Jordan Hill but that seems dangerously bad decision making even if you just want him as a trade piece.

That's giving up EVERYONE else and releasing all rights to Boozer and Lin as trade pawns.

Instead my guess is they talk to and try to get a free agent to agree to their max deal. If they do work a trade to whomever had his rights.
That would give them the most flexibility and roster building options.
It is actually preferable to work as an over the cap team provided you can get the max guy anyways.

 

[jterrell]

Pure speculation, I just don't see Kobe setting ego aside to take a role like that. Barnes and JR Smith were never the alpha dog on a team, but Kobe has been the alpha dog in a league full of them. I don't see him wanting a ring just to get another ring. I see him wanting to LEAD a team to a ring. His ego is what made him great, but it could also be his achilles heel this late in his career.

There is an article out right now where Kupchak says it is Kobe's last year as a Laker but Kobe says he hasn't decided if it is his last year in basketball.

Both sides are being respectful but the gist from Kupchak is Kobe won't be back.

What I am suggesting is supported by this:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/...indicates-next-season-last-los-angeles-lakers

Kobe's pride will drive him to go out a champion. And he's seen other guys take pay cuts for shots at winning. There's plenty of pride in being the deciding factor and when that is your best option... it makes sense.
I think Kobe's pride will prevent him from leaving after a couple non-playoff seasons.
If the Lakers were to make an amazing comeback next year he just gets in the playoffs and walks off happy but I don't see it.

I think he wants to be a major factor on a contender.

 

[jterrell]

Also FWIW, next year is the year teams want to be wayyy under the cap.
You could go get a couple guys to agree and reshape your team with the huge increase in cap size.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/cap/2015/

Kobe, Randle, Swaggy P, Ryan Kelly are guaranteed. They get paid and hit cap regardless.
Ed Davis is a player option so Lakers pay him if he wants. That's about 34m

Clarkson is a team option they'll jump all over. 35m

Jordan Hill is a team option at 9 mil and I suspect they keep him because that's a very reasonable price for a youngish starting center and he becomes a nice trade piece. 44m

They also will have ~5m in cap space used on the 2nd overall pick. 49m.
So with 67 in cap space they'd be under by about 18million. They CAN only get 9 more by releasing all rights to Jordan Hill but that seems dangerously bad decision making even if you just want him as a trade piece.

That's giving up EVERYONE else and releasing all rights to Boozer and Lin as trade pawns.

Instead my guess is they talk to and try to get a free agent to agree to their max deal. If they do work a trade to whomever had his rights.
That would give them the most flexibility and roster building options.
It is actually preferable to work as an over the cap team provided you can get the max guy anyways.

I don't think they max out there cap unless they can land a young player that they can build around for the future. Lakers are targeting 2017 and are trying to have a lot of cap available. Will be interesting to see what Love does. I think that if the Lakers still like him, and I think they do, and if he decides to move on, the Lakers will try to sign him. Two # 1 picks this year could be traded for talent or they could draft somebody. They can go in a lot of directions but they have a lot of work to do.

 

[jterrell]

I don't know about that drop off.... I think Hezonja, Porzingis may go higher than people think...

I think the top 4 are pretty well set.
Honestly if I picked first I'd take Mudiay.
He has Russell Westbrook like athleticism and scoring ability at PG.
Like Westbrook it may take a few years to turn that into an efficient PG but he's a safe bet to dominate whereas the big guys are gonna need to really develop and round out their games once faced with similar athletes.

 

[jterrell]

I don't think they max out there cap unless they can land a young player that they can build around for the future. Lakers are targeting 2017 and are trying to have a lot of cap available. Will be interesting to see what Love does. I think that if the Lakers still like him, and I think they do, and if he decides to move on, the Lakers will try to sign him. Two # 1 picks this year could be traded for talent or they could draft somebody. They can go in a lot of directions but they have a lot of work to do.

Love isn't a young player. If they like Love they'll like a lot of proven max out type vets.
The reality is the Lakers may be the only team who'd still give Love a max deal. So that very well could happen.
BUT.. do the Lakers want Randle, Love and the #2 pick likely Okafor all playing 4/5?
That's a ton of offense with no defense other than Jordan Hill.

The Lakers will have to decide to either drop the hammer this year or try to limp along one more year in purgatory.
The one year move will not bring back much talent and you can't gain Bird rights under those deals.

So my guess is they'd pretty much bring back the same crew from 2014 and just add the draftee.

The 27th pick SHOULD be used to trade into next year's R1. Maybe with the Cavs or GSW... someone at the bottom.
The usefulness isn't to get the actual pick but ot free up any trade restrictions for lacking R1's left over from the Nash deal.
The Lakers should get R1's in place now every year so they can make future trades.