NCAA Investigating Johnny Manziel for Money/Autograph deal

[joseephuss]

I doubt he would transfer. If he did, he would still have to sit out. I'd suspect he might just try and enter the draft as soon as possible.

It depends on the exact type of suspension. Guys have transferred from FBS(D1) schools to FCS(D1A) schools without having to sit a year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It depends on the exact type of suspension. Guys have transferred from FBS(D1) schools to FCS(D1A) schools without having to sit a year.

I would have to defer to you on that Josee. I do not know any of the details surrounding D1 to D1A transfers.

 

[DonDraper]

Thus far, everything is just hearsay. If no more SOLID evidence comes out then what we know of now (anonymous brokers, supposed pictures of him signing stuff) nothing will happen.

What will likely happen is the NCAA will request access to bank records, which Manziel and his family can refuse but then they'd be hit with non-compliance. If there is nothing that stands out on bank records (and his family is one of the richest in east Texas, so it's unlikely there would be) he'll get off. Unless someone was REALLY stupid and conducted a lump sum electronic transaction or wrote a check, I just don't see how this comes to fruition.

 

[dstovall5]

He's in a tough situation. If he gets suspended then he'll just have to sit out a year, because he's not eligible to enter the draft. Also am I reading this right? The Ebay broker that was selling his autographs for profit ratted him out? If that's true then that's messed up.

 

[Rogah]

It depends on the exact type of suspension. Guys have transferred from FBS(D1) schools to FCS(D1A) schools without having to sit a year.

IMHO, if he receives a 1 year suspension, it will be from all NCAA competition. It isn't like A&M is suspending him for bad grades, it is the NCAA suspending him for his conduct.

(Although, as others in here have pointed out, any suspension is arguably a long shot)

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is more out there on Johnny Manziel, according to rumors. The more people start poking, the more of this you are going to see. Manziel may be better off just taking a year off to be honest. Just calm down and stop doing self destructive stuff.

 

[DonDraper]

A&M has retained legislation in the matter, it's the same law firm that represented Auburn and Cam Newton. This is going to go away.

 

[DFWJC]

A&M has retained legislation in the matter, it's the same law firm that represented Auburn and Cam Newton. This is going to go away.

Due to Newton getting away with all of that stuff by claiming ignorance of his father's action, the NCAA eliminated that loophole.
Huge uphill battle for the kid who just seems to no quite get it yet.

And ABQ is right; they have only scratched the surface. It is rumored.
Has to be proven though, so we'll see

 

[jimmy40]

Johnny Manzeil/ Money Badger

 

[Rogah]

A&M has retained legislation in the matter, it's the same law firm that represented Auburn and Cam Newton. This is going to go away.

All they really need to do is stonewall for the next 5 months or so.

 

[trickblue]

There is more out there on Johnny Manziel, according to rumors. The more people start poking, the more of this you are going to see. Manziel may be better off just taking a year off to be honest. Just calm down and stop doing self destructive stuff.

Back at the Zone, I went back and forth with a certain A&M fan about this. I have friends from Kerrville and they had said this kid is a ticking time-bomb with major anger issues and it's just a matter of time until he loses it. I wasn't being critical as I am not relishing the meltdown that we are all currently witnessing of a young man's life.

If you haven't read the SI article (it is very long), you need to. This kid had a strange upbringing and has a very strange relationship with his family. His parents seem distant, yet excuse his behavior as having too much pressure. His father was a former professional golfer. He said he hates playing golf with Johnny because he has never beaten his father and he routinely throws clubs, cusses and drinks. He did this in front of the SI writer. It seems to me the father could lighten up a bit and maybe lose every 10 or so rounds. When they eat dinner with him THEY buy him alcohol. Texas law states that if your child is 18 or over, that they can be served alcohol in their presence. Then they say he has a drinking problem. It's very strange. They are all very critical of A&M and Coach Sumlin. I'm afraid this is going to explode sooner than later.

He moved to Kerrville from Tyler in high school. In the article it seems that Tyler is the only place he feels safe and is frequently his refuge.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Back at the Zone, I went back and forth with a certain A&M fan about this. I have friends from Kerrville and they had said this kid is a ticking time-bomb with major anger issues and it's just a matter of time until he loses it. I wasn't being critical as I am not relishing the meltdown that we are all currently witnessing of a young man's life.

If you haven't read the SI article (it is very long), you need to. This kid had a strange upbringing and has a very strange relationship with his family. His parents seem distant, yet excuse his behavior as having too much pressure. His father was a former professional golfer. He said he hates playing golf with Johnny because he has never beaten his father and he routinely throws clubs, cusses and drinks. He did this in front of the SI writer. It seems to me the father could lighten up a bit and maybe lose every 10 or so rounds. When they eat dinner with him THEY buy him alcohol. Texas law states that if your child is 18 or over, that they can be served alcohol in their presence. Then they say he has a drinking problem. It's very strange. They are all very critical of A&M and Coach Sumlin. I'm afraid this is going to explode sooner than later.

He moved to Kerrville from Tyler in high school. In the article it seems that Tyler is the only place he feels safe and is frequently his refuge.

I have some friends that are closer to the situation then I. I have heard that this entire situation has been a mess since before last season even started. When you hear this kind of stuff, you don't really know what's true and what's not but if the stuff I've been told is accurate, there will be more that comes out. It's only a matter of time. The longer he stays in the limelight, the more people will look for things. I just think it's better if he takes a break and gets out of the public eye for awhile. If he does that and if he can come down to earth a little bit, he can still have a very productive career. This country is forgiving but it's also famous for tearing Hero's down. He just needs to slow his life down and grow up a little bit, if he has time.

 

[bigdnlaca]

I hope the NCAA change something after this. I just don't like how star athletes are being asked by their "fans" to sign something for free, and then those same "fans" go on Ebay and receive some sort of profit because of the athletes' signature.

 

[joseephuss]

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He moved to Kerrville from Tyler in high school. In the article it seems that Tyler is the only place he feels safe and is frequently his refuge.

That isn't good. Tyler is not somewhere I would want to live.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I hope the NCAA change something after this. I just don't like how star athletes are being asked by their "fans" to sign something for free, and then those same "fans" go on Ebay and receive some sort of profit because of the athletes' signature.

I understand what you are saying but that's not what happened here. You may already know this, of course.

 

[Rogah]

Back at the Zone, I went back and forth with a certain A&M fan about this. I have friends from Kerrville and they had said this kid is a ticking time-bomb with major anger issues and it's just a matter of time until he loses it. I wasn't being critical as I am not relishing the meltdown that we are all currently witnessing of a young man's life.

If you haven't read the SI article (it is very long), you need to. This kid had a strange upbringing and has a very strange relationship with his family. His parents seem distant, yet excuse his behavior as having too much pressure. His father was a former professional golfer. He said he hates playing golf with Johnny because he has never beaten his father and he routinely throws clubs, cusses and drinks. He did this in front of the SI writer. It seems to me the father could lighten up a bit and maybe lose every 10 or so rounds. When they eat dinner with him THEY buy him alcohol. Texas law states that if your child is 18 or over, that they can be served alcohol in their presence. Then they say he has a drinking problem. It's very strange. They are all very critical of A&M and Coach Sumlin. I'm afraid this is going to explode sooner than later.

He moved to Kerrville from Tyler in high school. In the article it seems that Tyler is the only place he feels safe and is frequently his refuge.

He is starting to remind me an awful lot of Ryan Leaf. Leaf is best known for being an incredible bust in the NFL, but it's important to note that the reason he is considered such a bust is because of how successful and talented he was at the college level. He didn't win the Heisman but he sure put up Heisman caliber numbers at Washington St. There were an awful lot of people who said the Colts should have taken him over Peyton Manning (although such people never admit it today).

It was Leaf's complete lack of maturity that did him in in the NFL. He had no maturity and no work ethic and failed miserably because of his sense of entitlement. Simple fact of he matter is that there is not a QB alive who can succeed in the NFL on talent alone. You need talent plus maturity plus a diligent work ethic. Manziel has the talent, sure. The other 2 seem to be missing.

 

[Nirvana]

He's been a vacuum for trouble but I don't see another Maurice Clarett type situation, and that's if he gets a suspension. His draft stock has gone down, could be a very nice pick up for the future. We've got the book on handling trouble makers now.

 

[Avery]

You can only be on the top for so long.

I see major red flags on him and would not touch him early in the draft.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I can see the comparisons from the two QBs. I will say that from a talent evaluation perspective, Leaf was much better then Manziel. Heck, he was much better then Manning, just from a pure talent perspective. The thing with Leaf, and don't get me wrong, he did plenty of stuff to screw himself but the thing about him was that he had some bad circumstance to deal with as well. Remember that San Diego traded up to be able to take Leaf. They traded away a whole lot to get that second pick. A couple of 1st rd picks, some mid level high picks and Eric Metcalf, plus, they signed him to a record deal. Add that to the fact that Kevin Gilbride was his Coach and that guy's offense is terrible. He is to offense what Ryan was to defense. Very complicated and very hard to execute. Heck, even Manning and Warner had trouble with his offense when he was in NY. They finally kicked him to the curb. Leaf was not exactly a road scholar so he had some major issues with that offense. Just before his second year, he injured his shoulder and in those days, you really couldn't fix a torn labrum. He was never the same. However, he was not completely done, he just couldn't throw the ball like he did before the injury. He came back in 2000 and was never really the same. He injured his wrist and that was pretty much it. He failed the physical with us and that was the end of Leaf.

I often wonder what he might have developed into had he been able to avoid the injuries. I don't really think Manziel is the same situation as Leaf but I can see why some might, in light of the behavioral issues each experienced.

If I were comparing him to a QB, it might Kerry Collins out of Penn State.

 

[joseephuss]

Gilbride was only the QB coach for the Giants from 2004-2006, so Kurt Warner didn't have him as an OC. Gilbride became their offensive coordinator in 2007 and remains in that capacity.