NCAA Investigating Johnny Manziel for Money/Autograph deal

joseephuss said:
Gilbride was only the QB coach for the Giants from 2004-2006, so Kurt Warner didn't have him as an OC. Gilbride became their offensive coordinator in 2007 and remains in that capacity.
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You are correct. Gilbride was the QB coach in NY then. However, the part about his offense being complicated for Leaf Is true. Not the best situation for Leaf, who was not a Manning by any stretch.
 
Rogah said:
He is starting to remind me an awful lot of Ryan Leaf. Leaf is best known for being an incredible bust in the NFL, but it's important to note that the reason he is considered such a bust is because of how successful and talented he was at the college level. He didn't win the Heisman but he sure put up Heisman caliber numbers at Washington St. There were an awful lot of people who said the Colts should have taken him over Peyton Manning (although such people never admit it today).

It was Leaf's complete lack of maturity that did him in in the NFL. He had no maturity and no work ethic and failed miserably because of his sense of entitlement. Simple fact of he matter is that there is not a QB alive who can succeed in the NFL on talent alone. You need talent plus maturity plus a diligent work ethic. Manziel has the talent, sure. The other 2 seem to be missing.
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I think the difference is that Leaf was not liked by his teammates or coaches at Washington State. The late, great Joel Buchsbaum really went into this when Leaf was heading for the draft.

I think Manziel's teammates like him. I think he's just a dumb, immature, spoiled kid who is out of touch with the realities of the world. He should be embracing college life at Texas A&M where I believe 95% of the people treat him like a god instead of focusing on the 5%.





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I guess they have tape and video of him signing but no tape of him accepting money. The video clip is pretty damaging thou, IMO.

He's basically saying that he would deny signing and never work with anybody who exposed him. Apparently 3 different sources have said that he has done signings for money for them.
 
Yakuza Rich said:
I think the difference is that Leaf was not liked by his teammates or coaches at Washington State. The late, great Joel Buchsbaum really went into this when Leaf was heading for the draft.

I think Manziel's teammates like him. I think he's just a dumb, immature, spoiled kid who is out of touch with the realities of the world. He should be embracing college life at Texas A&M where I believe 95% of the people treat him like a god instead of focusing on the 5%.
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Really, brah? Really..?!? That's the difference between Leaf and Manziel that will make the difference between one being a success and the other being a failure in the NFL?

Fact is we have no idea whatsoever what Manziel's teammates think of him, but it doesn't matter because it's completely irrelevant. As you said, he's a dumb, immature, spoiled kid who is out of touch with the realities of the world. And those personality types tend not to succeed at the professional level.
 
a&m joins SEC, gets in trouble with NCAA. who didn't see this coming?
 
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It's getting tougher and tougher for even the ridiculously inept and corrupt NCAA to ignore the growing evidence that Johnny autographed-Football signed for cash. If this was November or December, I could see them stonewalling through to the end of the season, but geez how do you ignore this story for 5 months?
 
Rogah said:
It's getting tougher and tougher for even the ridiculously inept and corrupt NCAA to ignore the growing evidence that Johnny autographed-Football signed for cash. If this was November or December, I could see them stonewalling through to the end of the season, but geez how do you ignore this story for 5 months?
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There is no hard evidence, just the word of autograph brokers. They need an actual money trail. Until they get that, there is little they can do. You can't take the word of autograph brokers. Those guys are slimy.
 
joseephuss said:
There is no hard evidence, just the word of autograph brokers. They need an actual money trail. Until they get that, there is little they can do. You can't take the word of autograph brokers. Those guys are slimy.
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In any court of law, the firsthand eyewitness accounts of 6 independent observers (especially ones with no reason to lie) would absolutely be considered hard evidence. Not to mention that there is actually a video out there of Manziel at an organized signing where he says "you never did this signing with me." But the NCAA is going to remain willfully ignorant because they are a greedy, corrupt organization interested only in the bottom line. They will gladly stonewall their own investigation so we can all see A&M-Alabama next month.

I fully expect the NCAA to announce sanctions against Manziel - sometime around March or April of next year.
 
joseephuss said:
There is no hard evidence, just the word of autograph brokers. They need an actual money trail. Until they get that, there is little they can do. You can't take the word of autograph brokers. Those guys are slimy.
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They don't actually need a money trail that leads directly back to Manziel. There is a clause in the NCAA rules, Bylaw 12.5.2.2 that says:

Bylaw 12.5.2.2 Use of a Student-Athlete's Name or Picture without Knowledge or permission

If a student-athlete’s name or picture appears on commercial items (e.g., T-shirts, sweatshirts,
serving trays, playing cards, posters, photographs) or is used to promote a commercial product
sold by an individual or agency without the student-athlete’s knowledge or permission, the
student-athlete (or the institution acting on behalf of the student-athlete) is required to take steps
to stop such an activity in order to retain his or her eligibility for intercollegiate athletics.

Now, this was originally designed to prevent publications or merchandising of Athletes likeness' however, it has been interpreted to be applicable to things such as memorabilia.

The NCAA has not said they would use this against Manziel but they certainly could try if they felt they wanted to do this, in lieu of a money trail.
 
Rogah said:
In any court of law, the firsthand eyewitness accounts of 6 independent observers (especially ones with no reason to lie) would absolutely be considered hard evidence. Not to mention that there is actually a video out there of Manziel at an organized signing where he says "you never did this signing with me." But the NCAA is going to remain willfully ignorant because they are a greedy, corrupt organization interested only in the bottom line. They will gladly stonewall their own investigation so we can all see A&M-Alabama next month.

I fully expect the NCAA to announce sanctions against Manziel - sometime around March or April of next year.
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I believe that's how they got A.J. Green. I don't think they actually ever found a money trail but they had eye witness statements that said he did it. Not 100% sure on that but I think that is what happened.
 
And all of this begs the argument of whether or not student athletes should be paid.
 
BoysFan4ever said:
And all of this begs the argument of whether or not student athletes should be paid.
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I don't think so. I mean, I completely understand why a lot of people might think they should be but, if you do, that will skew recruiting terribly.

Until somebody can come up with a way to do it so that there is no benefit to the recruiting process, I don't really think you can pay them.
 
BoysFan4ever said:
And all of this begs the argument of whether or not student athletes should be paid.
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Manziels comes from a wealthy family. His situation really is not a good example of whether student athletes should be paid or not.
 
I haven't sat down & thought about it much really but it would seem they should be allowed to be paid something.
 
BoysFan4ever said:
I haven't sat down & thought about it much really but it would seem they should be allowed to be paid something.
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But how do you cap that? If you pay all the Athletes the same amount, then what you will have are people who claim that cost of living is greater in one area over another. Then you will have to pay more for some college students which will lend itself to cheating. It also introduces the concept of overall sales of merchandise. For example, if player A, who plays for USC is selling more merchandise then player B who happens to play for Georgia, then player A will eventually take action to be paid more. That then introduces the concept of college profiles. A school like USC will be more attractive and thus, sell more stuff, which will be and advantage in recruiting.

I just don't think it will work.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/law-trouble-brokers-manziel-case-19972344

Law Could Be Trouble for Brokers in Manziel Case


If Johnny Manziel did violate NCAA rules by receiving money for signing autographs, a Texas law could put the people who allegedly paid him at risk of being sued by Texas A&M.

Christian Dennie, an attorney with Barlow Garsek & Simon, LLP in Fort Worth, Texas, writes on the firm's website ( http://******/16eiX4I ) that the state of Texas passed legislation in 1987 to make "a person who violates a rule of a national collegiate athletic association ... liable for damages in an action brought by an institution."

To be liable, the person must have known or reasonably should have known a rule was violated and the violation must lead to disciplinary action against the student or institution."

Manziel, who became the first freshman to win the Heisman last year, is being investigated by the NCAA. ESPN has reported it is for possibly receiving payment from memorabilia brokers for signing autographs in Florida, Connecticut and Texas this year. If he is found to have been paid for signing, it could compromise is amateur status and put his eligibility at risk.
 
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