Need at safety

[jblaze2004]

We still have a big need a safety. We cannot and I repeat cannot let what happen to heath last year happen again. We need better safety play or qb's will continue to just throw the ball up and watch our safeties embarrass themselves. What safeties in round 1,2 or 3 are worth taking?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

We still have a big need a safety. We cannot and I repeat cannot let what happen to heath last year happen again. We need better safety play or qb's will continue to just throw the ball up and watch our safeties embarrass themselves. What safeties in round 1,2 or 3 are worth taking?

None. Because they won't be drafting any.

 

[reddyuta]

None. Because they won't be drafting any.

I will take this bet.

 

[Alexander]

"We like where we are at safety."

What we will be looking for is someone like Ward or Joyner who have just as much value at nickel/slot CB as anything else.

 

[jblaze2004]

I hope we don't ride it out with last years group of safeties smh

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I will take this bet.

I should have qualified, that they won't be drafting any in the first 3 rounds.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I should have qualified, that they won't be drafting any in the first 3 rounds.

This. There may be some good safeties in the 1st three rounds but Dallas would be best served shoring up the front seven on defense or the trenches on offense in those rounds.

 

[DFWJC]

We did kind of throw those rookies to the wolves last year. Hardly a fair assessment given our lack of pass rush.

Still, there is a need at FS and I could see them taking one sometime on draft day. I doubt it's early, but if Ward is there in the 2nd or maybe Brooks in the 3rd, it could happen.

 

[cbow44]

Did you forget about Matt Johnson!!!

 

[jblaze2004]

Did you forget about Matt Johnson!!!

aaaahhhhh forgot about the great matt johson

 

[Alexander]

This. There may be some good safeties in the 1st three rounds but Dallas would be best served shoring up the front seven on defense or the trenches on offense in those rounds.

They are not going to throw in the towel on Wilcox that soon either.

A real true safety is not something I see us going after in the early rounds.

We would not even do it for a good one in Reid last year (saying "it was too rich" for one).

I can see them taking Ward or Joyner in the second, if available. Part of their charm is that they can play the slot, can tackle and are physical. That is what I think we want mainly because Webb proved he could not handle it and Scandrick won't be around forever.

It is also why have to chuckle a bit when I see "experts" like McShay mocking a safety like Bucannon to the Cowboys.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

They are not going to throw in the towel on Wilcox that soon either.

A real true safety is not something I see us going after in the early rounds.

We would not even do it for a good one in Reid last year (saying "it was too rich" for one).

I can see them taking Ward or Joyner in the second, if available. Part of their charm is that they can play the slot, can tackle and are physical. That is what I think we want mainly because Webb proved he could not handle it and Scandrick won't be around forever.

It is also why have to chuckle a bit when I see "experts" like McShay mocking a safety like Bucannon to the Cowboys.

This X2

 

[Zimmy Lives]

They are not going to throw in the towel on Wilcox that soon either.

A real true safety is not something I see us going after in the early rounds.

We would not even do it for a good one in Reid last year (saying "it was too rich" for one).

I can see them taking Ward or Joyner in the second, if available. Part of their charm is that they can play the slot, can tackle and are physical. That is what I think we want mainly because Webb proved he could not handle it and Scandrick won't be around forever.

It is also why have to chuckle a bit when I see "experts" like McShay mocking a safety like Bucannon to the Cowboys.

Well said! A high draft pick rookie safety will not help this team immediately unless he is the second coming of Ed Reed x2. Give Wilcox (and the dude that is always hurt and has never played a down) a chance before they go shopping for more safeties.

 

[tm1119]

They are not going to throw in the towel on Wilcox that soon either.

A real true safety is not something I see us going after in the early rounds.

We would not even do it for a good one in Reid last year (saying "it was too rich" for one).

I can see them taking Ward or Joyner in the second, if available. Part of their charm is that they can play the slot, can tackle and are physical. That is what I think we want mainly because Webb proved he could not handle it and Scandrick won't be around forever.

It is also why have to chuckle a bit when I see "experts" like McShay mocking a safety like Bucannon to the Cowboys.

So you're saying Webb isn't good enough but Wilcox should be the starter? How exactly does that work?

 

[Alexander]

So you're saying Webb isn't good enough but Wilcox should be the starter? How exactly does that work?

Ward or Joyner replacing Webb as a slot CB/nickel player? Leave Church and Wilcox as the safeties. I am sure either player could be mixed into other subpackages as well. There is more to it than just your standard stock thought process of having FS/SS with the CBs. The way the game is evolving, having that strong DB capable of doing both CB and S duties becomes valuable.

 

[Alexander]

I hope we don't ride it out with last years group of safeties smh

Get a better pass rush, stronger nickel packages and eliminate Heath from a significant role, we might be okay.

 

[Alexander]

Well said! A high draft pick rookie safety will not help this team immediately unless he is the second coming of Ed Reed x2. Give Wilcox (and the dude that is always hurt and has never played a down) a chance before they go shopping for more safeties.

I am not as much about caring if Wilcox and Johnson get a shot as I am picking my poison. If I get a shot at a flexible player, especially Joyner, I want that, then work on the other defensive issues. It is not like our defensive failures can be blamed exclusively on the safety play. That is extremely narrow thinking. They were part, a big part. But I do not see an Ed Reed or Earl Thomas in this draft. I do see some who could possibly do what Mathieu did for Arizona.

 

[tm1119]

Ward or Joyner replacing Webb as a slot CB/nickel player? Leave Church and Wilcox as the safeties. I am sure either player could be mixed into other subpackages as well. There is more to it than just your standard stock thought process of having FS/SS with the CBs. The way the game is evolving, having that strong DB capable of doing both CB and S duties becomes valuable.

No, what I'm asking you is why do you have 2 completely different views on 2 small school DB's who both struggled their rookie years? You're saying Webb needs to be replaced and can't play, but Wilcox should start. It makes no sense.

 

[ceerrece]

aaaahhhhh forgot about the great matt johson

Matt Johnson got injured last week clipping his nails.

 

[Alexander]

No, what I'm asking you is why do you have 2 completely different views on 2 small school DB's who both struggled their rookie years? You're saying Webb needs to be replaced and can't play, but Wilcox should start. It makes no sense.

Because I saw more from Wilcox to suggest he gets it more than Webb. Wilcox had injury issues but was very good in the first Philadelphia game. He needs a lot of refinement.

Webb was tentative whenever he got on the field and his role was not that great that it should have been overwhelming but it was. When we signed Sterling Moore back, we got a little better. Not really even because Moore has better physical skills but he has a better mentality. Webb looks soft and played that way.

I am not suggesting Wilcox is a world beater.

I just think getting that extra slot/versatile DB who could do multiple roles between CB/S is more valuable than just drafting Wilcox's replacement to pair with Church. I can say based off last season, Wilcox has a better chance to develop into a player than Webb who looked like he did not want to play hard at times.

A large part of team building is getting players to know their jobs, even if it is very specific, and do it very well.