Nets Trade for Deron Williams

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MC KAos;3854853 said:
i somewhat agree with you but not to that extent, plus miami doesnt deserve to be one of 8 cities with a team, they have 3 superstars and cant even fill their arena? thats sad! ("FAN UP MIAMI!!!"). they should cut it down to 24 and add the players on the contracted teams to the regular draft (with the contracts included) if a former player is not picked, the league should buy out the remainder of their contract. some candidates to be contracted should be....


charlotte, toronto, sactown and minny

Obviously I was exaggerating..but it really is stupid. It really puts things into perspective to how well the NFL is run..the heat would only have a team because of their trio in my fantasy NBA lol..the NFL is so awesome
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3854835 said:
the Nets were a bottom 5 team before this. How is this a bad trade?

The damage is done, they wont even make the playoffs , but going forward Deron and Brooklyn is a much bigger draw for Dwight.

If Bynum keeps getting hurt then Lopez is easily the best trade chip to Orlando.

To quote Bill Walton

"This move is hooooooooooorrible" :laugh2:

It reeks of desperation and the huge problem is, Derron Williams is a free agent in 2012. As noted, the Nets won't make the playoffs this year and barring a huge signing will struggle to make the playoffs in 2011-12. I'd argue there's a better chance Derron leaves to go to NYK, LAL or DAL than Dwight Howard going to the Nets.
 

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MC KAos;3854863 said:
my apologies then, but to answer your question, i dont think they are on that same level, but i think they improve drastically from what they were Pre trade, if the season were starting again from now id think they make the playoffs. another thing is that in 4 or 5 years they will have a much easier time selling this team to free agents with Dwill then they would have been able to do with devin harris or favors or any draft pick they would have gotten. (for instance, the pick the nets gave up will probably be used on jimmer freddette, a guy i think compares a lot to kirk heinrech(sp?) or jj reddick)

and i would agree with you rose has been the best PG this year, but Dwill is stronger (saying a lot, rose is very strong) and can post up most PG's plus he plays exceptional defense. It seemed every time they played the hornets he dominated CP3

but anywho, i dont think you could have a conversation about top 3 point guards without including rose and Dwill

ps this will revitalize brook lopez's career!!

At no turn am I criticizing Williams. I can't honestly think of another PG I'd rather have over him - maybe a John Wall if he develops a long range jumper because of how fast he is and his assist game is insane, and he also plays very good defense. There are still good point guards in the league, but Williams is easily top 3.

But you mention luring free agents - who? LeBron is signed, Bosh is signed, Wade is signed, Kobe's going nowhere. You're pretty much hoping and praying that Dwight Howard wants to play for the Nets, which is ridiculous considering he'll have offers from Boston, probably the Bulls, and undoubtedly the Lakers. Dirk's not going anywhere, and none of the other swing players in the NBA are worth it or good enough to compete with the other guys in the NBA now that Melo got his wish. The only other guy that's even worth consideration in the next couple of seasons is Blake Griffin, and I firmly believe he's just going to move his locker across the hall too.

On top of that - how do you plan to acquire anyone other than through free agency? You have no picks now worth dealing over the course of the next two years if you're Prokorov. It's an insanely stupid deal - I'd change my tune if they were able to hang on to the draft picks. Even in weak upcoming draft classes, they could still have used those picks to try and get guys off other teams. Now they have to try and fill role players around Williams and Lopez and try to compete with teams that are still head-and-shoulders better.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3855041 said:
:laugh2:

They were on such a bright path until they acquired a top 2/3 PG and wrecked everything

in 2012, when u guys have no derreck favors, no first round pick from this year and no derron williams you'll see why i'm laughing
 

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And I forgot, too - Kevin Durant is going NOWHERE any time soon, he just signed an extension.

There are literally no decent swingmen available for the Nets over the course of the next 4 seasons at the very least. I agree with Manwiththeplan. Horrible trade.
 

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Manwiththeplan;3855075 said:
in 2012, when u guys have no derreck favors, no first round pick from this year and no derron williams you'll see why i'm laughing


We have our pick in 2012. Along with the Lakers pick this year and the Rockets pick next year

You can find swingmen in the league. Top PG's and top C's are harder to find.

And if Dwight is chirping for a trade and extension next year, they are an attractive option.
 

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I'm trying to figure out why the Nets would make this deal...

Is there news of Deron signing an extension? Do they have any assurances that he will be there beyond this contract? Doesn't sound like it. So are they banking that Deron will attract the big names in the future?

Right now, just sounds to me like the Nets were desperate to make a deal.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3855091 said:
We have our pick in 2012. Along with the Lakers pick this year and the Rockets pick next year

You can find swingmen in the league. Top PG's and top C's are harder to find.

And if Dwight is chirping for a trade and extension next year, they are an attractive option.


LOL, the Lakers and Rockets picks will be inconsequential. The pick you're sending to Utah will likely be a top 6 pick. And a mid round pick in 2012 won't be much either. Right now you guys have a limited amount of time to get better or you lose Williams for nothing.
 

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One Western Conference executive gave Prokhorov an "A+++++++" calling the Williams trade "masterful ... this is one of the best maneuvers I've seen in a while."



You guys are we todd did
 

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BTW. Deron Williams has a player option for the season after next season for almost $18M.

At that point the CBA should reduce salaries and any new contract wouldnt pay him nearly that at its max.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3855139 said:
You guys are we todd did

so tell me, when do you think Derron will sign an extension? If he doesn't before the new CBA rules take effect, is it safe to assume there is a decent chance that he leaves?
 

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I don't get the hate for the move. Favors is a big "if". He's got good upside, but has shown nothing to date. Harris was gone this season, one way or another. Every Nets fan knows this. Hell, the Nets have been putting up "All Harris items 50% off" signs in the stadium stores all year.

Further more, they only gave up 1 first round pick, the other one that Utah is getting is Golden States (and was virtually free, considering Troy Murphy has barely even been involved in practices for the Nets). It sucks that the pick is unprotected, but the Nets could easily end up with the 9th worst record (out of 13 total lottery teams) and this year's draft is going to suck anyway.

The Nets got Williams for about half what they were willing to give Denver for Anthony...and half what the Knicks ultimately sent the Nuggets.

Now, is this trade going to make the Nets a title contender? HECK no. But if you have a chance to acquire a franchise player, you do it. They have Lopez, who will be playing with the first decent passer he's ever had. Kris Humphries has been an absolute revelation this year. They still have cap room ($19M this summer, $26M even further down the road), though not that much if they can extend Williams and Hump gets a pay raise. They still have a ton of draft picks and expirings they can use as trade bait. They have some guys who can be good bench players on a contender already (Morrow, Vujacic).

This move doesn't mean everything is finished. But it makes sense.
 

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Manwiththeplan;3855157 said:
so tell me, when do you think Derron will sign an extension? If he doesn't before the new CBA rules take effect, is it safe to assume there is a decent chance that he leaves?


He isnt allowed to re-sign until July 18th. IMO what he does depends totally on the financials.

Hes got a (hot) wife who is pregnant, I think you could do worse than settling down in the NY/NJ area and making +$10M-$20M more than anywhere else

They made a similar move for Jason Kidd who everyone thought was going to leave after a year.

They will have cap room and assets for trades, I think they want to get him another star to play with. I give us heavy odds to re-sign him. And even if we dont right away, logic dictates that he picks up that player option.
 

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Uh-oh

Seems Derron Williams isn't eligable to sign an extension untill July (new CBA rules will be in effect). So no scare tactics for the Nets :eek:

Also, it's note worthy that Dwight Howard can sign an extension at any point, and if you believed that Melo would feel forced to sign one if traded to the Nets, you have to feel Dwight Howard will re-up with Orlando now, instead of waiting till after the new CBA rules are in effect.

Unless the new CBA has a franchise tag (which David Stern has said isn't something he's for) the nets are screwed
 

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Correction: Apparently the GS pick is from a pervious trade (and heavily protected).
 

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Manwiththeplan;3855075 said:
in 2012, when u guys have no derreck favors, no first round pick from this year and no derron williams you'll see why i'm laughing

Considering it's the nets this will probably(Hopefully) happen. If Deron Williams is on the open market the mavs have a good chance at getting him, similar to the melo situation he loves Dallas and will embrace being in his hometown.

If NYK gets a PG it will likely be CP3.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3855169 said:
making +$10M-$20M more than anywhere else

Not accurate at all. Baring drastic changes to the CBA, teams can resign their own free agents to max deals with 10% raises. Teams can sign other teams free agents for the same max deal, but with 5% raises. Over the course of a 4 year deal, he would make less than 5 million more with the Nets as opposed to another team.
 

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His player option is for $18M(people are projecting new contracts to go down from that kind of number). He could tack an extension onto that. Then the raises start from there and its also another year of guaranteed money.
 
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