Nets Trade for Deron Williams

[Manwiththeplan]

His player option is for $18M(people are projecting new contracts to go down from that kind of number). He could tack an extension onto that. Then the raises start from there and its also another year of guaranteed money.

If max contracts drop, there's no way the Nets would be able to pay him 18 mil. Even if your logic is right, that all but eliminates Dwight Howard as a potential FA and makes it far more likely Derron Williams forces a trade.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

If max contracts drop, there's no way the Nets would be able to pay him 18 mil. Even if your logic is right, that all but eliminates Dwight Howard as a potential FA and makes it far more likely Derron Williams forces a trade.

They could tack an extension on top of his $18M for that season.

Reading Larry Coon it really doesnt sound like they will roll back already existing contracts. So Deron can get his $18M in that season from the Nets before max contracts go down.


BTW, do you see the kind of hypotheticals that is now being discussed? Dwight Howard as a potential free agent? Teaming up w/ a guy he has reportedly talked about playing with. You dont think this was a great roll of the dice? You really think they were better off w/ the 8th overall pick in a draft being described as the worst in 25 years?

 

[YosemiteSam]

How in hell can anyone be a Nets fan?!!?!?

 

[peplaw06]

How in hell can anyone be a Nets fan?!!?!?

He was a big Keith Van Horn fan (Great White Hope) and it just stuck.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

They could tack an extension on top of his $18M for that season.

Reading Larry Coon it really doesnt sound like they will roll back already existing contracts. So Deron can get his $18M in that season from the Nets before max contracts go down.

I don't think current deals will get rolled back either, but any deals signed after the new CBA goes into effect, will have different rules. For example it's doubtful you will be allowed to just give raises on new deals, if future contracts are lowered. If Max deals are dropped to 25% instead of the 30% they are now for players with 7 years, the extension NJ will be allowed to offer will likely start there at 25% of the cap.

If Max deals are rolled back, yeah he may not opt out, but that still doesn't help you guys with the notion that he'll bounce when his deal is up

BTW, do you see the kind of hypotheticals that is now being discussed? Dwight Howard as a potential free agent? Teaming up w/ a guy he has reportedly talked about playing with. You dont think this was a great roll of the dice? You really think they were better off w/ the 8th overall pick in a draft being described as the worst in 25 years?

Dwight Howard is a huge long shot. For starters, he can sign an extension before a new CBA is agreed upon, so I don't see why he wouldn't. Second, you guys aren't even likey his most attractive location. Playing with Kobe and Pau Gasol is far more attractive than Derron and Lopez.

As far as keeping a pick that at worst will be 9th (better chance of being higher) and Favors, I think that was the smart and patient thing to so. I just don't see any incentive for Derron to stay when NJ will be an 7th or 8th seed at best next year.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I don't think current deals will get rolled back either, but any deals signed after the new CBA goes into effect, will have different rules. For example it's doubtful you will be allowed to just give raises on new deals, if future contracts are lowered. If Max deals are dropped to 25% instead of the 30% they are now for players with 7 years, the extension NJ will be allowed to offer will likely start there at 25% of the cap.

If Max deals are rolled back, yeah he may not opt out, but that still doesn't help you guys with the notion that he'll bounce when his deal is up

W/ all these stars starting to hook up I do believe they will keep rules in place for teams to pay their own players more. Typically its been an extra year of guaranteed money. Hopefully that and his $18M player option helps. Plus, where else is he going to go thats a better option? The Knicks for 50% of what the Nets can pay him? And worst comes to worse they can trade him.

Dwight Howard is a huge long shot. For starters, he can sign an extension before a new CBA is agreed upon, so I don't see why he wouldn't. Second, you guys aren't even likey his most attractive location. Playing with Kobe and Pau Gasol is far more attractive than Derron and Lopez.

Of course, but how would Dwight get there? Orlando wouldnt want to be saddled w/ Bynums contract and knees. And honestly, those guys will be older by then so on the court its a wash. Dwight and Deron playing together for 8 years would be beautiful. Theyve talked about it before(so has every young player, but this scenario is taking some shape). Like I said, the Nets could trade Lopez, cash, picks, and filler to the Magic at next years deadline if Dwight is acting shady.

As far as keeping a pick that at worst will be 9th (better chance of being higher) and Favors, I think that was the smart and patient thing to so. I just don't see any incentive for Derron to stay when NJ will be an 7th or 8th seed at best next year.

Grasping at straws. This draft is terrible. People are talking about Jimmer Freddete going in that spot. Yea, Ill take my chances with Deron

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I guess we'll see when the new CBA comes out. Couple of things that could happen, some good some bad.

-the dreaded franchise tag. I don't think it can function the same as it's NFL counter-part b/c you could effectively keep a player forever, but it's possible it could be included in a new CBA
-A Hard salary cap. This would actually be good for NY, DAL, MIA and LAL, because the everyone says the cap would have to go up in order to have a hard cap. At Minimum it would rise to the luxary tax level ($70 mil), which would mean NYK would have enough for a 3rd max.
-A role back of current contracts. Very unlikely, maybe like a 1% or 2% roll back or even just decreased raises each year, but I'm not counting on this.
-Roll back on new max deals. Definately will happen imo. Right now players w/ 10+ years experience can get up to 35% of the cap. Players w/ 7-9 get 30% and players 4-6 get 25%. I expect all of these to drop by like 5%. This would be bad for NJ.
-Max Contracts remain the same, but the cap goes down. Best case scenario for NJ (outside of the franchise tag) and a bigger long shot than current deals being rolled back.
-Contracts aren't as garunteed. Really no bearing on the dwill situation, but it's something I see happening that allows NBA teams to not spend as much money. Max contracts are 5 years if you sign with a new club, only the first 3 can be garunteed. If you resign with your old club 4 out of the 6 are garunteed. Almost a neccesity if there is a hard cap.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think the star players have proven to be worth the top dollars and more. Lebron alone was worth like $200M to the Cavs.

I think they could get away w/ keeping the cap about the same and max contracts roughly the same. One thing I think they need is for teams to be able to release 1 guy per year and not still have to pay him. These Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Eddy Curry deals are just cap killers. It makes teams tank for years in order to burn it off. I dont see the stars fighting it b/c they knew they arent going to get cut and anyone who gets cut clearly didnt deserve the money so whats their real beef? Stay in shape, stay out of trouble, stay off steroids and theres no problem.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think the star players have proven to be worth the top dollars and more. Lebron alone was worth like $200M to the Cavs.

I think they could get away w/ keeping the cap about the same and max contracts roughly the same. One thing I think they need is for teams to be able to release 1 guy per year and not still have to pay him. These Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Eddy Curry deals are just cap killers. It makes teams tank for years in order to burn it off. I dont see the stars fighting it b/c they knew they arent going to get cut and anyone who gets cut clearly didnt deserve the money so whats their real beef? Stay in shape, stay out of trouble, stay off steroids and theres no problem.

yeah, I definately think garunteed deals will be phased out

 

[MC KAos]

dont forget Dwill took the jazz to the west finals in 07 with boozer and some no more than decent players. the nets should easily make the playoffs next year (5 or 6 seed). u can build a team around Dwill thats more defensive minded like the pistons. You dont need 3 superstars to win in the NBA if you have a lot of really good players. look at the spurs and mavs. the mavs are nothing without dirk, but with him and a lot of solid players they are good. the spurs dont have a dominant player anymore, just a collection of better than average players. i dont think the whole superteam thing is gonna work unless the cap goes up drastically or players sign minimum contracts just to win with them

 

[baj1dallas]

Wow..this came out of nowhere..

Dwill isn't better than Melo though..but it's probably close

Yes he is. His mediocre Utah team has advanced out of the first round of the playoffs every year he's got them in. Including beating Melo's Nuggets last year when Denver had home court. Melo might score more points but that doesn't make him a better player. DWill makes his teammates better and is a winner. That makes him a better player.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

dont forget Dwill took the jazz to the west finals in 07 with boozer and some no more than decent players. the nets should easily make the playoffs next year (5 or 6 seed).

Can't see them being better than

Boston
Miami
Chicago
Orlando
Atlanta
NY Knicks

next season, so at best they're the 7th seed. Add to that I don't think they'll be better than Philly and I really think they're competing with the rest of the east for the 8th seed

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Yes he is. His mediocre Utah team has advanced out of the first round of the playoffs every year he's got them in. Including beating Melo's Nuggets last year when Denver had home court. Melo might score more points but that doesn't make him a better player. DWill makes his teammates better and is a winner. That makes him a better player.

Been thinking the same thing. Carmelo is great, but PG is a more important position. Congrats MB4.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Been thinking the same thing. Carmelo is great, but PG is a more important position. Congrats MB4.

I know right.

Its like someone handed a starving man a steak and people come up to him like "They say that gets stuck in your colon for years, you might regret that down the line".

Deron is that steak stuck in my colon

 

[MC KAos]

Can't see them being better than

Boston
Miami
Chicago
Orlando
Atlanta
NY Knicks

next season, so at best they're the 7th seed. Add to that I don't think they'll be better than Philly and I really think they're competing with the rest of the east for the 8th seed

i guarantee you that this wont be the top 6 seeds next year, put it on your sig or something, but there is no way it stays that way, it never does in this league, who would have thought the spurs and mavs would be 1 and 2 at this point at the beginning of the year? i dont know how it will shake up, but i know it wont be those teams, which is the expected.

when are the nets moving to Brooklyn anyway? next season or 2012?

 

[rash]

I know right.

Its like someone handed a starving man a steak and people come up to him like "They say that gets stuck in your colon for years, you might regret that down the line".

Deron is that steak stuck in my colon

"apples and oranges"...

but I totally get what you mean. I don't think the Nets owner is an idiot, as this wasn't a bad trade at all