New HGH test emerges

[gmoney112]

Who is he? And allowed him to do what?

...allowed him to cut fat and maintain his strength. HGH does not do that. Steroids do that. That is literally why they are taken. Testosterone enanthate will have 100x the effect at maintaining/building muscle mass while cutting fat than HGH ever could, and adding on other compounds such as Winstrol, Dianabol, only enhances the effect.

Saying HGH was responsible for his results while he was on who knows how many other steroidal compounds is downright ignorant man.

 

[TheSport78]

...allowed him to cut fat and maintain his strength. HGH does not do that. Steroids do that. That is literally why they are taken. Testosterone enanthate will have 100x the effect at maintaining/building muscle mass while cutting fat than HGH ever could, and adding on other compounds such as Winstrol, Dianabol, only enhances the effect.

Saying HGH was responsible for his results while he was on who knows how many other steroidal compounds is downright ignorant man.

WHO IS HE??? HGH SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES YOUR BODY FAT, especially athletes who are active and have great metabolisms. CERTAIN steroids cut you up like Winstrol but others will just get you big and bloated, and more prone to injury. HGH actually does the opposite, it decreases your chance of getting injured, and if you do become injured, you heal a lot quicker. You don't know what you're talking about, man. We're not talking about test boosters and stuff like that, we're talking about HGH. Don't try to change the subject.

Once again, I don't know who "he" is but as soon as you tell me, I can tell you that HGH was PARTLY responsible for his results, and who knows what else he was taking.

 

[gmoney112]

WHO IS HE??? HGH SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES YOUR BODY FAT, especially athletes who are active and have great metabolisms. CERTAIN steroids cut you up like Winstrol but others will just get you big and bloated, and more prone to injury. HGH actually does the opposite, it decreases your chance of getting injured, and if you do become injured, you heal a lot quicker. You don't know what you're talking about, man. We're not talking about test boosters and stuff like that, we're talking about HGH. Don't try to change the subject.

Once again, I don't know who "he" is but as soon as you tell me, I can tell you that HGH was PARTLY responsible for his results, and who knows what else he was taking.

I'm talking about the "wrestlers that used HGH to get cut up". Testosterone at 500mg weekly should put on 20-30 lb's of LBM in a 10 week period, so I don't really know what you're talking about. So when you say he used HGH along with a normal cycle, there is absolutely no way you can pinpoint HGH as the compound that cut him up. That's like taking 800mg Test a week, 40mg Dianabol, putting on a good 30 pounds and saying the multivitamin I took every day contributed significant amount.

I'm done responding anyways. I suggest you google HGH and it's effect on users. It's obvious you don't really know what you're talking about, so I'll leave it at that. The information is out there if you're actually willing to educate yourself on a topic instead of doing whatever you're doing here.

 

[Thatkidbob]

I'm talking about the "wrestlers that used HGH to get cut up". Testosterone at 500mg weekly should put on 20-30 lb's of LBM in a 10 week period, so I don't really know what you're talking about. So when you say he used HGH along with a normal cycle, there is absolutely no way you can pinpoint HGH as the compound that cut him up. That's like taking 800mg Test a week, 40mg Dianabol, putting on a good 30 pounds and saying the multivitamin I took every day contributed significant amount.

I'm done responding anyways. I suggest you google HGH and it's effect on users. It's obvious you don't really know what you're talking about, so I'll leave it at that. The information is out there if you're actually willing to educate yourself on a topic instead of doing whatever you're doing here.

I won't claim to know anything about HGH (except that it causes growth of the bones and internal organs), but I do know a fair bit about gear, and this dude is right on about the effects.

 

[T-RO]

Suddenly posters whom I never see on this forum appear out of nowhere to seemingly pitch something.

Things that make you go, 'Hmmmmm."

But go ahead and pm these fools, suckers. I'm sure they'll hook you up with someone with ties to a fountain of youth (and no side effects).

 

[Hypnotoad]

You are wrong. And no Hypno, oral administration of HGH will have no effect on a user. Intramural HGH will have a pronounced effect on someone with declining HGH levels, ie: someone in their late 40's and on. Don't let tens of years of medical practice and case studies soil your personal uneducated theories.

Edit: My father's neurologist in North Park, Dallas has personally treated several Cowboys/Rangers players with the same type of HRT(retired of course). You should contact him and tell him how ineffective HGH treatment is, I'm sure you are more than qualified.

Taking HGH orally will probably result in you failing your urine test too. I doubt I said anything about taking it orally... I wonder if you are actually reading what I'm posting. I clearly have said HGH is effective that's why I feel there should be a blood test for it in the NFL. If it does nothing, why would I care...

 

[Hoofbite]

dude, gmoney, players don't take HGH to improve their life expectancy. They use it as a supplement to work out. If it doesn't do anything, why are they taking it?

 

[tunahelper]

In my personal opinion, HGH should be bought and traded freely because it has no dangerous side effects. Imagine being able to increase your metabolism, have a thicker head of hair, stronger bone density, and thicker, younger looking skin!

Its well documented to increase certain types of cancer cells within the body. Leukemia is a major risk if you are prediposed already.

 

[BigWillie]

Taking HGH orally will probably result in you failing your urine test too. I doubt I said anything about taking it orally... I wonder if you are actually reading what I'm posting. I clearly have said HGH is effective that's why I feel there should be a blood test for it in the NFL. If it does nothing, why would I care...

In all this 'knowledgeable' talk you were trying to go with, you had to say this.

It is absolutely impossible to take HGH orally. Stomach acids eat HGH before ever reaching the blood stream.

There are however these nearly worthless 'oral HGH tablets' which are essentially amino acid stacks. They stimulate your pituitary gland, to the effect as if you were thirsty and only drank a shot glass of water. It does something, but essentially nothing.

You also said ..

So if a person takes additional HGH they are increasing their physical recovery.

Again, untrue for most athletes. HGH use is variable from person to person. The same as insulin use would be variable for athletes who choose this advantage.

You cannot just pump this stuff in your veins, gain more and more, but not see disadvantages.

On the norm, you would take at most 2ius in-cycle for most athletes. Body-builders who use HGH would take double, and some triple while in-cycle. But the side effects of taking such doses is incredibly risky. You would gain more results at the same risks by taking testosterone than you would taking those amounts of HGH.

Unless you want to end up looking like Andre the Giant facially and physically, high HGH use is not recommended. And really, a prime aged athlete would really need no HGH as the amounts being produced by their body is likely more than that of the 'Average Joe'.

An athlete on the downside of their career, approaching 40 when HGH levels begin to fall off a cliff, and are struggling from injuries will find benefit from HGH. But without the use of androgens and anabolics the real benefit is nil in the complete scheme of things.

The biggest problem in almost any sport is how athletes are consistently beating blood doping procedures. That should be the single biggest focus instead of chasing the ghost of HGH.

 

[tunahelper]

HGH significantly reduces body fat and increases lean muscle mass tremendously, especially for athletes in their 20s and 30s.

Less body fat, more lean muscle mass: unfair, competitive advantage

Bingo! It is site specific as well. You can take insulin needles and add it to say your chin and it will suck the fat away.

I know several people who use this stuff and get it through doctors. They were told Hollywood is also rampant with its usage, due to its site specific fat reduction. I guess this why California is filled with anti-aging clinics.

 

[Hypnotoad]

In all this 'knowledgeable' talk you were trying to go with, you had to say this.

It is absolutely impossible to take HGH orally. Stomach acids eat HGH before ever reaching the blood stream.

There are however these nearly worthless 'oral HGH tablets' which are essentially amino acid stacks. They stimulate your pituitary gland, to the effect as if you were thirsty and only drank a shot glass of water. It does something, but essentially nothing.

Hence it comes out in your PEE and is detectable in a PEE TEST. If it is orally ingested it will get filtered through your pee. If your not putting it in your blood your putting it in your stomach and therefore you will FAIL your urine test. I don't really know where i mis-spoke.

I said:

Taking HGH orally will probably result in you failing your urine test too

I was agreeing with gmoney when he said "oral administration of HGH will have no effect on a user."

You also said ..

So if a person takes additional HGH they are increasing their physical recovery.

Again, untrue for most athletes. HGH use is variable from person to person. The same as insulin use would be variable for athletes who choose this advantage.

You cannot just pump this stuff in your veins, gain more and more, but not see disadvantages.

On the norm, you would take at most 2ius in-cycle for most athletes. Body-builders who use HGH would take double, and some triple while in-cycle. But the side effects of taking such doses is incredibly risky. You would gain more results at the same risks by taking testosterone than you would taking those amounts of HGH.

Unless you want to end up looking like Andre the Giant facially and physically, high HGH use is not recommended. And really, a prime aged athlete would really need no HGH as the amounts being produced by their body is likely more than that of the 'Average Joe'.

An athlete on the downside of their career, approaching 40 when HGH levels begin to fall off a cliff, and are struggling from injuries will find benefit from HGH. But without the use of androgens and anabolics the real benefit is nil in the complete scheme of things.

The biggest problem in almost any sport is how athletes are consistently beating blood doping procedures. That should be the single biggest focus instead of chasing the ghost of HGH.

I dunno man, I'm pretty sure keeping the dosage of HGH consistent in a person will help their muscles recover quicker. Just have to find the level that's right for you. Also, I dont think HGH makes people grow taller and such (not after your growth plates have fused - but in combination with another substance could increase your size)

Also, I don't think you know what sports test blood. How can you even claim "biggest problem in almost any sport is how athletes are consistently beating blood doping procedures" when three major sports leagues NBA, NFL, and MLB don't even do blood testing. I think Cycling and Olympics test blood and their tests seem just fine. Maybe too intrusive as I hear cyclists complain all the time.

 

[BigWillie]

Hence it comes out in your PEE and is detectable in a PEE TEST. If it is orally ingested it will get filtered through your pee. If your not putting it in your blood your putting it in your stomach and therefore you will FAIL your urine test. I don't really know where i mis-spoke.

I said:

Taking HGH orally will probably result in you failing your urine test too

I was agreeing with gmoney when he said "oral administration of HGH will have no effect on a user."

Again, read closely what I said.

It is amino acid stacks. You will not test positive for HGH because it is not HGH, and contains no traces of HGH. You could take a urine test every single day while taking these pills and never test positive for HGH.

Again, closely, if it contained ANY trace of HGH, it would be destroyed by your stomach acids. Which is why it is IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ORALLY INGESTED.

I dunno man, I'm pretty sure keeping the dosage of HGH consistent in a person will help their muscles recover quicker. Just have to find the level that's right for you. Also, I dont think HGH makes people grow taller and such (not after your growth plates have fused - but in combination with another substance could increase your size)

Also, I don't think you know what sports test blood. How can you even claim "biggest problem in almost any sport is how athletes are consistently beating blood doping procedures" when three major sports leagues NBA, NFL, and MLB don't even do blood testing. I think Cycling and Olympics test blood and their tests seem just fine. Maybe too intrusive as I hear cyclists complain all the time.

Why would you not think HGH continues to make you grow?

HGH stimulates the pituitary which allows naturally produced GH to be more abundant in the body. Increased levels of GH leads to acromegaly, or gigantism (according to your age).

Acromegaly alone, without GH injections, happens because your body produces too much GH. Normally, a tumor will develop on your pituitary gland, and over-stimulation will occur.

You are somewhat correct in that once your 'plates' are closed, you will not continue to grow in height. Acromegaly only occurs in adults once your growth plates have closed. The plates you are referring to are your epiphyseal plates. However, when these plates close, you will still grow, just not vertically. Basically, you put on abnormal amounts of weight and becomes difficult to control weight gain.

Infact, this is the #1 and most well known side effect of excessive HGH.

Again, for a prime aged football player, taking dosages of HGH become a game of diminishing returns. During this time you will be producing HGH at the highest levels in your life, naturally, and putting that much more HGH in your body can/will only lead to medical complications that help with no growth.

It would be like eating on a full stomach. Pointless and will only make you fat.

*As for the blood doping - the NFL tests for EPO and has for years.

However, tests for blood doping are so archaic in nature that they are essentially useless.

Cycling for example cannot actually detest EPO unless found within 12-24 hours after the procedure is done. And this is done by urine, mind you. Cyclists are tested mainly only on physiologic changes. You are given a baseline, and if you test above this baseline you become suspected. It's archaic in nature as they do not give a person-by-person basis. Basically, it's chasing a needle in a haystack.

To show how worthless even Olympic testing is, take a minute to read ..

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/sports/olympics/26doping.html?_r=1&hp

 

[Rampage]

who cares? these guys find out in advance when they're getting tested. it's only the really stupid players that get caught.

 

[casmith07]

Its well documented to increase certain types of cancer cells within the body. Leukemia is a major risk if you are prediposed already.

And some researchers say HGH could lower your risk of cancer.

 

[Doomsday101]

Bottom line no pro sports league or international sports body allows the use of HGH. They expect player and athletes to be able to perform clean if they can't do that then they deserve to be banned from the sport. These athletes know the rules when they get into these different sports

 

[joseephuss]

Bottom line no pro sports league or international sports body allows the use of HGH. They expect player and athletes to be able to perform clean if they can't do that then they deserve to be banned from the sport. These athletes know the rules when they get into these different sports

They know the unwritten rules of don't embarrass our league by being stupid with your performance enhancing drug use.

 

[Doomsday101]

They know the unwritten rules of don't embarrass our league by being stupid with your performance enhancing drug use.

Thing is this is a written rule. If a player or athlete has a question on any substance they intend on taking they can ask question but in the end it is the responsibility of the athlete of which substance they put in their body. If they fail a test well they were warned ahead of time. It would be one thing if this was all secret and the player only found out afterwards but they know what the deal is up front. Taking banned substance is done at their own risk