New JFK Footage released by the Sixth Floor Museum

[Cajuncowboy]

????

Corny? I cannot come up with any other word.

I think he means crazy.

 

[bbgun]

definitely a dark day in our team's history

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[RS12]

definitely a dark day in our team's history

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Romo as Jackie K? That is just wrong. The whole pill box hat thing just doesn't work for him.:laugh2:

 

[FloridaRob]

definitely a dark day in our team's history

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I am so sleep I can barely keep my eyes open but this is just funny. Good job!!!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Mob and wacking

hmmm

 

[arglebargle]

Romo as Jackie K? That is just wrong. The whole pill box hat thing just doesn't work for him.:laugh2:

Yeah! He doesn't have it on backwards!

 

[arglebargle]

The Warren Commission wasn't covering for the mob. The mafia wasn't the only group involved. Oswald was involved in the assassination, but not necessarily the mob ... at least not directly.

There are a lot of layers to it, and yes I think there were elements of the CIA and FBI that were involved in a cover up.

In agreement here. The investigation, both immediate and in the Warren Commission, was so messed up that it would be difficult to come to a decent conclusion.

Dulles, in charge of the Committee investigation, was a CIA mover and shaker who had been fired by Kennedy. 60 Minutes had a show on the murder of a journalist in Greece, where Dulles was brought into investigate, and they reported his first words off the plane as "Who do we pin this on?"

The fear was there that if the assassination was a communist plot, it would lead to war, if exposed. The Asst. AG said on the day after, that the shooting 'would have to be found to be the work of a lone gunman'.

It goes on. One of my dad's officers bought 20 of the Carcanos in the '60's, to give away as party favors. His take on it? 'Great round, crappy rifle'

etc

I am not sure who all was involved in it, but I am sure, in the investigation, that they were covering up things.

Oh, and the mobsters really started ratting one another out only after the passing of the dread RICCO laws.

 

[Doomsday101]

The Warren Commission wasn't covering for the mob. The mafia wasn't the only group involved. Oswald was involved in the assassination, but not necessarily the mob ... at least not directly.

There are a lot of layers to it, and yes I think there were elements of the CIA and FBI that were involved in a cover up.

So now even more people involved yet no one is spilling the beans in 47 years? Sorry I'm not buying it the more layers the more likely someone would talk

 

[Chief]

So now even more people involved yet no one is spilling the beans in 47 years? Sorry I'm not buying it the more layers the more likely someone would talk

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/JFK_Assassination

This is a pretty good site that covers a lot of the inconsistencies and questions regarding the event. If I'm not mistaken, you're retired, so you'll have to time to go through it if you want.

Regarding your question, a lot of people who witnessed the assassination up close or had some knowledge didn't live very long. There have been other reports of people talking (History Channel had a special years ago on a French assassin who was alleged to have been involved). A Dallas policeman on his death bed, said he knew about a cover up, etc.

But perhaps the best explanation is from the above website ....

The old adage "someone would have talked" may not apply to professional killers and sophisticated organizations. The Church Committee, with full Congressional backing and subpoena power, was still unable to get to the bottom of some basic questions about the plots to kill Fidel Castro, including the simple question of whether Presidents Eisenhower or Kennedy actually authorized them. The Committee ran into a system of "plausible deniability," cut-outs, and need-to-know information handling that made that task simply impossible. If it weren't for this unusual Committee, CIA plots to murder Castro might still be regarded as a "conspiracy theory."

 

[bbgun]

So now even more people involved yet no one is spilling the beans in 47 years? Sorry I'm not buying it the more layers the more likely someone would talk

In 46+ years, no one else has come up with a shred of credible evidence of a conspiracy. The WC wasn't perfect, but their conclusion remains rock solid: A guy with a bolt action rifle fires three shots in about 8-9 seconds, hitting his target with two of them, and all at a range of under 90 yards. Read Vincent Bugliosi's massive tome on the assassination and witness him annihilate every fatuous conspiracy theory under the sun. If all you read are buff books, they you're doing yourself a disservice.

 

[Doomsday101]

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/JFK_Assassination

This is a pretty good site that covers a lot of the inconsistencies and questions regarding the event. If I'm not mistaken, you're retired, so you'll have to time to go through it if you want.

Regarding your question, a lot of people who witnessed the assassination up close or had some knowledge didn't live very long. There have been other reports of people talking (History Channel had a special years ago on a French assassin who was alleged to have been involved). A Dallas policeman on his death bed, said he knew about a cover up, etc.

But perhaps the best explanation is from the above website ....

The old adage "someone would have talked" may not apply to professional killers and sophisticated organizations. The Church Committee, with full Congressional backing and subpoena power, was still unable to get to the bottom of some basic questions about the plots to kill Fidel Castro, including the simple question of whether Presidents Eisenhower or Kennedy actually authorized them. The Committee ran into a system of "plausible deniability," cut-outs, and need-to-know information handling that made that task simply impossible. If it weren't for this unusual Committee, CIA plots to murder Castro might still be regarded as a "conspiracy theory."

After 47 year I think we would know more. What we know as fact was Oswald did shoot the President we know the rifle used was his and according to army records yes he was very capable of making the shots his scores were outstanding as a marksman. The rest is speculation I could say some aliens from Mars came down and did it and present about the same amount of facts as the conspiracy theorist give.


Men from mars were upset because Kennedy authorized the Apollo mission and our space junk messed up their space ship thus they had real reasons to pull off this hit.

Let me just say when it comes to conspiracy theories I’m not quick to jump on them I want something more concrete than the things I have seen over the years. The Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy and was proven without a doubt of those involved. Kennedy there are 101 different theories out there.

 

[Chief]

his scores were outstanding as a marksman.

Even Bugliosi admits that Oswald wasn't an expert marksman.

 

[Doomsday101]

Even Bugliosi admits that Oswald wasn't an expert marksman.

I saw a evidence that says he was from the US military which showed his marks on the firing range.

 

[Doomsday101]

Even Bugliosi admits that Oswald wasn't an expert marksman.

Vincent Bugliosi puts forward the hypothesis that Oswald fired the Carcano over open sights, which reduced the time necessary to take the three shots postulated by the Warren Commission. He notes that with the downward slope on Dealey Plaza, President Kennedy's head would have appeared to Oswald to be a stationary target as the vehicle moved down and away at a slow speed. This suggestion also therefore makes any claim that the scope was defective to be meaningless with respect to Oswald's shooting ability.[60]

In 2008, The Discovery Channel produced a documentary that played out several different versions of the Kennedy Assassination on a dummy that had been specifically designed for ballistics tests, recreating the elevation, wind speed and distance at a Californian shooting range. Their forensic analysis, backed by computer models, showed that it was most likely that the shot that killed President Kennedy came from the Texas School Book Depository. They also concluded that a shot from the grassy knoll would have completely obliterated Kennedy's skull, contrary to what is seen in the Zapruder Film. However, in this conclusion they assumed that an assassin on the grassy knoll would have used hollow point ammunition, which is designed to expand after entering the target in order to maximize damage. Thereafter, they attempted a second shot from the grassy knoll position, using a solid round. Analysis revealed that this bullet would have passed through Kennedy's skull from right-to-left, causing an exit wound on the left-hand side of the skull which did not match any of the post-mortem reports. They also suggested that the bullet trajectory from this shot would have resulted in Mrs. Kennedy being struck and likely killed. [61]




Despite his avowed Marxist sympathies, Oswald enlisted in the US Marine Corps
on October 24, 1956, one week after his seventeenth birthday. He idolized his older brother, Robert, and wore Robert's U.S. Marines ring. Joining the Marines may have also been a way to escape from his overbearing mother.

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M1 Garand rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter
. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman
.

 

[kristie]

Vincent Bugliosi puts forward the hypothesis that Oswald fired the Carcano over open sights, which reduced the time necessary to take the three shots postulated by the Warren Commission. He notes that with the downward slope on Dealey Plaza, President Kennedy's head would have appeared to Oswald to be a stationary target as the vehicle moved down and away at a slow speed. This suggestion also therefore makes any claim that the scope was defective to be meaningless with respect to Oswald's shooting ability.[60]

In 2008, The Discovery Channel produced a documentary that played out several different versions of the Kennedy Assassination on a dummy that had been specifically designed for ballistics tests, recreating the elevation, wind speed and distance at a Californian shooting range. Their forensic analysis, backed by computer models, showed that it was most likely that the shot that killed President Kennedy came from the Texas School Book Depository. They also concluded that a shot from the grassy knoll would have completely obliterated Kennedy's skull, contrary to what is seen in the Zapruder Film. However, in this conclusion they assumed that an assassin on the grassy knoll would have used hollow point ammunition, which is designed to expand after entering the target in order to maximize damage. Thereafter, they attempted a second shot from the grassy knoll position, using a solid round. Analysis revealed that this bullet would have passed through Kennedy's skull from right-to-left, causing an exit wound on the left-hand side of the skull which did not match any of the post-mortem reports. They also suggested that the bullet trajectory from this shot would have resulted in Mrs. Kennedy being struck and likely killed. [61]




Despite his avowed Marxist sympathies, Oswald enlisted in the US Marine Corps
on October 24, 1956, one week after his seventeenth birthday. He idolized his older brother, Robert, and wore Robert's U.S. Marines ring. Joining the Marines may have also been a way to escape from his overbearing mother.

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M1 Garand rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter
. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman
.

wow!

 

[CliffnDallas]

When they have footage of him getting back on the plane and waving bye bye. Call me...

 

[daschoo]

When they have footage of him getting back on the plane and waving bye bye. Call me...

he's living on the set of the moon landings with marilyn.

in all seriousness though was information not due to be released to the public a few years ago but was withheld as a matter of national security? could be wrong but i'm sure i remember something about that. if i did see that then it certainly makes you wonder, much like over here there are files regarding princess diana that have been looked away for at least the next hundred years.

 

[CowboyWay]

Interesting sidenote about Oswald.....where I work (about 1-2 miles from the assasination), Lee Harvey Oswald applied for a job there a few months prior to JFK's death. The FBI came and seized the application as evidence, but there was a copy made, and on the back, there was some handwriting from the supervisor that interviewed him, and this is exactly what it said........"Bob Stovall (the supervisor who interviewed him) does not recommend this man because of his communistic tendencies".....

Crazy stuff.

 

[arglebargle]

Oswald was a Marine, who defected to Soviet Russia in the height of the Cold War. He married the daughter of a Russian general. He decides he wants to return to the US. He got money for the plane ticket back from the US consulate (iirc), and when he returned, he was not arrested. He was not debriefed. He just came back free and clear....

Hmn....

 

[jimmy40]

In 46+ years, no one else has come up with a shred of credible evidence of a conspiracy. The WC wasn't perfect, but their conclusion remains rock solid: A guy with a bolt action rifle fires three shots in about 8-9 seconds, hitting his target with two of them, and all at a range of under 90 yards. Read Vincent Bugliosi's massive tome on the assassination and witness him annihilate every fatuous conspiracy theory under the sun. If all you read are buff books, they you're doing yourself a disservice.

the second gunman
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